Valve hydraulic lifters... UPDATE... SOMETHING IS WEIRD HERE

[Nacho-RT74]

I allways have known these are the same for BB and SB, however searching further into a MP catalog, I have found SB list PN P3614321 and BB list PN P4006767

whats the deal ?

[Nacho-RT74]

mmmmmmmm

[Challenger340]

I have no idea, although I suspect potentially that they are from different Manufacturers ? maybe ?

[Nacho-RT74]

so... should I be able to buy the P3614321 and install on my BB ?

[FLG]

Nacho

Get a set of Johnson lifters. There inexpensive and good quality.

[Nacho-RT74]

link ?

the problem is, that I DUNNO WHY, every morning when starting up the engine, I get lifters noise for 3 or 4 seconds... using 20W50 Castrol oil... then the rest of the day is fine no matter how many times I crank up the engine.

True I got Elgin lifters, locally

[John_Kunkel]

Most current aftermarket hydraulic lifters will work on BB/SB Mopars and AMC's but the original style factory lifters won't...the problem is the location of the oil groove around the lifter. The groove is located higher on the SB lifter so, if the SB lifter is used in a BB, the oil groove will become exposed during maximum lift and dump the oil pressure into the valley.

[Nacho-RT74]

mmmmm.... could be that a reason why I get a tappet noise at the first startup in the morning ?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Hydraulic-Lifters-Mopar-AMC-V8-318-304-343-360-383-400-401-440-Chrysler-Dodge-/320825750051?pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&hash=item4ab2b47223&vxp=mtr

[oldkimmer]

................on the mp lifters the valve seat is .075 thou lower in the bb lifter [deeper inside] than the sb lifter................kim.......

[FLG]

Call these guys

http://www.toplineauto.com/about-us.asp

They should be able to help you, i got mine from em box reads B-2011R

Very good quality lifter

[Nacho-RT74]

ok, looks is the time to  get them. Apparently around half of the ones I have now are gone. Trying to contact "top line auto" guys but contact form looks with problems. Will try tomorrow

[Chryco Psycho]

the spring pressure is collapsing the lifters overnight , so 4-5 lifters have to pump up in the morning , no biggy as long as the pushrods do not drop out

[John_Kunkel]

Call these guys

http://www.toplineauto.com/about-us.asp

They should be able to help you, i got mine from em box reads B-2011R

2011 is a Sealed Power number, 2011R is a Speed Pro high-rotation lifter, they fit SB Mopars and AMC.

[FLG]

John there Johnson lifters...their BB mopar lifters.

[John_Kunkel]

You might be surprised how many lifter manufacturers there actually are (maybe two)....many name brand cams come with reboxed Johnson lifters.

[FLG]

I got em from a member on here that got em from that guy on moparts who gave every one the info as to where to get the Johnson lifters.

[Nacho-RT74]

the spring pressure is collapsing the lifters overnight , so 4-5 lifters have to pump up in the morning , no biggy as long as the pushrods do not drop out

yeap thats what I thought initially, but my oil pressure is dropping out day after day. Only reason I can find right now looks to be associated with damaged lifters ?


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finally could send the messagge through toplineauto contact form. Lets see what happens

[Nacho-RT74]

wow fast response!!!



Ignacio,
We have them...part number B-0976R. They are $7.99 each. It is a high
performance race type lifter, built to bleed down faster used for high rpm
big lift cams. Credit card only & frt is 10.00 to your forwarder.


AND DEFINITELLY, NOT CHEAP :S

[Nacho-RT74]

new email from them... stock replacements are same PN without the R and $1 less. I gave him my cam and springs specs, car useage and told me stock should be enough

but just $16 less for the set is still not cheap

[FLG]

Used to be much.cheaper but that was awhile ago. Quality parts though

[Nacho-RT74]

yeap... I'm agree. I'm toward to get them, but... OUCH!... however just $16 difference makes get the Race kind anyway

[Paul G]

Some one correct this if it is wrong. The race lifter will make noise at low rpm due to the bleed down built into the lifter. I am using the small block lifter B2011R, cost $102. They are rock solid. They just make a little noise at idle. I would not get the R lifter again if I had to purchase them all over. Dont need the bleed down with a mild cam. I would get the standard lifter from Topline Hylift Johnson.

And btw Nacho, you may be able to fish the lifters out with a magnet through the openings in the head, instead of having to pull the intake to get them out.

[Nacho-RT74]

interesting opinion about the use of the standard lifter OR race kind from them... somebody else have more opinions about this ?

yeap, I already though on fishing the lifters with a magnet or something like that.

[471_Magnum]

The other difference on the R lifter is the retainer. The stock type use a wire retainer. The R type is as FLG shows in the picture above.

I went with the R's on my 410 rebuild. They are a bit noisy. I've varied the pre-load from 1/4 to 1/2 to 3/4 turn to no avail. I'm running a Comp XE275HL and I've been told the noise is just a product of the fast lift rate.

Previously I had Comp Cam branded lifters in the motor. The body matched that of the HyLift R, but they had wire retainers. At that time I had an XE274L in the motor. Another fast lift rate came with just less total lift. Same lifter noise issues. Don't remember exactly what I paid for those, but they were more expensive than purchasing direct from Topline.

[Nacho-RT74]

so your votes are really get the standard piezes ? some change on performance getting one or the others on a mild cam ? ( Crower282HDP )