1969 daytona low mileage recorded cars & Sold to state totals

[nascarxx29]

Ive heard about this one in WI of Elmer D from years of being in my club suppose to have close to original low 500 miles on it on this 440 daytona.Then I found this quote on the other mopar board((The Elmer D original owner, original 309 mile Daytona was delivered to the dealer in F6 green w/white wing, strange thing is that the fender tag says it's X9 black w/red wing!)) .Then I have a Pa car of Dennis S thats a 440 1700 mile car and being used as reference in a car magazine.Tim S of PA old 440 daytona now Bob M in Ohio was a MCG low mileage feature car 1700 miles or some.Followed by the Otis Chandler Brown 4 speed hemi daytona with 5000 miles on it .Formerly owned by Pa Don K then to Greg J to Otis Chandler hands .Restored by Roger Gibson.Now Tim W car of ALThen the Va dealership Dressler motors 6000 mile 440 daytona was also a magazine reference story car feature.Then Larry B of IN his old 440 dealer installed 6 pack daytona now in MI of Browney M has 6700 at the time it was sold and later repainted and restored back to R4 red.Then NJ Chris S MCG featured daytona had 17'000 miles on a Vance Cummings of Mi restored 440 daytona .About the same miles for PA Barry Kanicks daytona 17'000 440 daytona.My 440 daytona has 22.000 on it.The NY B5 blue MCG featured car of B Cards had 23'000 miles on it.Followed by a Y2 440 daytona from NY with 22'000 Same goes for another NJ car of Joe G all chromed 440 to a 426 22'000 miles or so .Then a B5 Newport RI 440 car I think has  11'000 miles on it as described here on the board in the daytona with vinyl top post.These are recorded in my notes over the years and shows .Ive been to so the may have changed hands and mileages may have varied since I recorded them last So if you can furnish anymore or update with a new one.So I have one 5000 mile hemi daytona and the rest are 440-s. The other daytona related compilage. I did a while ago was daytona per state totals
69 Daytona list per state totals going from the current standing list number to date #501 cars from pages supplied in my club newsletter that shows the new car shipments for 69 daytonas and locations shipped to Including serial numbers and dealer number and dealer location. Also shows what states did and did not recieve a 69 daytona .Starting with the 440s AL-11 AZ-5 AR-2 CANADA 45 CA-38 CO-12 CON-2 DE-1 FL-16 GA-16 HAWAII-2 ID-1 IL-22 IN-21 IA-3 KAN-7 KEN-5 LOU-7 ME-1 MD-2 MASS-5 MI-26 MINN-3 MISS-1 MO-21 MONT-1 NEB-4 NV-2 NH-2 NJ-6 NY-26 NC-13 NDKT-1 SDKT-4.OH-25 OK-9 ORE-7 PA-23 RI-3 SC-4 TN-5 TX-20 UT-1 VT-1 VA-13 WA ST-7 WA-DC-2 W VA-1 WI-9-The 426 states AZ-1 CANADA-5 CA-7 CO-3 GA-1 IL-1 IN-1 KAN-1 MD-1 MI-2 MO-1 NY-1 NC-1 OH-3 PA-1 SC-1 TX-3 WVA-1 WI-1 .Total #501 465- 440 Hemi-36 for the 47 states 1 line was unreadable unknown state. 2 cars were 440 dodge exec cars with no dealer location in house cars and figured in with the MI total.Only #3 states didnt recieve 69 Daytona on this current list Alaska-New Mexico-Wyoming

[3--Daytona]

nascarxx29:::Very interesting post,keep on keeping those record's.
         Just a quick note,, my black car(xx29L9B414652) has 15000 miles on it,, most of them a quarter mile at a time. Keep up the good work.
                                                                              3--daytona

[nascarxx29]

Thanks for your reply and adding your car to my compiled list

[WINGMAN]

  My Daytona XX29L9B409032 has 35Kon the clock, 440 Auto, white wing, black guts a Oklahoma car new.  JR.

