Those great 1970 V code Chargers

[Ghoste]

Am I the only one who thinks the 70 Six Pack Chargers don't get their share of the love?  I understand the Super bee and Road Runner for 69 with the big scoop and fierce reputation getting glory and I understand that spilling over onto those models for the 1970 model year.  I even get it with the E-bodies and all the sex appeal they offered the performance minded public but it seems like the 70 Charger doesn't get Six Pack recognition the way it should.  For a while there it seemed like people didn't even acknowledge they made any.  Even the 71 Charger gets more attention as a Six Pack car.  There is no better styled car so how is it they get ignored?

[69CoronetRT]

I agree. They do seem to get overlooked.

[charger_fan_4ever]

70 6 pack is my #2 favorite charger. Right behind a 69 C500.


Does not get much sexier than this one  


http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Dodge-Charger-R-T-?cmd=ViewItem&_trkparms=aid%3D111000%26algo%3DREC.CURRENT%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D14%26meid%3D861303581220919937%26pid%3D100015%26prg%3D1017%26rk%3D1%26&_trksid=p5197.m1992&item=120956623627

[moparstuart]

70 6 pack is my #2 favorite charger. Right behind a 69 C500.


Does not get much sexier than this one  


http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Dodge-Charger-R-T-?cmd=ViewItem&_trkparms=aid%3D111000%26algo%3DREC.CURRENT%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D14%26meid%3D861303581220919937%26pid%3D100015%26prg%3D1017%26rk%3D1%26&_trksid=p5197.m1992&item=120956623627

that flipper is just a few miles from my house 

[Ghoste]

So why do you think they get ignored?  They aren't common but they sure aren't impossible to find by any stretch, you would think there would be a little more magazine coverage on them.

[paironines]

I think they get overlooked because of a lack of performance hood like  A12s or even  standard 70 Bees. I for one think they are the ultimate Charger.  Before the internet was popular I remember people discussing if they even made 70 six pack Chargers.  Im actually in the market for a project but havnt been able to put a deal together on one yet.

[Dodge Don]

I like them 

[hemi68charger]

I love 'em....  

My 1st (circa 1985)
and
2nd  (circa 2010)

v-code '70's..........

[bakerhillpins]

It's that big gawd awful large mouth bass of a front clip.      You've heard the old saying about mopeds and "large" women right?  - Hell of a lot of fun riding one but don't want to get busted by your friends doin it.                      I'm thinking that's a good part of it.   Sorry, someone had to say it.    

I would love to have a 6pk engine and someday may since my car isn't #s and it is a "component" swap.

[hemi68charger]

It's that big gawd awful large mouth bass of a front clip.      You've heard the old saying about mopeds and "large" women right?  - Hell of a lot of fun riding one but don't want to get busted by your friends doin it.              

Once you've had a six pack, you never go back..... 

[Ghoste]

Even road tests from back in the day are notoriously absent so it isn't a new phenomenon either.

[bakerhillpins]

Even road tests from back in the day are notoriously absent so it isn't a new phenomenon either.

Didn't the 70 Charger sales suffer greatly due to the competition from the Mopar "pony" cars?  Maybe the buz of the "new" body style had faded and the mags, who are interested in what sells copies, could get that (circulation) and the 6pk in the non-charger cars.

[chargerboy69]

So why do you think they get ignored? 

It is because it has a grill that doubles as a snow plow.    . . . runs away. . . . . . . .

[rick.d]

I almost bought on from the guy i got my current 1970 500 SE from down in El Paso TX.
It was orange, 4 -and speed, still had the Dana, and beat to hell with a hole in the roof from an aftermarket sunroof. I remember it had the longitudal stripe too. I always wondered what happened to it.

[Dodge Don]

The 70 Charger is rarest of the 2nd Gens because many buyers had already bought the 68 or 69 models previously in addition to the introduction of the new for 70 Challengers, 'Cudas, Dusters, Demons plus the Road Runners and GTXs for 70 were improved as well.

The open grille looks toughest which is why 68 and 70 Chargers look tougher than 69s  Silly debates.

[Ghoste]

Do you think Don, it could be that people were tired of the body style by the time of the 70?  Based on what you just mentioned and putting myself in the mind of a new car buyer at the time, maybe it is as simple as that?  The 70 was a tired looking car in the showroom by then and the Six Pack buyers were getting newer cars and that lack of care just continued right on through to now?  That wouldn't explain the continuing six barrel hype for Bees and Runners but maybe the powerplant fell more within that demographic anyway?

