5.0 Charger

[SmashingPunkFan]

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[Bobs69]

Say 5.0 L ?

These are tough cars i'm on my 3rd since 2000.

Today did a foot to the floor 1 to 2 power shift on drag radials. It grabbed so hard in second the glove box door flew open and my wallet flew into the back seat barely missing the wife lol. 2000 miles on the oil change hasn't taken a drop and still looks like new oil.







With ~270rwhp/330ftlbs at the tire it spins this 2950lbs coupe around with ease, but in a 4000lbs charger you need more torque. I couldn't imagine a stock 5.0L in a 3.23 geared 4000lbs tank lol

So you would need a 5L with aftermarket heads/cam/intake for starters. Used $2500 for an efi.

I will now be the devils advocate if doing a engine swap for efi why not a LS1 ?

The revolutionary pushrod small block. I'm not a big gm fan but those LS1's are baddd little motors.
Aluminum heads from the factory, 6 bolt mains, 15 deg valves.

I'm actually starting to look for one of those cars.  In convertible form.  I'd like leather seats with no trace of red anywhere in the interior.

As for putting one of those engines in my Charger, I'd never do it.  But I'll watch and see how it works out here.

[440]

A CHP interceptor would be a good fox body to have, probably quite rare these days though. Another little known 5.0 HO screamer was the Lincoln Mark VII LSC, but they never came in manual since you want a 5 speed.

I always wanted to swap an HO motor into my 85 Elan T bird but never did. Speaking of which there doesn't seem to be many of them left.

[SmashingPunkFan]

A CHP interceptor would be a good fox body to have, probably quite rare these days though. Another little known 5.0 HO screamer was the Lincoln Mark VII LSC, but they never came in manual since you want a 5 speed.

I always wanted to swap an HO motor into my 85 Elan T bird but never did. Speaking of which there doesn't seem to be many of them left.

HO motor?
or 85 elan?

[NS 68 R/T]

Cheap Heap Every Valve Rattles Oil Leaks Every Time

GMC= Gotta Mechanic Comin'

I thought GMC stood for Gay Man's Chevy.

[Cooter]

 
HO motor?
or 85 elan?

"HO" High Output....usually, a roller cammed 302 5.0 Liter engine. SOME 351 Windsor engines came through in Flat Tappet as well as Roller cammed, but they had the "HO" Cam as the only thing that made the 5.0 "HO" and "HO" WAS the 351 Marine camshaft in roller and 351 firing order.

[SmashingPunkFan]

The one I already have is a 95 HO 5.0, pretty neat

[Cooter]

The one I already have is a 95 HO 5.0, pretty neat

OOH...'94-95 Last year for the 5.0...Hypereutectic pistons, not good on the spray/blower/turbo. Plus, had a "Thunderbird" upper intake with a 45* throttle body. Much better off getting some parts from an Exploder with it's "GT-40" style lower/upper/heads combo. 

[JB400]

5.0??  not enough cubic inches.

Awesome, someones actually answering my question rather than insult me.

Ok, what makes you feel that way? is a charger beyond the strength of that engine? in your opinion?

have you driven a big block charger?  if you aint into gas mileage, go big block.  and I am not a purest at all, my charger is going to piss off somebody when i get it done, but why not go with 318 instead of a ford?  if you have to get away from mopar parts(which are rather expensive, you can build a chevy 350 to make crazy HP for less than a 5.0

5.0??  not enough cubic inches.

Awesome, someones actually answering my question rather than insult me.

Ok, what makes you feel that way? is a charger beyond the strength of that engine? in your opinion?

have you driven a big block charger?  if you aint into gas mileage, go big block.  and I am not a purest at all, my charger is going to piss off somebody when i get it done, but why not go with 318 instead of a ford?  if you have to get away from mopar parts(which are rather expensive, you can build a chevy 350 to make crazy HP for less than a 5.0

[JB400]

For everyone that hasn't messaged the guy, the original 440 became a boat anchor according to his macinist and just happens to have a 5.0 laying around.  Can't blame him for trying to save a buck.  While the initial costs might be cheaper, it'll cost more in the end, both in time and money.

[SmashingPunkFan]

For everyone that hasn't messaged the guy, the original 318 became a boat anchor according to his macinist and just happens to have a 5.0 laying around.  Can't blame him for trying to save a buck.  While the initial costs might be cheaper, it'll cost more in the end, both in time and money.

Almost, it was a 440. I was going BB.
 

EDIT: Im sorry Stroker400 Wedge if I said 318, maybe I typed wrong. 440 it was

[Ghoste]

That would be the same machinist who doesn't like Mopar engines?

[JB400]

That would be the same machinist who doesn't like Mopar engines?

He messaged me.  Yeah, same machinist

[440]

Speaking of small block Fords roughly how much horsepower can you reasonably expect to get out of one with iron heads without going crazy, 300? I assume a 347 - 408 stroker is the easiest way.

What could you get for $3000 - $3500?

[Cooter]

Speaking of small block Fords roughly how much horsepower can you reasonably expect to get out of one with iron heads without going crazy, 300? I assume a 347 - 408 stroker is the easiest way.

What could you get for $3000 - $3500?

I made over 650 HP on N20 with a "Junk" 306 (300 Shot). However, how LONG it will do it is another matter.
I've seen blown 393 Winsdors make over 500 at the wheels for extended periods, but even they blow eventually.

Age old addage...Bigger engine making 600 HP and smaller engine making 600 HP, the smaller engines won't live as long.

[SmashingPunkFan]

Speaking of small block Fords roughly how much horsepower can you reasonably expect to get out of one with iron heads without going crazy, 300? I assume a 347 - 408 stroker is the easiest way.

