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'69 Charger Heritage Kit....

Started by Just 6T9 CHGR, May 26, 2012, 09:09:42 PM

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Just 6T9 CHGR

Chris' '69 Charger R/T


XS29L9Bxxxxxx

What do those items usually run? What's the Mopar tax rate on this  :shruggy:

Charger-Bodie

Atleast they are recognizing the Heritage for once. Chrysler Has never been great about that. The muscle car era IMO was the best years Crysler ever had.
68 Charger R/t white with black v/t and red tailstripe. 440 4 speed ,black interior
68 383 auto with a/c and power windows. Now 440 4 speed jj1 gold black interior .
My Charger is a hybrid car, it burns gas and rubber............

69CoronetRT

So which is it?

"1969 Dodge Charger Heritage Collection Kit
Part of the Mopar Heritage Collection, the 1968 Dodge Charger.

It would be worth $375 if they included the engineering drawings also. That would answer a lot of questions.
Seeking information on '69 St. Louis plant VINs, SPDs and VONs. Buld sheets and tag pictures appreciated. Over 3,000 on file thanks to people like you.

tan top

Feel free to post any relevant picture you think we all might like to see in the threads below!

Charger Stuff 
http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,86777.0.html
Chargers in the background where you least expect them 
http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,97261.0.html
C500 & Daytonas & Superbirds
http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,95432.0.html
Interesting pictures & Stuff 
http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,109484.925.html
Old Dodge dealer photos wanted
 http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,120850.0.html

BrianShaughnessy

Yikes...   don't need that collection of stuff that bad.  :-\    They're also doing a 70 Chally set.  Same price.    They might sell a few but not many.


And along with being out of touch price wise... here's 9 tee shirts in a box for $259.   Of course you could buy them individually for $22.95 each.   You do the math  :P
Black Betty:  1969 Charger R/T - X9 440 six pack, TKO600 5 speed, 3.73 Dana 60.
Sinnamon:  1969 Charger R/T - T5 440, 727, 3.23 8 3/4 high school sweetheart.

stripedelete

Quote from: 1HotDaytona on May 26, 2012, 09:58:16 PM
Atleast they are recognizing the Heritage for once. Chrysler Has never been great about that. The muscle car era IMO was the best years Crysler ever had.

Recognizing,,,, or maybe Monetizing.

Charger-Bodie

Quote from: stripedelete on May 27, 2012, 09:59:11 AM
Quote from: 1HotDaytona on May 26, 2012, 09:58:16 PM
Atleast they are recognizing the Heritage for once. Chrysler Has never been great about that. The muscle car era IMO was the best years Chrysler ever had.

Recognizing,,,, or maybe Monetizing.

Either way it make more things available from the OEM. Do you think GM did it simply because of the past? No they did it to create revenue. Mopar would have made alot of cash over the years by selling us parts instead of simply looking the other way.

The price they are wanting for these items is too much though.
68 Charger R/t white with black v/t and red tailstripe. 440 4 speed ,black interior
68 383 auto with a/c and power windows. Now 440 4 speed jj1 gold black interior .
My Charger is a hybrid car, it burns gas and rubber............

bull

I think it's cool and I would buy one... for maybe 1/4 their asking price.

Indygenerallee

They will sell more than you think!!! I would not buy it but plenty of folks will!!
Sold my Charger unfortunately....never got it finished.

BananaDan

For $375, Mopar should make the '69 Charger grille center I piece.  Then they'd be doing a solid for the hobby and heritage of their own product.
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Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds. The mediocre mind is incapable of understanding the man who refuses to bow blindly to conventional prejudices and chooses instead to express his opinions courageously and honestly.  ~A. Einstein

BrianShaughnessy



For $100 or a bit less,  somebody could have their wife / GF get them a Xmas / Bday present that wouldn't involve an ugly sweater.     :Twocents:
Black Betty:  1969 Charger R/T - X9 440 six pack, TKO600 5 speed, 3.73 Dana 60.
Sinnamon:  1969 Charger R/T - T5 440, 727, 3.23 8 3/4 high school sweetheart.

Chatt69chgr

I don't need that kit.  I've got the original owners manual and shop manual already.  But I've got something better than a bunch of overpriced paper.  I've got a REAL 1969 Charger.

Fred

Quote from: BrianShaughnessy on May 27, 2012, 06:00:00 AM
Yikes...   don't need that collection of stuff that bad.  :-\    They're also doing a 70 Chally set.  Same price.    They might sell a few but not many.


And along with being out of touch price wise... here's 9 tee shirts in a box for $259.   Of course you could buy them individually for $22.95 each.   You do the math  :P

$22.95 plus the correct size................I'd say that's the way to go.


Tomorrow is promised to no one.......drive your Charger today.

Ghoste

Fiat obviously thinks Chargers and Ferraris have the same demographic.

404NOTFOUND

Sure it's worth it. It comes with a "Certificate of Authenticity". :lol:
My 1969 Charger. RIP......Rest in pieces.