[nascarxx29]

Thanks again wingman for adding your car .Do you have the daytona shipment info.That lists what number car you are and name of selling dealer .If not I can look it it up and Pm that info.Going by this old compilage in the wingcar newsletter yours is one of 342 440 daytonas.I havent seen a update on this following info .
[Auto 342] [4 speed 161] [Auto 440-4 375 HP 294] [4 Speed 440-4 375 HP 139] [Auto 426-8 425 HP 48] [4 Speed 426-8 425 HP 22] Giving a total of #503 though he have a serial number list with #501 car but the list has some errors as same car by vin at different dealers

[69_500]

good looking list there.

I wasn't aware that your Daytona was that low mileage Jim. Hopefully it turns out as nice if not nicer than your R4 car. Which by the way is a gorgeous example.

[nascarxx29]

And J Mccauley got a low mileage green daytona that came from MO and was shown at the LV Nevada show. but Im not sure what the miles are on it .Also has a black 440 daytona and R4 red 4 speed 440.and Dr H in Mo I sold parts to is a original owner of a F6 green daytona.And a rough F6 daytona from Mo formely owned by Travis.I havent got there mileages recorded.For my survey of how many we got of limited original mile cars

[69_500]

3-Daytona on here is Jim M. with the cars mentioned.

I believe his green Daytona that was just recently found has like 50K on the odometer. Not positive on that, but for some reason that figure jumps to mind.

[nascarxx29]

Thanks for the info 69 500 .Jim M car is a sister car my friend Pauls 440 4 speed daytona

[69_500]

Yeah wasn't there a magazine article about that? I believe it was titled twins or something like that? Because they are identically equpied, as well as being consecutive VIN numbers too right?

[nascarxx29]

Those are the cars.The story was called seperated at birth maybe

[PocketThunder]

69 Daytona list per state totals going from the current standing list number to date #501 cars from pages supplied in my club newsletter that shows the new car shipments for 69 daytonas and locations shipped to Including serial numbers and dealer number and dealer location. Also shows what states did and did not recieve a 69 daytona .Starting with the 440s AL-11 AZ-5 AR-2 CANADA 45 CA-38 CO-12 CON-2 DE-1 FL-16 GA-16 HAWAII-2 ID-1 IL-22 IN-21 IA-3 KAN-7 KEN-5 LOU-7 ME-1 MD-2 MASS-5 MI-26 MINN-3 MISS-1 MO-21 MONT-1 NEB-4 NV-2 NH-2 NJ-6 NY-26 NC-13 NDKT-1 SDKT-4.OH-25 OK-9 ORE-7 PA-23 RI-3 SC-4 TN-5 TX-20 UT-1 VT-1 VA-13 WA ST-7 WA-DC-2 W VA-1 WI-9-The 426 states AZ-1 CANADA-5 CA-7 CO-3 GA-1 IL-1 IN-1 KAN-1 MD-1 MI-2 MO-1 NY-1 NC-1 OH-3 PA-1 SC-1 TX-3 WVA-1 WI-1 .Total #501 465- 440 Hemi-36 for the 47 states 1 line was unreadable unknown state. 2 cars were 440 dodge exec cars with no dealer location in house cars and figured in with the MI total.Only #3 states didnt recieve 69 Daytona on this current list Alaska-New Mexico-Wyoming

So is this correct that only one (1) Hemi Daytona was sold in Wisconsin?   If this is true i know of the original owner who still owns the car to this day. 

[hemigeno]

Paul,

That's more than likely the case, although it has been (rightfully) pointed out by others that there were occasions where cars were traded between dealerships, even out-of-state.  It's not possible to say absolutely for certain that it's the ONLY HemiDaytona from WI, unless we can identify where each and every other HemiDaytona was sold new at.  I'd peg the chances at 95% or higher it was the only one sold new there. 

Does the proud owner you know live anywhere near Thiensville, WI? 

[nascarxx29]

If that WI hemi daytona is a bronze one 4 speed of CA .Ive seen it

[hemigeno]

1 line was unreadable unknown state.

Dave, which line was that?  I have all of the cars assigned to a state so far, or at least I thought I did...

[Just 6T9 CHGR]

My Daytona XX29L9B409032 has 35Kon the clock, 440 Auto, white wing, black guts a Oklahoma car new. JR.