[sixpack70]

I love my beater V Code. I even bought a grille for it this week! AMD will know me by my first name when I finally get to dig into the car again.

[FC7 V code]

My favorite Mopar has to be my 70 v-code Charger. It was the first real Mopar muscle I owned(since 1983) and it is arguably one of the quickest Mopars I have ever driven. With a six pack, 4 speed and a 4/10 Dana, the car is a complete beast. I'm inclined to think along the lines of a few other comments on here about the 70 Charger not doing as well in sales due to the introduction of the Challenger/Cuda in 70. I was in junior high at the time but I remember well the feeling among the older guys I hung out with about the Charger being a little like old news by that point. While I will not argue the fact that the Chally/Cuda platform is a great ride, I still feel the 68-70 Chargers are one of the best looking muscle cars of all time. Just my 
Charlie

[TUFCAT]

1970 Chargers are the best looking 2nd generation!

[nascarxx29]

Theres a V code 70 FC7 RT SE 4 speed dana super trac pack car near me.Just sitting

[six-tee-nine]

Theres a V code 70 FC7 RT SE 4 speed dana super trac pack car near me.Just sitting

i'd be all over that one

[hemi68charger]

Theres a V code 70 FC7 RT SE 4 speed dana super trac pack car near me.Just sitting

There's the same thing (except not an SE) here in Houston. JACKED up with like N50-15's on the back and literally, a hot-pink powdered coated 440, including intake, in the thing...............

[FC7 V code]

Theres a V code 70 FC7 RT SE 4 speed dana super trac pack car near me.Just sitting

Sounds seriously like mine....You don't happen to reside in Northern Michigan do you? . The story on mine is we pulled the motor almost a year ago and it was off to a friends(or is it ex friend lol) machine shop for a total rebuild last August 8th. If it had been the number matching motor and if I didn't have a couple other rides I'd have had a melt down by now! Here's a picture of it just before the motor was removed. I bought it on the cheap in 1983...it looked good but was a lifelong Michigan car and was there a mess under that FC7 paint. Worked all of 84-85 on fixing it with NOS panels(no AMD or internet in those days). I still have "rust free" Arizona parts in my garage that were to rusty to use.

[nascarxx29]

My friends cars are back east. Hes has quite a collection from back in the day this is just one of many sitting .I showed the car to Steve Juliano in this picture.My friend wouldnt sell it

[IMG]http://i975.photobucket.com/albums/ae240/Wingcars69/100_3197.jpg[/img

http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,22753.0.html

[hemigeno]

I think they get overlooked because of a lack of performance hood like  A12s or even  standard 70 Bees.

That's been my opinion also, and perhaps some market studies showing that fact back then contributed to Dodge's inclusion of the '71 Charger hood scoop option?? 

The '70 Runner/GTX and '71 B-body scoop is my all-time favorite.

[Ghoste]

Very interesting suggestion.  I wonder how far back the decision was made to include a fresh air option on those cars?  Does it predate the option on the 69 B-bodies?

[nascarxx29]

  The 69 Hurst Madera Charger had a air grabber hood & door scoops.Before the Chrysler line up models

[Back N Black]

Back then ma Mopar was changing body styles every 2 years but they carried the charger over for another year. I think it was to get rid of the parts left over from the 69 daytona. Slap the hood and fenders from the daytona on the 70 and add the big chrome bumper to replace the nose. The 70 did come with more option than 68 and 69, but they also made very basic chargers, no upper door pads,bench seat and the 500 models were nothing more than an emblem. So i think they did take a risk pushing the body style another year and i'm not sure if it payed off.

[Ghoste]

Was there not some other issue about the fuselage style B-bodies not being ready yet?

[Back N Black]

Quote stolen from the internet.

(Burton Bouwkamp wrote: "The Charger sales nosedive in 1970 was caused by the introduction of the Challenger. The Dodge merchandising focus on the new Challenger reduced the marketing and merchandising efforts on the 1970 Charger.")

[Dodge Don]

My understanding was the 70 was already in development and the 69 Daytona piggybacked on that development using the upcoming 70 front clip. I think the wrap-around bumper was already part of the plan and was continued on the 3rd gen models.

[Ghoste]

Thats what I thought too.  The Daytona, although planned, was rushed ahead and made a 69 model instead of a 70?

[hemigeno]

The Daytona, although planned, was rushed ahead and made a 69 model instead of a 70?