1969chargerrtse

Quote from: Indygenerallee on May 27, 2012, 10:38:19 AM
They will sell more than you think!!! I would not buy it but plenty of folks will!!
I don't think so.  Here we are on a Dodge charger site, while owning the cars and saying it's to expensive.  I wouldn't.   I thought we were in hard times?
This car was sold many years ago to somebody in Wisconsin. I now am retired and living in Florida.

Ghoste

Exactly.  They might, MIGHT have been able to pull this stunt in 2007 but I can't see many of these things flying out the door.  It will end up as further evidence that 2 door Charger fans are extinct.  As mentioned above, the engineering drawings are what they need to publish.

69_500

I am not positive they still have all of the engineering drawings for the charger. I have thought about buying this kit to just add it to my collection of papers. Even though I have original copies of everything in the kit.

XS29L9B2

that is so expensive i fine this on ebay with no box and i dont have for 375 dolls  :icon_smile_big:
dodge charger 440 R/T match
dodge charger 70 projet daytona

THE CHARGER PUNK

Love how they have a 68 on the brochure smokin the tires, '' real authentic''  :2thumbs:

mpdlawdog

Quote from: THE CHARGER PUNK on May 28, 2012, 12:02:22 PM
Love how they have a 68 on the brochure smokin the tires, '' real authentic''  :2thumbs:

I think that pic is of a members car...I wonder if he knows?
"Life is Tough...It's even tougher when you are stupid"  -John Wayne-

bull

Quote from: Ghoste on May 28, 2012, 07:30:47 AM
It will end up as further evidence that 2 door Charger fans are extinct. 

Further evidence to them maybe. Apparently they think anyone that owns a classic Charger is romping around in a 100-points Hemi show car with C-notes falling out of their overstuffed pockets. As usual they are out of touch. I've yet to meet anyone in this hobby that I'd consider rich and hasn't had to work pretty hard to afford what they've got. Those guys aren't going to buy something this impractical that costs this much. As said, if Chrysler is going to finally join the heritage party they would be better served providing us with something more useful and affordable.

Ghoste

Yes, further evidence to them was what I meant of course.

resq302

wow.  very pricey!  Actually the engineer drawings are available repro now.  I picked up on from Faxon Auto Literature for the charger for about $25 or so.
Brian
1969 Dodge Charger (factory 4 speed, H code 383 engine,  AACA Senior winner, 2008 Concours d'Elegance participant, 2009 Concours d'Elegance award winner)
1970 Challenger Convert. factory #'s matching red inter. w/ white body.  318 car built 9/28/69 (AACA Senior winner)
1969 Plymough GTX convertible - original sheet metal, #'s matching drivetrain, T3 Honey Bronze, 1 of 701 produced, 1 of 362 with 440 4 bbl - auto

Ghoste

The problem I found with the Faxon stuff was that they only published a tiny fraction of them and they plaster their watermark across every drawing which I haven't found to be helpful or attractive.

resq302

I can't say as I blame Faxon as I wouldn't want something I have exclusive rights with Chrysler to be copied and then sold off.
Brian
1969 Dodge Charger (factory 4 speed, H code 383 engine,  AACA Senior winner, 2008 Concours d'Elegance participant, 2009 Concours d'Elegance award winner)
1970 Challenger Convert. factory #'s matching red inter. w/ white body.  318 car built 9/28/69 (AACA Senior winner)
1969 Plymough GTX convertible - original sheet metal, #'s matching drivetrain, T3 Honey Bronze, 1 of 701 produced, 1 of 362 with 440 4 bbl - auto

Patronus

No friggin' way am I shelling out 375 for that!  :rotz:
They must be smoking paste.
'73 Cuda 340 5spd RMS
'69 Charger 383 "Luci"
'08 CRF 450r
'12.5 450SX FE

resq302

Its funny.  I have every one of those pieces in originals with the exception of the certificate of authenticity, and the fancy packaging.  Wonder if that means I can get my original stuff sold for close to that if I put it in a package!   :smilielol:
Brian
1969 Dodge Charger (factory 4 speed, H code 383 engine,  AACA Senior winner, 2008 Concours d'Elegance participant, 2009 Concours d'Elegance award winner)
1970 Challenger Convert. factory #'s matching red inter. w/ white body.  318 car built 9/28/69 (AACA Senior winner)
1969 Plymough GTX convertible - original sheet metal, #'s matching drivetrain, T3 Honey Bronze, 1 of 701 produced, 1 of 362 with 440 4 bbl - auto

1969chargerrtse

Quote from: Ghoste on May 28, 2012, 07:30:47 AM
Exactly.  They might, MIGHT have been able to pull this stunt in 2007 but I can't see many of these things flying out the door.  It will end up as further evidence that 2 door Charger fans are extinct.  As mentioned above, the engineering drawings are what they need to publish.
2 door Charger fans are extinct?   :slap:  Did you feel that?
This car was sold many years ago to somebody in Wisconsin. I now am retired and living in Florida.

Ghoste

To the mother corporation we are my friend, to the mother corp we are.