Wingman, check your PM

[hemigeno]

Here's the breakdown I have by Canadian Province:

Total Daytona's Shipped to Canada:  50

Alberta:  5
Ontario:  20
Quebec:  12
Saskatchewan:  2
New Brunswick:  1
Nova Scotia:  2
Manitoba:  4
British Columbia:  4


Total 440 Daytona's Shipped to Canada:  45

Alberta:  3
Ontario:  19
Quebec:  10
Saskatchewan:  2
New Brunswick:  1
Nova Scotia:  2
Manitoba:  4
British Columbia:  4


Total 426 Daytona's Shipped to Canada:  5

Alberta:  2
Ontario:  1
Quebec:  2

[PocketThunder]

Paul,
Does the proud owner you know live anywhere near Thiensville, WI? 

Thiensville?  where is that?  mapquest brings that up by Mequon down by Milwaukee.  The one i know of is in the opposite side of the state. 

If that WI hemi daytona is a bronze one 4 speed of CA .Ive seen it

I dont think its Bronze.  I'll ask my friend about the details on it.  Its my friends Uncles car. 

[hemigeno]

Well, this is a classic example of what I mentioned earlier.  Thiensville is the "supposed" destination of the Hemi Daytona shipped to Wisconsin.  That does not mean it definitely sold from there, it's just the recorded destination on the Daytona Shipping List.

Paul, can you get the VIN?  The one listed as being shipped to Thiensville has a VIN that ends with 409066.

There's also the distinct possibility that a Daytona on the shipping list was recorded as a 440 car when it's really a J-code Hemi.  There was another Wisconsin Daytona, 409075 that was shipped to Watertown, Wisconsin.  It was shown on the list as a wedge car, but two of the more recent Winged Warriors lists shows it to be a Hemicar.  If it's a legit Hemicar, then there were two Wisconsin HemiDaytonas.  So much for me being 95% sure, eh?   

I have five or six exceptions such as this to run down, where a car is listed with the club as a Hemi and the Shipping List shows it to be a wedge.  There's only one instance that I have found where a club-reported car is listed as a wedge and the Shipping Lists posts the same VIN as a J-code Hemi.  It's hard to say if someone attempted any verification of the VIN's on the Club lists, but I doubt if that's the case.  The reason I can say this with confidence is that I have found several instances - seventeen, so far - where club-reported VIN's have numbers transposed or are off by a digit or two (they don't fit into the Shipping List's numeric sequence/pattern).  That would have a significant impact on the number of "known" cars, since several entries on the club lists would be removed if my suspicions are correct.

I will send off yet another email to Ed & Sue George.  I hope they respond back this time...   

[PocketThunder]

I e-mailed my buddy this afternoon and he said:

I know of two Daytona Hemi's that were purchased from Bernard's North Town in New Richmond.  My Uncles (Which I am not sure of the color, but I don't think it is black) and a Lime Green one which was painted black because at the time it wasn't considered a good color.

Was lime green an option for Daytonas?  Maybe he's thinking Superbirds...  I'll give him these VIN numbers and he can run them by his Uncle.  Hold off on what i say then untill i can verify what his Uncle really has..

Paul
in St. Paul

[WINGMAN]

     HEY NASCARXX29   My car is number 92 on the list, The wingwarriors list shows that it was sent to spyderweb dodge in poetau OK but sold by New dodge city inc in Tulsa on 3 13 70 to a RONALD W BURCHAM. I bought the car in december 03 from the second owner, a MR WILLIAMS in enid. A interesting note, MR WILLIAMS owned the daytona that was destroyed in a flood in Enid in 1973, you can see a picture of it on the Wingwarriors site (one less daytona) he told me that he bought it back from the insurance company and pulled the 440 and put it in a wrecker and then just junked out the daytona.       JR.

[nascarxx29]

Thanks wingman I see that daytona upside picture in a newsletter .Ive seen on the daytona list where 2 dealers in the same state will show the vin of  that car .My friend has a daytona from OK sold from May Ave Dodge

[hemigeno]

Was lime green an option for Daytonas?  Maybe he's thinking Superbirds...  I'll give him these VIN numbers and he can run them by his Uncle. 

F6 was as Lime as it got in '69 (and on Daytonas).  I'll be interested to hear what your friend's Uncle has to say, and thank you for asking about it!

[chargervert]

The Blue one from Mass,had 11,000 miles on it! I thought it only had 4000 on it,but Mike corrected me on that one!