What could you get for $3000 - $3500?

I made over 650 HP on N20 with a "Junk" 306 (300 Shot). However, how LONG it will do it is another matter.
I've seen blown 393 Winsdors make over 500 at the wheels for extended periods, but even they blow eventually.

Age old addage...Bigger engine making 600 HP and smaller engine making 600 HP, the smaller engines won't live as long.

What about a 3, maybe 400 hp build on that block?

[JB400]

I'm no ferd guy,  but a basic set of headers and a larger throttle body and intake will get you into the 300 range. Cam and head work will get you close to the 400hp range.  440 will get you around 400 hp factory if it's built to 67-71 specs.  Set of headers and a better intake and carb will get you around 430hp.  Throw in a cam and some head work,  450 approx.  These are only approximate.  It really depends on who does your work.  I strongly suggest you find someone that SPECIALIZES in building mopars to do your engine work, even if he's a couple hours away and costs a little more.

[Brass]

Proven combo's.  Mopar engines:

http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/board,30.0.html

[charger_fan_4ever]

I'm no ferd guy,  but a basic set of headers and a larger throttle body and intake will get you into the 300 range. Cam and head work will get you close to the 400hp range.  440 will get you around 400 hp factory if it's built to 67-71 specs.  Set of headers and a better intake and carb will get you around 430hp.  Throw in a cam and some head work,  450 approx.  These are only approximate.  It really depends on who does your work.  I strongly suggest you find someone that SPECIALIZES in building mopars to do your engine work, even if he's a couple hours away and costs a little more.

Been tinkering on these 5L's since 2000.

Stock 225hp5L made about 180-185rwhp

Long tube headers, 2.5 exhaust, larger say explorer intake and 65mm TB, cold air intake gets you about 220 rwhp on a good day. The stock e7 heads are the choke point.

Most 5L with aftermarket aluminum heads/intake/cam with all the supporting stuff(TB,MAF meter,injectors) are in the 270-300 Rwhp range with a stock compression shortblock.(325-350fwhp) Over the 300rwhp requires a custom cam with good valve train.

Most of the 11 second N/A coupes are only putting down ~300rwhp and usually are 3000lbs with driver or lighter.
Makes me laugh when i hear i have 500hp and the car runs 12's.

[JB400]

Thanks for the info.  But I was looking at how much at the crank.

[charger_fan_4ever]

No prob.

400 hp at the crank with  stock compression,internals is no easy chore. Definitely few and far between. At that hp level with a stock 3 inch stroke and 4 inch bore they are 11:1 compression, lightweight internals and spin 7000+rpm.

For the cost involved in touching the shortblock a 347 stroker is more cost effective. At street compression levels with a good flowing set of heads 450+hp at the crank is relatively easy and not too costly.

new 347 shortblock $2500

http://www.fordstrokers.com/fordstrokers-liberator-short-blocks/

a set of used victor jr or afr 205's or trickflow twisted wedge 190's, vic jr carb, 1 3/4 longtubes, 3 inch exhaust, ~800 4150 style carb, solid roller cam would make 500hp. With used parts you could piece it together for $5000.

Once beyond 500 hp at the crank the roller block is a tickin time bomb.

[440]

The 400M which comes from the same engine family of 302/351 isn't a bad motor once you get around the oiling issues. Big block performance in a small package which should push a Charger around pretty good. In saying that I don't have any oiling mods on mine that I know of and never had any issues. It throws a lifted full size 4x4 F150 with 33's around with aggression, and has also been rock solid reliable.

Hell, why not go all out and pick up a cheap 460 from the wreckers and build a 514ci stroker, probably won't cost much more than building a hot 302.

[Ghoste]

Of course, if you are going to go out and find a Ford engine and start from scratch, why not just stay with a Mopar one and make as much power without the headache of creating a Frankenstein?

[Cooter]

Most of the 11 second N/A coupes are only putting down ~300rwhp and usually are 3000lbs with driver or lighter.
Makes me laugh when i hear i have 500hp and the car runs 12's.

Why? We got a supposed 600 HP Charger right here that run mid 13's...

Only problem I've found round here with owning a Fox body Mustang is your automatically dumped in the douche category with the Viper/Vette/Porche/etc. guys, for whatever reason. I guess it's cause SO MANY try the "Damn, I can't go fast with my "Cool" car, so I revort back to the old stand by as anybody can fly with a Fox body" thinking...No real good time to own the cars mentiojned as when your young enough to buy them new, your just a rich douchebag..Yet, middle aged guys are consisdered to be going through a mid life crisis..And the Perverbial "Old guy" can't even climb in/out of it...

[charger_fan_4ever]

Most of the 11 second N/A coupes are only putting down ~300rwhp and usually are 3000lbs with driver or lighter.
Makes me laugh when i hear i have 500hp and the car runs 12's.

Why? We got a supposed 600 HP Charger right here that run mid 13's...

I laugh cause dyno's can "lie"but there is no lieing in the trap speed of a 1/4 mile pass. Sure if there is no traction the ET will be crappy, but MPH at the big end vs curb weight don't lie on the HP figure getting to the wheels.
This is why i laugh when i hear i have 500hp in a 3200lbs car and it traps only 110-115mph.

Sometimes it is the driver that has no clue how to get the car down the track ie not shifting in the right rpm ect. Most times its just the guy runnin the dyno "made" you a good number to make you feel good.

If its an automatic stab and go there is no lieing. Unless its a 4000-7000 rpm cam and has a stock stall convertor.