69_500

How much of the engineering papers does faxon have? Just curious. Maybe I should pay $25 and find out

resq302

its a decent sized book.  at least 50 pages,maybe closer to 100 if not more.
Brian
1969 Dodge Charger (factory 4 speed, H code 383 engine,  AACA Senior winner, 2008 Concours d'Elegance participant, 2009 Concours d'Elegance award winner)
1970 Challenger Convert. factory #'s matching red inter. w/ white body.  318 car built 9/28/69 (AACA Senior winner)
1969 Plymough GTX convertible - original sheet metal, #'s matching drivetrain, T3 Honey Bronze, 1 of 701 produced, 1 of 362 with 440 4 bbl - auto

69_500

Hmmm. Wonder if it has anything I do not already have.

Brock Lee

Quote from: Ghoste on May 28, 2012, 08:28:15 PM
The problem I found with the Faxon stuff was that they only published a tiny fraction of them and they plaster their watermark across every drawing which I haven't found to be helpful or attractive.

There were many pages that damn watermark made parts of the illustration hard to see. I emailed and told them the watermark is too dark and they came back saying in so many words that they didn't care.

Ghoste

Pretty much identical to my experience Brock.  I told them they lost a customer.  The ones they have published that I have (I have never checked to see if they did more) were an engine one at 106 pages and a chassis one at 76 pages.  The engine one is all things that bolt onto the engine such as carbs or air conditioning compressors.  The chassis one i things like shifters and shocks.
Somewhere out there is a great book.   Does Faxon have the exclusive on these?

Cooter

Kinda surprized you guys expected anything less from the "New Mopar" of today. Pimp,Pimp,And Pimp itself again.

Now go out and buy one of those overpriced FIATS dammit!
" I have spent thousands of dollars and countless hours researching what works and what doesn't and I'm willing to share"

AirborneSilva

Quote from: BrianShaughnessy on May 27, 2012, 01:01:25 PM


For $100 or a bit less,  somebody could have their wife / GF get them a Xmas / Bday present that wouldn't involve an ugly sweater.     :Twocents:

You sound bitter  :nana:

BrianShaughnessy

Quote from: AirborneSilva on May 30, 2012, 07:01:23 AM
Quote from: BrianShaughnessy on May 27, 2012, 01:01:25 PM


For $100 or a bit less,  somebody could have their wife / GF get them a Xmas / Bday present that wouldn't involve an ugly sweater.     :Twocents:

You sound bitter  :nana:


Not about this kinda crap  :nana:    Anyway she knows better.    I'm sure there's some guys here that have a whole drawer full of sweaters, ties, and after shave lotion :lol:       

I'm just saying that there's a price point where they could move'em out,  and then there's the price they're at now where they'll be lucky to sell any.
Black Betty:  1969 Charger R/T - X9 440 six pack, TKO600 5 speed, 3.73 Dana 60.
Sinnamon:  1969 Charger R/T - T5 440, 727, 3.23 8 3/4 high school sweetheart.

AirborneSilva

Quote from: BrianShaughnessy on May 30, 2012, 08:18:22 AM
Quote from: AirborneSilva on May 30, 2012, 07:01:23 AM
Quote from: BrianShaughnessy on May 27, 2012, 01:01:25 PM


For $100 or a bit less,  somebody could have their wife / GF get them a Xmas / Bday present that wouldn't involve an ugly sweater.     :Twocents:

You sound bitter  :nana:


Not about this kinda crap  :nana:    Anyway she knows better.    I'm sure there's some guys here that have a whole drawer full of sweaters, ties, and after shave lotion :lol:       

I'm just saying that there's a price point where they could move'em out,  and then there's the price they're at now where they'll be lucky to sell any.

Yeah I had to tell my wife to quit buying me tools, I didn't want to hurt her feelings but they were junk  :rotz:

BrianShaughnessy

Quote from: AirborneSilva on May 30, 2012, 08:53:05 AM
Quote from: BrianShaughnessy on May 30, 2012, 08:18:22 AM
Quote from: AirborneSilva on May 30, 2012, 07:01:23 AM
Quote from: BrianShaughnessy on May 27, 2012, 01:01:25 PM


For $100 or a bit less,  somebody could have their wife / GF get them a Xmas / Bday present that wouldn't involve an ugly sweater.     :Twocents:

You sound bitter  :nana:


Not about this kinda crap  :nana:    Anyway she knows better.    I'm sure there's some guys here that have a whole drawer full of sweaters, ties, and after shave lotion :lol:       

I'm just saying that there's a price point where they could move'em out,  and then there's the price they're at now where they'll be lucky to sell any.

Yeah I had to tell my wife to quit buying me tools, I didn't want to hurt her feelings but they were junk  :rotz:


   Well,  she tried!!!        Next time, do what I do...  take her to Sears,  point to it and say I need that.    Merry Christmas!  :)
Black Betty:  1969 Charger R/T - X9 440 six pack, TKO600 5 speed, 3.73 Dana 60.
Sinnamon:  1969 Charger R/T - T5 440, 727, 3.23 8 3/4 high school sweetheart.