[nascarxx29]

Ok thanks I will log it in at 11'000 miles

[69_500]

Is that a blue car that also hasn't ever been titled or registered that has 11,000 miles on it? Or is this a different car? I've never seen this car, only heard various people talk about a blue car in that region of the country as being another untitled or registered car.

[nascarxx29]

Its a blue 69 500 its in the 79 membership records .Under Newport RI car museum

[69_500]

I see. Thanks for the insight.

[PocketThunder]

Was lime green an option for Daytonas?  Maybe he's thinking Superbirds...  I'll give him these VIN numbers and he can run them by his Uncle. 

F6 was as Lime as it got in '69 (and on Daytonas).  I'll be interested to hear what your friend's Uncle has to say, and thank you for asking about it!

Talked to my buddy this weekend and his uncle has a HEMI 4-speed Daytona, and a HEMI lime green Superbird..  thats all i have for now.  I'll see him again in 3 weeks and run this by him again...

Paul
in St. Paul

[69_500]

Two HEMI wing cars, quite a collection. If I was you I'd definately be wanting to go see them. I don't ever pass up an opprotunity to see a HEMI wing car in person.

[dayclona]

    HEY NASCARXX29   My car is number 92 on the list, The wingwarriors list shows that it was sent to spyderweb dodge in poetau OK but sold by New dodge city inc in Tulsa on 3 13 70 to a RONALD W BURCHAM. I bought the car in december 03 from the second owner, a MR WILLIAMS in enid. A interesting note, MR WILLIAMS owned the daytona that was destroyed in a flood in Enid in 1973, you can see a picture of it on the Wingwarriors site (one less daytona) he told me that he bought it back from the insurance company and pulled the 440 and put it in a wrecker and then just junked out the daytona.       JR.

      Wingman?..............JR?............JRJames, I believe?.................You'll be glad to know the "Enid flood" car is finally undergoing resto, the owner has been collecting parts, for quite sometime now,..............as well as saving his pennys!, for the resto shops bill!...............


petey,...........No info about "roll over"    ................................OK?




    Mike G/ DAYCLONA

[WINGMAN]

  Thanks Mike for the info. I thought that car was long gone, MR Williams the past owner of that car and my daytona told me that he junked the car. The person that has the car now has his work cut out for them. Hey i have bought parts from you in the past, like your quality, need some more stuff.Will call soon.   JR.

[dayclona]

  Thanks Mike for the info. I thought that car was long gone, MR Williams the past owner of that car and my daytona told me that he junked the car. The person that has the car now has his work cut out for them. Hey i have bought parts from you in the past, like your quality, need some more stuff.Will call soon.   JR.

                JR,..............I was98% sure that was you!............how goes the Daytona?..............................hows Leo doin on his?



               as for the "flood" daytona,...........it passed thru a few hands, nobody wanted to touch it! ( can't blame them!)........however the car is very well perserved!, has been basicly garaged sinced the 70's....................the current owner has a stash of nos, repro , used, parts he's collected over the years to do the car right!............he has no intention to rebody, although the car will require extensive metal work! esp. the roof and rear quarters...................we may see it in a year or two??...........if the owner follows thru ($$$$$$) the resto?


Mike G/ DAYCLONA

[69_500]

Always good to hear of another wing car that is going to be saved. That means at least one more available for purchase in another 25 years.


Which could be good news for a young man like me.

[nascarxx29]

69 500 keep up with your wingcar record keeping.Your doing good

[69_500]

Thanks Dave.

I'm working on memorizing them too to make for less paperwork, but I am trying to get as accurate of a database as possible. I figure the more people who are keeping records of these cars the less chance 30 years from now for someone to try to pass of a fraudulent car as real.

Plus I figure 30 years from now I'll be one of the old people in the club, and people will be asking me questions and I had better have some answers.

[nascarxx29]

There was this guy on moparts his uncle had a very dusty pair of wingcar from back in the day sitting in storage .Somewhere in In .His user name was EV2Demon .He had posted pictures .They looked like they had car covers on them .But it was all dust

[69_500]

I had talked to him a few times. I never saw any photo;s of those cars though. I had offered to go and look and admire them a few times but never got a response from him.

