F.A.S.T 906 head challenge

[heyoldguy]

For a qualified big block F.A.S.T. competitor that thinks they could use a better head, I will hand deliver a pair of 906 heads to be tested on your engine. On the track or the dyno, run your engine, pull the heads and I will place a set of 906 heads on your engine. Then you bolt everything back down and run the engine again, we'll see if there is any improvement.

I don't have any maximum effort heads ready at this time but these heads flow, 292 cfm @ .500", 323 cfm @ .600" and 332 cfm @ .700".

Box stock Edelbrock Victors on our bench flow, 277 cfm @ .500", 305 cfm @ .600" and 324 cfm @ .700".

There will be no flow testing or pictures taken of the heads. We will put them back in the boxes and go home. Unless you think they're worth keeping.

[oldschool]

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[c00nhunterjoe]

I don't know what this is in regards to but those are some impressive numbers for a "stock" head!

[heyoldguy]

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It's alright, I understand. Maybe it is being arrogant. Maybe it is confidance in what we know. It is anyway, worth doing some soul searching.

[Cooter]

 

[mauve66]

those FAST guys are always looking for something extra, its amazing what they can do with a stock looking engine and suspension and here we are trying to get 700HP just to get into the 11's

[Cooter]

those FAST guys are always looking for something extra, its amazing what they can do with a stock looking engine and suspension and here we are trying to get 700HP just to get into the 11's

Not hard to do when you have $100K cars that "Appear" to be stock...LOADS of money put in 'em to be able to say these few words.

"Hey guy, high 10's....Not too bad for a "Stock" 426 Hemi in a Roadrunner huh?"

All Bullsh*t, fake out games.

[c00nhunterjoe]

10's? I like the ones that look stock, sound like a possible 12 second car, but then rip the back bumper off because of the wheelie they just pulled and bust off a 9 second pass. 

[mauve66]

i'm just talking about the average middle of the pack, not the front runners

those FAST guys are always looking for something extra, its amazing what they can do with a stock looking engine and suspension and here we are trying to get 700HP just to get into the 11's

Not hard to do when you have $100K cars that "Appear" to be stock...LOADS of money put in 'em to be able to say these few words.

"Hey guy, high 10's....Not too bad for a "Stock" 426 Hemi in a Roadrunner huh?"

All Bullsh*t, fake out games.

i don't know about 100K, sure most of them make their cars look show worthy, but its not a requirement of the race, its the testing and understanding they go through using 50 yr old components in the suspension to harness the 20K motor that amaze me, and they still look stock and run faster than us (the rest of us regular people that is)

[Ghoste]

I have no idea what they have in their cars financially but I sure do love watching them run.  No question there is serious money invested in some but there is also a tremendous amount of attention being paid to every single detail on those cars no matter how insignificant iit may seem to the rest of us.

[FLG]

Cooter is exactly right, for example there "stock" exhaust manifolds are internally honed out to as thin as they can get em.

Im not knocking em it takes a lot to get a car into the 9-10's, but you need some DEEP pockets to play their game and its nothing more than the person with the deepest pockets who comes out on top...and personally, that aint no fun.

Im sure there are some guys with less money, and they just do it for the fun...and i bet you those are the guys that drive there car...dosnt sit on some trailer and get towed around race to race or show to show and when its all over its put back in the garage. Again im not knocking em, to each his/her own but when you have 100k to spend on your car....im not impressed when you turn up a 9-10. But when the guy from the sticks shows up in his beat up LeBaron painted multiple colors of primer, that him and his buddy bubba threw together over a weekend and some beers with no cash, using junk yard parts, and throws up a 10 second run...thats what makes me happy.

[Ghoste]

It is supposed to be "factory appearing".  There was a time when the independent and Bubba could field a winning car in Pro Stock or even a fuel car.  Now you can't even purchase a Top Fuel car and run it for a weekend without a sponsor.  Heck even Stock Eliminator costs big bucks.  These days, abut the only home for the LeBaron with Buba's engine is bracket racing.

[Cooter]

This is why round these parts, we don't give the "Big money" cars any props as it takes NO skill to just keep throwing huge money at a car until it flies.