AirborneSilva

Quote from: BrianShaughnessy on May 30, 2012, 12:32:46 PM
Quote from: AirborneSilva on May 30, 2012, 08:53:05 AM
Quote from: BrianShaughnessy on May 30, 2012, 08:18:22 AM
Quote from: AirborneSilva on May 30, 2012, 07:01:23 AM
Quote from: BrianShaughnessy on May 27, 2012, 01:01:25 PM


For $100 or a bit less,  somebody could have their wife / GF get them a Xmas / Bday present that wouldn't involve an ugly sweater.     :Twocents:

You sound bitter  :nana:


Not about this kinda crap  :nana:    Anyway she knows better.    I'm sure there's some guys here that have a whole drawer full of sweaters, ties, and after shave lotion :lol:       

I'm just saying that there's a price point where they could move'em out,  and then there's the price they're at now where they'll be lucky to sell any.

Yeah I had to tell my wife to quit buying me tools, I didn't want to hurt her feelings but they were junk  :rotz:


          Next time, do what I do...  take her to Sears,  point to it and say I need that.    Merry Christmas!  :)


LOL, yeah that's a good idea!

Rustymuscle

Wow, you guys are nuts. No, not Mopar, YOU guys.

First, I got to flip through this at SEMA last November. While I couldn't honestly say I'd personally shell out close to $400 for this box set, it's a hell of a package. Each kit is specially numbered as they are an exceptionally limited run (which drastically boosts printing costs) and comes in a pretty cool, collectible case. While a nice box might be all that exciting, Mopar went through ALL of the original manuals, parts catalogs, sales brochures, data info booklets, and owner's manuals - digitally touched them up - and printed them on nice, glossy hardback paper. Each of these would sell for quite a bit of money on their own, so the big box of bitchin' stuff (including CDs of images, info and instructions) is a big value.

No, it's not the griping about the price that is driving me crazy, it's the fact that finally Mopar decides to do something SPECIFICALLY for us Charger lovers, and all that you can think to do is belittle and berate Mopar. Well, congratulations guys, we'll NEVER see anything from these guys again.

Seriously, it's like George Lucas finally went to the uber-geek Star Wars forums, apologized for the prequels and offered digitally mastered BluRays of the original Trilogy and all you could think to do is scream, "Jar Jar Binks! You made Jar Jar Binks! WAARRRGRRRBBLLL!"

I'm not saying we should all roll over and say, "Thank you, Mopar! Thank you for acknowledging our existence! We'll buy two dozen of these!" but I am saying we can applaud the guy in Mopar who said, "Hey, this could be a really cool thing that the old school Charger guys might like." That's all I'm saying.  :Twocents:

1969 Dodge Charger R/T, 535ci Wedge, 727 w/ GV, Dana 60
1970 Dodge Super Bee
2004 Jeep Grand Cherokee 4x4
2005 Dodge Ram 1500 SLT HEMI

mauve66

no 1st gen stuff?? WTF, was there only 1 year for the charger??

oh wait, don't answer that, it was a rhetorical question, damn, someone already answered.................
Robert-Las Vegas, NV

NEEDS:
body work
paint - mauve and black
powder coat wheels - mauve and black
total wiring
PW
PDLKS
Tint
trim
engine - 520/540, eddy heads, 6pak
alignment

Just 6T9 CHGR

Quote from: Rustymuscle on May 30, 2012, 06:51:38 PM
applaud the guy in Mopar who said, "Hey, this could be a really cool thing that the old school Charger guys might like."



....as he's cashing his 250k paycheck..

maybe if the guy making only 75k a year said it, the price might have been lower so they would actually sell to the "old school Charger guys"

They got us by the short hairs with all the licensing BS that drives much needed repro parts prices up too so yeah why not a "Collector Set" as well....  :rotz:

Is all Im sayin....
Chris' '69 Charger R/T


Ghoste

Sorry Rusty Muscle but I truly don't think this is a case of someone at Mopar wanting to do something nice for Charger lovers.  It's a case of someone in marketing thinking it's an ideal opportunity to try and strengthen the connection between the old Charger and the Eurocharger.
I just don't trust ANYTHING from Fiatchrysler in a Kool-Aid container.

69CoronetRT

Quote from: Rustymuscle on May 30, 2012, 06:51:38 PM

I'm not saying we should all roll over and say, "Thank you, Mopar! Thank you for acknowledging our existence! We'll buy two dozen of these!" but I am saying we can applaud the guy in Mopar who said, "Hey, this could be a really cool thing that the old school Charger guys might like." That's all I'm saying.  :Twocents:

Agree.

This isn't meant for 'everyone'. It's not packaged and priced for 'everyone'. They don't want 'everyone' to buy it.

It's meant for a select group of people that can and will pay for it. It's a specialty product.

If it's 'overpriced' you're not the people it's meant for so don't worry about it.

Spend the money on your car and enjoy it.
Seeking information on '69 St. Louis plant VINs, SPDs and VONs. Buld sheets and tag pictures appreciated. Over 3,000 on file thanks to people like you.

bull

We're not the people it's meant for? Probably the largest online collection of classic Charger owners on the planet? That speaks volumes, doesn't it?