In a whole lot of factory documentation, the Daytona was actually referred to as the "F-Series Race Car" - with the '69 Charger 500 referenced as the "E-Series Race Car".  Pushing the Daytona out as a '69 model year probably had as much to do with the fact that Creative Industries would have NEVER been able to complete the conversions between the time the '70 Charger actually went into production and the inaugural Talladega NASCAR race held on September 14th.  They couldn't have built 500 pre-production 70 Chargers any easier than they could retrofit '70 Charger front sheet metal to a '69 Charger chassis.

[Ghoste]

So basically the race car program can almost be looked on as a separate entity that has little to do with the production cars, the models they emulate are coincidence?

[jobbless]

When I was younger.. 16-17 I didn't believe they made them.. I know where there is a orange 70 R/T 6PACK 4 SPEED PISTOL GRIP CAR... I have known the guy since I was 15. I always tried to buy it. And gave him a hard time about it sitting out. At least he has it in the garage now. He also has 2 68s and a 66 hemi satellite..
He is a good guy.. just not interested in selling anything..  he always gave me hell for not hooking up my kick down linkage.. I always had it wired about 3/4 of the way back...

[hemigeno]

So basically the race car program can almost be looked on as a separate entity that has little to do with the production cars, the models they emulate are coincidence?

Well, there was a connection between production models and racecars (unlike today's version of NASCAR), but the Aero program was all about "what will it take for us to go faster via reduced drag rather than engine horsepower?".  That held true for the C500, Daytona and to some degree the Superbird programs - with the latter being somewhat hamstrung by the fact that Plymouth's styling division had a say in how the car was designed/built.

It is true, however, that apart from the front clip, no one could ever have told a '68 Charger racecar from a '69 Charger or from a '70 Charger.  There was zero connection to the street models any deeper than the exterior skin.  Nichels Engineering did make advances in their fabrication means & methods during that same timeperiod, so there are certain chassis that can be dated or identified as having been built during one particular model year or another -- but the race chassis themselves were never considered to be any particular model year's corporate offerings.  Most cars out on the track were re-skinned hand-me-downs from previous years, except for the well-funded factory teams and a few independents with deep pockets.

I'm not sure if I'm answering the question you asked or just babbling away here, so feel free to shut me up anytime...

[Ghoste]

Lol, it's quite a tangent from the original question but its an intersting one all the same so babble away.

[nascarxx29]

This letter mentions the daytona 500 as a 70 model

http://www.google.com/imgres?q=charger+daytona+classified&start=266&um=1&hl=en&biw=1422&bih=720&tbm=isch&tbnid=5Ysly-oFHoI1xM:&imgrefurl=http://www.talladegaspoilerregistry.com/2012/03/05/ford-vs-dodge-advertisements/&docid=QGkBMBDBnHjM4M&imgurl=http://www.talladegaspoilerregistry.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/Dodge-Daytona-752x1024.jpg&w=752&h=1024&ei=fOcNUO6tJKfD6gGt0IBw&zoom=1&iact=hc&vpx=857&vpy=161&dur=8743&hovh=262&hovw=192&tx=84&ty=150&sig=103379887325109179797&page=14&tbnh=167&tbnw=105&ndsp=22&ved=1t:429,r:3,s:266,i:231

[DAY CLONA]

70 Chargers are the best of the 2nd gens...but the 70 Daytona's are the epitome of the Charger Legacy.

70 V code Daytona

Mike

[DAY CLONA]

....

[DAY CLONA]

';';'

[doctor4766]

70 Chargers are the best of the 2nd gens...but the 70 Daytona's are the epitome of the Charger Legacy.

70 V code Daytona

Mike

Forgive my ignorance, but is that a '70 Daytona without a factory flush rear window or a clone of some description?

[chargerdemetrios]

I think that the 1970 Charger is the ULTIMATE 2nd generation charger.

I used to be a fan of the almighty 1969 Charger, but not so much anymore.  I think that the 1970 Charger is the ULTIMATE second gen Charger.

With the 1970 model, you get better seats, better looking rear-end with the chrome trim wrapping around the tail lights on the non-base models (which was copied on the 2012 Chargers rear end), available high-impact colors, and lastly the 1970 is the ONLY year with the pistol grip hurst shifter (which looks incredible if ordered with the floor console).

I actually like the large-mouth grill on the 1970.  I think the split grill on the 1969 looks tired over time.

Just my $.02.