However, those couple guys next to that 1970 Roadrunner with the iron headed 440 and lakewood traction bars, tunnel ram, 4-speed, and rust holes, running deep in the 11's is where it's at for me. I don't know bout you guys, but I can't stand to watch rich people play at the local track. It serves as only a constant reminder of what I will never have. Therefore, I just prefer to surround myself with like minded people....Read...Poor.

[Ghoste]

I beg to differ Cooter, whatever money is being spent on some the top tier racing, there is a TREMENDOUS amount of skill also involved.  I get envious too but I try not to let it bother me.

[Cooter]

I beg to differ Cooter, whatever money is being spent on some the top tier racing, there is a TREMENDOUS amount of skill also involved.  I get envious too but I try not to let it bother me.

Musta lost something in translation on this one too. Throwing huge money at a race/street car means all YOU did was throw money at it so someone else (who's the one to talk to), actually has the skill...

Sorta like hearing this at cruise night. "Hey man, your car? "yes". "What all did you do to it?" "Filled it up full of gas and Armour All'd the tires"..NOTHING in common with that type for me. If NASCAR didn't have all those rules about cars being EXACTLY alike, you'd have the huge money ruining the chances for anybody to just walk up with their best effort car and take the prize. Now, it seems you don't have an 800 C.I. engine and a multi-million $ sponsor, you don't stand a chance. What happened to the days of the average guy out on the track taking the prize with some home built junk? Big money is what happened.

Alot of people do not like my idea of keeping the Cubic Dollars out of Drag racing and getting back to who's got the skills. I prefer to have a running tally of money spent and a limit. Something like $10-20K in WHOLE CAR. Let's see how many (Purchase price included), can run deep in the 9's without throwing huge money at it then.

There's an article I recently read in Mopar Muscle mag about Mike Daurity(However it's spelled) that used to run that stupid KOS crap. Has a 1969 Dodge Super Bee running in the 9's. At the end of the article, tells how Dude can duplicate what he has done with the SB for the low sum of $30K....

The car looked the part being all black primer and orange wheel'd, rat rodded, roach of an engine, dirty, no interior, etc. But, yet it takes $30K to run a roach of a car in the 9's. Hmmmm, I guess I musta had some busted ROACH of a Dart running high 10's then for under $15K.

[Ghoste]

Ah,I  see what you mean.

[Budnicks]

For a qualified big block F.A.S.T. competitor that thinks they could use a better head, I will hand deliver a pair of 906 heads to be tested on your engine. On the track or the dyno, run your engine, pull the heads and I will place a set of 906 heads on your engine. Then you bolt everything back down and run the engine again, we'll see if there is any improvement.

I don't have any maximum effort heads ready at this time but these heads flow, 292 cfm @ .500", 323 cfm @ .600" and 332 cfm @ .700".

Box stock Edelbrock Victors on our bench flow, 277 cfm @ .500", 305 cfm @ .600" and 324 cfm @ .700".

There will be no flow testing or pictures taken of the heads. We will put them back in the boxes and go home. Unless you think they're worth keeping.

I'm sure one of the big time wedge guys, in the F.A.S.T. series, where all the engine has to appear stock {on the outside}, have a stock sounding idle {loosely interpreted}, have factory cast iron exhaust {internally ported to the moon}, running on skinny street tires {stock dimensions, with sticky rubber compounds, stock appearing} among other rules... They would love to have them 906 castings, as long as they could keep them proprietary & not show them or photograph them or tell every Tom Dick & Harry or flow bench them etc.... great flow #'s there HeyOldGuy  very impressive 

[Budnicks]

I don't know what this is in regards to but those are some impressive numbers for a "stock" head!

F.A.S.T. is a drag racing series, mostly back east & in the northeast, but also in some other places too, that has some very strict rules of "Appearing Stock", thru-out their rules built in, with extensive internal modification, camshaft, stroker engines, balancing, lightening, etc. allowed, kind of an ubber S/S on steriods without all the aftermarket externals, fat tires headers etc..... Those are damn impressive #'s for 906 Iron casting, especially if they are done without any noticeable welding... Like the Mancini Racing 69.5 RR 4406bbl A12 cover car below, I think it was the record holder at one time in the high 9's (correction it actually runs in the 10's, the RR I was thinking of is a 68 Hemi car that is in the 9's)... Factory Appearing Stock Tire

[firefighter3931]

Like the Mancini Racing 69.5 RR 4406bbl A12 cover car below, it was the record holder at one time in the 9's... Factory Appearing Stock Tire

No A-12 car has been close to a 9 second pass. Dudek's HEMI Roadrunner dipped into the high 9's on one or two occassions but that isn't typical. 