AirborneSilva

While I think it's priced a little too high if they made one for 68's I might buy one....

Cooter

This is meant to make money, NOT allow the "Old Skool" charger guys/gals buy it. Simple economics. Just like Mercedes, if you have to ask how much, or b*tch about how much, then it wasn't intended for you.
" I have spent thousands of dollars and countless hours researching what works and what doesn't and I'm willing to share"

AirborneSilva

Quote from: Cooter on May 31, 2012, 06:53:44 AM
This is meant to make money, NOT allow the "Old Skool" charger guys/gals buy it. Simple economics. Just like Mercedes, if you have to ask how much, or b*tch about how much, then it wasn't intended for you.

I think it's funny how your opinions are "opinions" but others opinions are just b*tches  :scratchchin:

69CoronetRT

Quote from: Cooter on May 31, 2012, 06:53:44 AM
This is meant to make money, NOT allow the "Old Skool" charger guys/gals buy it. Simple economics. Just like Mercedes, if you have to ask how much, or b*tch about how much, then it wasn't intended for you.

Bingo.
Seeking information on '69 St. Louis plant VINs, SPDs and VONs. Buld sheets and tag pictures appreciated. Over 3,000 on file thanks to people like you.

69CoronetRT

Seeking information on '69 St. Louis plant VINs, SPDs and VONs. Buld sheets and tag pictures appreciated. Over 3,000 on file thanks to people like you.

Lennard

Quote from: 69CoronetRT on May 30, 2012, 10:28:08 PM
This isn't meant for 'everyone'. It's not packaged and priced for 'everyone'. They don't want 'everyone' to buy it.

It's meant for a select group of people that can and will pay for it. It's a specialty product.

If it's 'overpriced' you're not the people it's meant for so don't worry about it.
Just like a '68/'69/'70 Charger or the parts for it.

bull

Quote from: 69CoronetRT on May 31, 2012, 12:54:00 PM
Quote from: bull on May 30, 2012, 11:27:21 PM
We're not the people it's meant for?

Nope. Sorry.

Well, obviously you were a major player in the marketing campaign at Chrysler when this thing was created, or you are at least privy to some secretive inside information none of the rest of us are. I humbly submit to your expertise on the matter.

bull

Quote from: Cooter on May 31, 2012, 06:53:44 AM
This is meant to make money, NOT allow the "Old Skool" charger guys/gals buy it. Simple economics. Just like Mercedes, if you have to ask how much, or b*tch about how much, then it wasn't intended for you.

:lol: "Simple economics" means making money by excluding most of your customer base? Brilliant! Let me get a pencil and write this down...

Quote from: AirborneSilva on May 31, 2012, 12:24:53 PM
Quote from: Cooter on May 31, 2012, 06:53:44 AM
This is meant to make money, NOT allow the "Old Skool" charger guys/gals buy it. Simple economics. Just like Mercedes, if you have to ask how much, or b*tch about how much, then it wasn't intended for you.

I think it's funny how your opinions are "opinions" but others opinions are just b*tches  :scratchchin:

They're no longer opinions when you're always right. When Cooter bitches about something it's ok because it's a fact, not an opinion.

bill440rt

I'd have to see it, touch it, smell it, etc before even considering forking over that kinda dough for some reprints in a fancy-shmancy box with a number on it.
Something is telling me the price may be less in next year's MP catalog.

:Twocents:
"Strive for perfection in everything. Take the best that exists and make it better. If it doesn't exist, create it. Accept nothing nearly right or good enough." Sir Henry Rolls Royce

69CoronetRT

Quote from: bull on May 31, 2012, 07:37:56 PM
Quote from: 69CoronetRT on May 31, 2012, 12:54:00 PM
Quote from: bull on May 30, 2012, 11:27:21 PM
We're not the people it's meant for?

Nope. Sorry.

Well, obviously you were a major player in the marketing campaign at Chrysler when this thing was created, or you are at least privy to some secretive inside information none of the rest of us are.

Nope. Sorry.
Seeking information on '69 St. Louis plant VINs, SPDs and VONs. Buld sheets and tag pictures appreciated. Over 3,000 on file thanks to people like you.

Rustymuscle

No, this box was made SPECIFICALLY for the 1969 Dodge Charger owners. In fact, the marketing reps who presented this to me made a point of saying, "We know of lot of [these] guys feel jilted. That's why we went through all the effort to make this." In fact, it was in my SEMA reporting while I was still at powerTV. Apparently, they were thinking of those Charger owners who would appreciate beautifully restored documentation to match their equally restored Charger, not those of us who are building Chargers on "beer budgets."

Yes, everything coming out of Chrysler/Dodge/Jeep/Ram/Mopar is to make money. It'd be moronic if it didn't. Will I buy this box set? No. But I will buy the hardbacked, perfect bound photo booklet when it goes on sale separate from the box. Is $250 for a box set of 10 t-shirts expensive? Yes it is. But, I'm only going to buy two of the shirts seperately (1964 and the 1972 logos) for my 34th birthday next week. Why? Because I like the shirts, support Mopar producing vintage-themed products, and support this company with more than words - but with my hard-earned money.