I am a cuda owner who would love to own a 70 Charger 500 4-speed, but cannot find an affordable one!

[b5blue]

Without intending to V code is kinda what I've ended up building my 70 to! 440 six pack w HP exh. manifolds, 145K TC, 8 3/4-3.23 axle, HD bars and springs (Even the little extra steel plates on the LCA bump stop pads.) and soon a conversion to front disk brakes. 

[Mytur Binsdirti]

I love 'em....  

My 1st (circa 1985)

In the late 70's, there was a guy in my town (in MA) who had a white 4 speed 6-pack Charger with no vinyl & I always thought that it was a slick color for that car.   

[nascarxx29]

I got a unclaimed buildsheet for a white V code charger

[nascarxx29]

[charger_fan_4ever]

I don't think it was left over tona parts for the 70's as if thats the case they would have used the 69 dash and sterring column and a lot of other 69 parts and not one off 70 only charger parts.

[6pkrtse]

My 70' gets plenty of attention every where I go even without any sixpack scoops.

[nascarxx29]

    Those Longitudinal pin stripes indicate your car as six pack 

[Ghoste]

I thought you could get those on any of the 70's?

[70 Charger RT]

Those Longitudinal pin stripes indicate your car as six pack 

NOT to cause a stir but...
My 70 RT came with Longitudinal stripes (rare blue) and was a U code 440.  I still have the build sheet.

[Vainglory, Esq.]

I thought you could get those on any of the 70's?

R/Ts.

[Dodge Don]

Longitudinal stripes were standard on 70 R/Ts however you could choose the following options....stripe delete or go for the bumblebee stripe. The longitudinal stripes have no relationship to 6 packs specifically.

[nascarxx29]

The 2 known pack pack cars in my town had them .Though it was six pack designation

[Dodge Don]

Nope

[nascarxx29]

My unclaimed V code 70 Charger buildsheet is V68.
Is there any known percentage of how many V code cars got the rump stripe or the pinstripe

[FC7 V code]

According to the 1970 Charger registry  49.1% of Charger RT's came with the Longitudinal stripes, 20.1% were stripe delete and 30.6% had the bumblebee stripe. That comes up to a little less than 100% which no doubt leaves a few that are unaccounted for or unknown. I don't have a clue if that is just RT's in the registry or if it includes all RT's ever made. By the size of the numbers in the registry option codes list, it would appear to cover all RT's from 70. I would imagine you could apply those numbers to V-codes and come up with a fairly accurate idea as to how many of each variations were produced, at least in the area of +/-10% or so. The one I have has the bumblebee. A friend has one that is coded for the Longitudinal stripes. Oddly enough the bumblebee is the one I best remember from the 70's even though the registry numbers point to a significantly higher percentage of cars with the Longitudinal stripes. I don't recall ever seeing a stripe delete "back in the day" even though it looks like they weren't all that uncommon. I would guess that the V21 or V24 performance hood treatment probably would be really a rare option on a V-code as it looks to have been very uncommon on any RT.

[Ghoste]

Interesting statistics no matter where they were culled from.

[Dodge Don]

Interesting statistics no matter where they were culled from.

They are from Chrysler's own internal SG-30 Sales Reports. This is the same info Galen "sells" to you.

[Ghoste]

Are those reports available somewhere outside of old issues of Wards?

[Dodge Don]

Not sure. All I can say is there is someone in Canada that has an actual copy and I've seen the 70 Charger portion and it validates the data Galen used to use in creating and selling option data packs for specific models/years. Doesn't look like he sells these anymore.

[Ghoste]

Not openly I can't imagine anyway.  Don't want the market getting saturated with knowledge after all.

[nascarxx29]

http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php?topic=75026.0

[TUFCAT]

I'm a big fan of the longitudinal pinstripng on 1970 Charger R/T's.

[nascarxx29]

Check off another longitudal stripe car.Friend recently got in the 70 Charger registry

plum Crazy   black top  black  leather interior  SE  4 Speed  410 Dana  Track  pack  white  longitudal stripe  8 track  bucket seats  hood pins   both  broadcast  sheets.

[6pkrtse]

My Red R/T S.E. is also an original Longitudal stripe car. (B3 blue paint with Blue long stripe). Previous owner painted it red & painted the rump stripe on it before I ever owned it.

[nascarxx29]

XS29VOG180849 FC7 RT SE 4 speed 6 pack sunroof
http://wwnboa.org/70csed.htm