A 906 Head can be ported to flow the "big number" which will translate into big horsepower, but how long will the structural integrity of the casting remain intact ? Therein lies the problem ; durability becomes a huge issue. Nobody wants to dump 5k into a set of heads that might last 10 or 15 passes....then crack. 

Dwayne @ Porter Racing has done several sets for the F.A.S.T. guys and they are not a full-on max effort port job with Big flow numbers. Typically these heads flow in the high 280cfm range with emphisas on durability/reliability balanced with performance. The cam profile plays a huge part and Dwayne has several propritary custom grinds. Years of experimenting and countless hours in the dyno cell account for the oustanding performance of these impressive machines. 


Ron

[Budnicks]

Like the Mancini Racing 69.5 RR 4406bbl A12 cover car below, it was the record holder at one time in the 9's... Factory Appearing Stock Tire

No A-12 car has been close to a 9 second pass. Dudek's HEMI Roadrunner dipped into the high 9's on one or two occassions but that isn't typical.  

A 906 Head can be ported to flow the "big number" which will translate into big horsepower, but how long will the structural integrity of the casting remain intact ? Therein lies the problem ; durability becomes a huge issue. Nobody wants to dump 5k into a set of heads that might last 10 or 15 passes....then crack.  

Dwayne @ Porter Racing has done several sets for the F.A.S.T. guys and they are not a full-on max effort port job with Big flow numbers. Typically these heads flow in the high 280cfm range with emphisas on durability/reliability balanced with performance. The cam profile plays a huge part and Dwayne has several propritary custom grinds. Years of experimenting and countless hours in the dyno cell account for the oustanding performance of these impressive machines.  


Ron

My bad, I had the wrong car posted, oh well... but the other car is in the other post it's a 68 RR Black Hemi car... Here is a couple more the record holder is an ugly but very f.a.s.t. Mustang actually...

[Budnicks]

Jim & Cody LaRoy from Challis Idaho has some very impressive Flow #'s on their heads, without any durability issues, that I am aware of anyway, they aren't the big name guys, probably aren't even very well know by many people, but they sure know how to port heads & get the most out of them, Iron or Aluminum, they also have run a bunch of Mopar Muscle Engine Challenges too, done pretty well by my recollection, especially for the lack of funds they are dealt/handed or maintaining with-in the rules...

[cdr]

Like the Mancini Racing 69.5 RR 4406bbl A12 cover car below, it was the record holder at one time in the 9's... Factory Appearing Stock Tire

No A-12 car has been close to a 9 second pass. Dudek's HEMI Roadrunner dipped into the high 9's on one or two occassions but that isn't typical. 

A 906 Head can be ported to flow the "big number" which will translate into big horsepower, but how long will the structural integrity of the casting remain intact ? Therein lies the problem ; durability becomes a huge issue. Nobody wants to dump 5k into a set of heads that might last 10 or 15 passes....then crack. 

Dwayne @ Porter Racing has done several sets for the F.A.S.T. guys and they are not a full-on max effort port job with Big flow numbers. Typically these heads flow in the high 280cfm range with emphisas on durability/reliability balanced with performance. The cam profile plays a huge part and Dwayne has several propritary custom grinds. Years of experimenting and countless hours in the dyno cell account for the oustanding performance of these impressive machines. 


Ron

[Ghoste]

Is that Mustang still running in FAST?  I thought Ihad heard something about him finally going beyond the Factory Appearing part and entering the next phase with it?

[Budnicks]

Is that Mustang still running in FAST?  I thought Ihad heard something about him finally going beyond the Factory Appearing part and entering the next phase with it?

I don't know, it was from the F.A.S.T. websites, home page...

[c00nhunterjoe]

I know what the FAST series is, I wasn't sureif this post was directed at anyone in particular or not. I would love to have a set of high flowing, reliable iron heads.