As far as I can see, this thread is just three pages of embittered sour grapes. How very, very sad. Those of us lucky enough to own a '69 Dodge Charger own a rare, unique piece of American history; not a standard template from which all Dodge vehicles were based upon. If memory serves, not a lot of cool cars akin to this one singular model year flowed from Chrysler assembly lines - at least since 1973. Sorry to insult, but nothing between 1971-to-2004 does much of anything for me. I'm sorry, but Cordobas, GLHS, FWD Daytonas, Intrepids and Neons aren't exciting stuff to me. Maybe I'm the crazy one.

Chrysler has paired up with a lot worse partners than Fiat. I firmly believe that time will show that the cars produced during the Fiat/Chrysler years were some of the best. The cars Chrysler is producing today are better looking, better built and better equipped than any to have come from our favorite automaker in DECADES. If you don't believe me, swallow your pride and go test drive one. You might actually be surprised.

All of this "Eurocharger" and "Fiatmopar" talk is embarrassing. Have you driven a new R/T or SRT8 Charger? I have. They friggin' awesome. And no, I don't care that it has four-doors. Not anymore. No other American autobuilders are producing full-sized RWD two-door coupes, so there's no reason to stretch their neck out and risk a sales turkey. Moreover, were Fiat so incensed on making Chrysler into another Euro-brand, wouldn't Fiat demand that Dodge produce a two-door coupe to compete with the Audi A5, the BMW 5-series and MB CLK-500?

I apologize for such an impassioned response, but this sort of stuff buries deep under my skin. I mean no personal offense, but it does irk me when even the tiniest of olive branches is extended by a company and is immediately swatted aside. I think we owe it to encourage Mopar to improve its image, appeal and custom service. The sad truth is that they're not going to come around to us...
1969 Dodge Charger R/T, 535ci Wedge, 727 w/ GV, Dana 60
1970 Dodge Super Bee
2004 Jeep Grand Cherokee 4x4
2005 Dodge Ram 1500 SLT HEMI

Ghoste

I have driven them and I still think they are ugly.  As for embittered sour grapes, why?  Because I think charging an exhorbitant fee (and yes it IS exhorbitant) for this set of reprints to your ideal customer base is wrong?  You said yourself ypou won't buy it.  How come?  You are cheerleading its awesomeness so why not buy it?  Because ITS OVERPRICED!!!  That's why.  You tell us that they did this specifically because they felt bad for jilting classic Charger owners with the Eurocharger.  If they felt so bad, they sure haven't shown it by giving the "beer bdugets" of America who bought these cars new and restored them when they were used and treasured them FOR YEARS AND YEARS BEFORE they became blue chip investments a chance to own their precious box.
If this is an olive branch, then they are offering it on a 9 foot high shelf to group of 6 foot high people.  In other words, once again they completely misjudge their market.

Ghoste

The fact its raining here today isnt helping my curmudgeonly mood either. :shruggy:


(hey, at least I'm not carping on Chrysler for that)

wingcar

I think you guys are missing the real point here.  Chrysler has finally figured out that it's cheaper to sell this box set of reproductions themselves, rather than paying their attorneys big dollars to sue aftermarket manufactures that reproduce things for us enthusiasts. If you don't pay to use their trademark, you will be hearing from a Chrysler lawyer.  This is understandable as they want to protect and profit from their own trademark.  However, I to feel the asking price is a bit high, but then I am sure most all of us have paid more than we would have liked for something relating to our Chargers.   However, when you can get all that offered in the kit separately for a lot less, the question becomes....how much is the box worth to you?  And, make no mistake they will sell these collectors sets.  I for one am glad they are offering anything for the old Chargers; just too bad most of us have to decide whether we want to buy a part we need for our Chargers or reading material.  As for the new Mopars....I own a new Challenger, you can't beat them as they will do everything an old Mopar could and more...plus they are faster, handle better, brake better give you better gas mileage and it's a car you can drive all day long.    (And, yes the new Charger is the same, even with two extra doors).   But, then it better have improved as we are talking 40 plus years of technical advances.  They are different cars in a different time.  And, if it weren't for the SRT brand, I wonder if Chrysler would have even cared about "Dodge Performance".   Just my two cents, for what it's worth......... :Twocents: :shruggy: :Twocents:
1970 Daytona Charger SE "clone" (440/Auto)
1967 Charger (360,6-pak/Auto)
2008 Challenger SRT8 BLK (6.1/Auto) 6050 of 6400

stripedelete

Quote from: wingcar on June 01, 2012, 03:04:44 PM
I think you guys are missing the real point here.  Chrysler has finally figured out that it's cheaper to sell this box set of reproductions themselves, rather than paying their attorneys big dollars to sue aftermarket manufactures that reproduce things for us enthusiasts. If you don't pay to use their trademark, you will be hearing from a Chrysler lawyer.  