[PocketThunder]

Was lime green an option for Daytonas?  Maybe he's thinking Superbirds...  I'll give him these VIN numbers and he can run them by his Uncle. 

F6 was as Lime as it got in '69 (and on Daytonas).  I'll be interested to hear what your friend's Uncle has to say, and thank you for asking about it!

Talked to my buddy this weekend and his uncle has a HEMI 4-speed Daytona, and a HEMI lime green Superbird..  thats all i have for now.  I'll see him again in 3 weeks and run this by him again...

Paul
in St. Paul

Like they say, "better late than never"   I finally talked to my friends Uncle last night on the phone about his Daytona and Superbird.  My friend was incorrect in saying they were both HEMI cars.  They are both 440 cars and the Daytona is a Red, Automatic car.  He will be at the Aero car meet in Milwaukee in August so maybe Doug S. already knows this guy.  He said he didn't buy the Daytona new but that he bought it in 1977.  So now we know the truth to the story.  Gosh it took me a year and a half to verify this .

Paul
in St. Paul

[Aero426]

Like they say, “better late than never”   I finally talked to my friends Uncle last night on the phone about his Daytona and Superbird.  My friend was incorrect in saying they were both HEMI cars.  They are both 440 cars and the Daytona is a Red, Automatic car.  He will be at the Aero car meet in Milwaukee in August so maybe Doug S. already knows this guy.  He said he didn’t buy the Daytona new but that he bought it in 1977.  So now we know the truth to the story.  Gosh it took me a year and a half to verify this .

Paul
in St. Paul

Your friend was partially correct in that Gary did own a Hemi Challenger hardtop.  He sold that to buy the Superbird a few years back.

Gary is the connection to the dealership in New Richmond who sold Elmer Duellman's car new.   In talking to people who remember the car, it is not proven, but believed it may have had a black stripe when it arrived at the dealer.  This was the car that was painted lime green before being offered for sale.

[69_500]

Are you saying it was probably a black car with a black stripe when it arrived at the dealership Doug? That would be an unusual combination. Not unheard of with Mopars, but would be for a Daytona I think.

[hemi24]

There was a Red Daytona around Wichita Kansas area back in 1988 still original in rough shape the guy use to drive it all the time..

[moparchris]

Don't know if you have records of my old car or not so here's the vin if you don't.  XX29L9B410767, 440 4 speed sold new in S. California.  It had Cal Worthington Dodge license plate frames on it when I bought it (1982)and it had been in Az. since 72 so this was probably the original selling dealer.  They were in South Gate California.  The car was originally f6 with black interior but I painted it r4 in 1982.  Yea... I know but hey I was 19 years old, what did I know?  I last drove the car ( I sold it to a friend) in 2000 or 2001 and it had 48,000 miles on it.  The new owner has used it on the Hot Rod magazine power tour so I'm sure the mileage is at least into the 50,000 range now.  The new owner lives in Northern California.

[UFO]

Stripe delete on a daytona sure its possible,see line #6.(This has been posted before)The million dollar question is....Did any actually be built that way.Could also be the selling dealer removed a stripe at customers request.

[71ChallengeHer]

One of my customers was a salesman for the Dodge Dealership here. He told me that all the Daytonas there were sold for dealer cost or less. He said people kept stealing the intakes and carbs and the owner of the dealership got tired of it and wanted all the Daytonas sold and off the lot.

[moparchris]

The memo from T. Guzniak that is posted above by UFO came from my Daytona XX29L9B410767.  I found it under the carpet beneath the passenger bucket seat.  I made a copy and gave it to Jim Radke in 1982.  I assume the original is still with the car.

[hemigeno]

The memo from T. Guzniak that is posted above by UFO came from my Daytona XX29L9B410767.  I found it under the carpet beneath the passenger bucket seat.  I made a copy and gave it to Jim Radke in 1982.  I assume the original is still with the car.

That was quite a historical find, and it was a great thing you did by sending a copy to the Winged Warriors!



I'll check my stuff on Monday to see if I have anything on your former car, but Doug Schellinger's DSAC information is much more complete than mine.  Maybe he'll chime in??

[nascarxx29]

All I found so far was the shipment info on car #246 410767 Crenshaw Doidge special order # 926649 build date 606