I disagree.  This is just data that can be printed.  They have near $0.0 in it.  A summer intern could have put the whole program together.  The cost of printing vs manufacturing a part - it's a no brainer.   I would also contend the attorneys are not high-dollar and they are doing most of there chasing through the mail, so, why not let someone repop it and then get your cut? :Twocents:  

Just 6T9 CHGR

Quote from: Ghoste on June 01, 2012, 01:46:22 PM
I have driven them and I still think they are ugly.  As for embittered sour grapes, why?  Because I think charging an exhorbitant fee (and yes it IS exhorbitant) for this set of reprints to your ideal customer base is wrong?  You said yourself ypou won't buy it.  How come?  You are cheerleading its awesomeness so why not buy it?  Because ITS OVERPRICED!!!  That's why.  You tell us that they did this specifically because they felt bad for jilting classic Charger owners with the Eurocharger.  If they felt so bad, they sure haven't shown it by giving the "beer bdugets" of America who bought these cars new and restored them when they were used and treasured them FOR YEARS AND YEARS BEFORE they became blue chip investments a chance to own their precious box.
If this is an olive branch, then they are offering it on a 9 foot high shelf to group of 6 foot high people.  In other words, once again they completely misjudge their market.
On point....
Chris' '69 Charger R/T


resq302

Rustymuscle,

First, happy birthday early!  I am not trying to stir up any sour grapes.  I think that the cost of it is astronomical for what they are giving us.  There already is a bunch of stuff that is repro'd such as the owners manual and other items.  I think what they are trying to cash in on is the limited number being produced and the numbered sets.  Don't get me wrong, I really appreciate the fact that they are making something geared specifically for us 69 charger owners, however, I think that there is a lot of other stuff that could be done to keep our cars on the road over reading / collectors material.  Things such as a correct repro green factory oil filter as example.  Or Bendix power disc brake boosters, or other items that is much needed.  Grilles are another example of items that are in need.  Stuff like that which would keep our cars on the road would be monumental in keeping the Chrysler history alive vs. just having something as a conversation piece on a coffee table.  Again, just my  :Twocents:
Brian
1969 Dodge Charger (factory 4 speed, H code 383 engine,  AACA Senior winner, 2008 Concours d'Elegance participant, 2009 Concours d'Elegance award winner)
1970 Challenger Convert. factory #'s matching red inter. w/ white body.  318 car built 9/28/69 (AACA Senior winner)
1969 Plymough GTX convertible - original sheet metal, #'s matching drivetrain, T3 Honey Bronze, 1 of 701 produced, 1 of 362 with 440 4 bbl - auto

Rustymuscle

Thanks for the early birthday wishes. I just warned my wife that we're going to Cooter's Place. She wasn't thrilled but, it's my birthday and I'm going to get my "Dukes on."

I get that the price of the box set is too high. I think they know too. But it's a premier item - not something that every Tom, Dick and Harry and buy. I know it, you know it, and they know it. But, they are marketing it towards a very select group of people, many of which can justify paying some pretty ridiculous prices for original bits and pieces for our rather expensive classic Chargers. Admit it, you've paid some stupid money for some pretty rinky-dink items before, haven't you? I know I have.

As for Ghoste's point, I think you're a wee bit off the mark. Mopar offers crate 426, 528 and 572 HEMIs, but those are priced just as "exorbitant" too. Do I want one? Heck yes. Will I buy one? Not unless a long-lost relative leaves me enough money that my wife won't kill me for blowing it on. But, I do want a HEMI motor for my Charger and foresee having to go to Mopar for a couple parts. Not because they're the cheapest or they have them in stock, or even that they have good customer service (they have NONE of these). It's because either, 1) they're the only source, or 2) they're the easiest source. Maybe that makes Mopar the lesser of evils.

But because Mopar offers crate HEMIs outside of my personal budget does that mean that Mopar is intentionally trying to insult me? Should Mopar stop offering these engines? No, not in the least. Even though I can't afford one, I'm happy knowing that at least they're still being offered. The day Mopar stops selling Gen II HEMI stuff is the day Mopar REALLY jumps the tracks in my view.

The box sets (the documents set and the t-shirt set) are expensive, and thereby cancel me out as a potential buyer. But, what is included in these sets can or will be sold in piecemeal. When I have the money and when they are made available, I will cherry pick the items I DO want and leave out the rest. That's just being a judicious buyer. Mopar never was THE BEST option for speed parts, restoration parts or the like. They were THE ONLY option for a few years, but never the cheapest or most accessible. Don't let perception cloud your judgement. We would like Mopar to be our "one stop shop," but it never has and it'll never be. It's depressing to acknowledge that, but it's true.

While this is giving Mopar far too much credit, maybe their miserable lack of marketing sense is intentionally designed to encourage aftermarket growth? Mopar doesn't have the budgetary or managerial resources to be a world-leading retailer - maybe they internally realize this and therefore run a sloppy ship to encourage privateers to pick up where they leave off? (I acknowledge this is pure conjecture, but I'll sleep better at night believing that my favorite auto brand isn't ran by nincompoops.)
1969 Dodge Charger R/T, 535ci Wedge, 727 w/ GV, Dana 60
1970 Dodge Super Bee
2004 Jeep Grand Cherokee 4x4
2005 Dodge Ram 1500 SLT HEMI

mauve66

Quote from: Rustymuscle on June 02, 2012, 08:31:30 AM

While this is giving Mopar far too much credit, maybe their miserable lack of marketing sense is intentionally designed to encourage aftermarket growth? Mopar doesn't have the budgetary or managerial resources to be a world-leading retailer - maybe they internally realize this and therefore run a sloppy ship to encourage privateers to pick up where they leave off? (I acknowledge this is pure conjecture, but I'll sleep better at night believing that my favorite auto brand isn't ran by nincompoops.)

if that was the case you would see hundreds of items with the mopar/direct connection logo, they just want too much for their damn licensing of the product to make it feasible for someone to produce it and sell it at a reasonable cost.

have you ever seen the stools that MCG sells??  they are 60-75 buck stool that have listed at over 100 bucks from day one, just like those watches,  they finally started lowering the prices after they didn't sell too well but still not to the point of normal, even if you try to get one at a show so they don't have to ship it back home, the price still doesn't come down cause they still have to make a profit AFTER paying the royalty.

everybody says, "well they won't sell as many so they have to charge more fore each one of them"

bullsh$$

HEMI motor, 12-15K, everything except for the EXTRA valvetrain parts and valve covers shouldn't cost more than any other motor to manufacture
i know they would sell a hell of a lot more hemi motors at 8K than they do at 12-15K,  hell from the dealer you can get a 502 GM for less than 8K and it makes the same horse as the 12K hemi
Robert-Las Vegas, NV

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body work
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powder coat wheels - mauve and black
total wiring
PW
PDLKS
Tint
trim
engine - 520/540, eddy heads, 6pak
alignment

Rustymuscle

Quotehave you ever seen the stools that MCG sells? ...the price still doesn't come down cause they still have to make a profit AFTER paying the royalty.

That's to pay for Rob Wolf's mullet perms. It takes a lot of work to maintain.  :nana:

Quoteeverybody says, "well they won't sell as many so they have to charge more fore each one of them" bullsh$$

Actually, that's completely legit. Whether it's shirts, books, or most any other promotional items, there's an initial tooling cost. The retail price per unit lowers with the larger the quantity sold, because that initial tooling and distribution cost is dispersed over a larger quantity of product. It's Economics 101.

QuoteHEMI motor, 12-15K, everything except for the EXTRA valvetrain parts and valve covers shouldn't cost more than any other motor to manufacture. i know they would sell a hell of a lot more hemi motors at 8K than they do at 12-15K,  hell from the dealer you can get a 502 GM for less than 8K and it makes the same horse as the 12K hemi

I have to agree with you for most of this. Currently, you can purchase a faithful recreation of the 427 L88 all-aluminum big block that made the early C3 Corvettes famous for less than $10K, yet a 425HP 426ci HEMI with near-stock parts is upwards to $14K? Riddle me this one, Batman!

World makes the blocks, Edelbrock makes the heads, waterpumps and intakes, Crane makes the valvetrain and Mopar owns the tooling rights on all of it. Were Mopar to allow the privateers to start selling HEMI products via their own distribution networks, all of us would be swapping out our 440s for Elephants (at least I know I would).
1969 Dodge Charger R/T, 535ci Wedge, 727 w/ GV, Dana 60
1970 Dodge Super Bee
2004 Jeep Grand Cherokee 4x4
2005 Dodge Ram 1500 SLT HEMI

Ghoste

If it were an olive branch it would be something for a wider group.  This is an item for who?  Obviously not too many here and we represent a diverse portion of heritage Charger fanatics.  I imagine Chrysler feels bad for anyone who doens't own a 69 but they can only box up one part of their heritage at a time of course.
Its a nice idea that is being very poorly executed.  You want to do a heritage kit?  Fantastic!  Make up an huge number of them in an unboxed and affordable form and make them for a variety of cars.  After you do this, you can make up the executive level diamond edition limited availability don't call us we'll call you numbered box set for for the handful.

If Chrylser really wants to support their heritage, they could co-operate with the museum.  Then again, the museum had to split off from their ownership to make sure they didn't get broken up and dismantled.

Patronus

I dont know of any Charger owners who would buy this. Noone here is going to buy one, and lets face it, this is where charger people come. Who's on the list then?
'73 Cuda 340 5spd RMS
'69 Charger 383 "Luci"
'08 CRF 450r
'12.5 450SX FE

Dino

What Chrysler believes to be a good idea is not necessarily a good idea to the public. Don't try to find logic behind all this, they just have no clue what the hell they are doing.  Haven't had a clue for quite some time.

I don't even want to spend $15 on the repro instruction manual because that's a few gallons of gas I can go burn out there.  Or you can use that to get another part off the list.  $15 gets you some new a/c button decals or some maintenance stuff.  $375 gets you a whole lot more goodies for your car than that ripoff box.  
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

Fred



Tomorrow is promised to no one.......drive your Charger today.