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Stance - do I need to adjust it?

Started by OldGuy, May 22, 2012, 08:43:47 PM

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OldGuy

We took the rear spring blocks out when we started to resto and it jacked the rear end up.  With the new tires and rims, is it too low in the front?  We can adjust the torsion bars and raise the front end or should we put the rear blocks back on?  Or do both - raise the front end and put the rear blocks back on?
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OldGuy

We need to get the right stance before we do a front end alignment.
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cdr

raise the front 1st,the rear may come down a little after raising front  :Twocents: more weight on rear
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I'd raise the front a touch and lower the rear till the car is just about level. The larger rear tires also ad to the raked look.

motorcitydak

I feel like the front is perfect, the rear just needs to come down. I think a pair of Hotchkis rear springs would be nice on it
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autodynamics

Drop the rear
You look like a high heel shoe now

nvrbdn

your other charger is level riding. lift the front a little and cruise it.
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Indygenerallee

With the "Nascar" wheels it needs to be lower in the back, the front looks great!!!!
Sold my Charger unfortunately....never got it finished.

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bobs66440

I would lower the rear if it doesn't rub... :2thumbs:

1969chargerrtse

Quote from: autodynamics on May 22, 2012, 10:01:22 PM
Drop the rear
You look like a high heel shoe now

:iagree:

I love high heels, just not on a car.
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RIDELIKEHELL

Exactly why I put blocks in my car as I don'tgo  for the jacked up look but thats just my opinion  :shruggy:
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Quote from: OldGuy on May 22, 2012, 08:43:47 PM
We took the rear spring blocks out when we started to resto and it jacked the rear end up.  With the new tires and rims, is it too low in the front?  We can adjust the torsion bars and raise the front end or should we put the rear blocks back on?  Or do both - raise the front end and put the rear blocks back on?

Hi Carl, I'm not sure what you are doing but the NASCAR look should be quite a bit lower in the back and still lower in the front, you're about right for the late 60s & 70s street rod look, maybe even higher in the rear....... the stock look is higher in the front and lower in the rear........ I like the wheel lips just above the front tires and stock height in the rear, which is slightly lower than the front with equal size tires & with slicks it raises the rear just enough to sit level            :2thumbs:
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Quote from: bobs66440 on May 23, 2012, 04:38:49 AM
I would lower the rear if it doesn't rub... :2thumbs:

Alternatively..........more specifically, I would lower the rear and buy tires that fit/don't rub much anyway.  If those are new leaf springs may want to find some old ones and put them in. :Twocents:

RallyeMike

That's all spring out back? Those are definitely not stock arch. I would go with 1-1/2 to 2" lowering blocks in the rear and then riase the front to match the look that you want. I personnally like a little bit of rake from back to front.
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Carl,

Car looks great!

I agree with lower the rear...prob raise the front a tad.

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Quote from: Indygenerallee on May 22, 2012, 10:15:40 PM
With the "Nascar" wheels it needs to be lower in the back, the front looks great!!!!

:yesnod:




Quote from: RECHRGD on May 23, 2012, 10:15:56 AM
Nice color combo.... ;)


:yesnod: :iagree:   :drool5:


whats the wheel & tire sizes ?
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Quote from: tan top on May 23, 2012, 10:19:27 AM

Quote from: Indygenerallee on May 22, 2012, 10:15:40 PM
With the "Nascar" wheels it needs to be lower in the back, the front looks great!!!!

:yesnod:




Quote from: RECHRGD on May 23, 2012, 10:15:56 AM
Nice color combo.... ;)


:yesnod: :iagree:   :drool5:


whats the wheel & tire sizes ?

Front - 15"x7" rims - 245x60x15" tires
Back - 15x10" rims - 275x60x15" tires
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Quote from: RallyeMike on May 23, 2012, 09:47:28 AM
That's all spring out back? Those are definitely not stock arch. I would go with 1-1/2 to 2" lowering blocks in the rear and then riase the front to match the look that you want. I personnally like a little bit of rake from back to front.
RallyeMike - I agree with you and the consensus of others.  Will put the 2" blocks back in and see how far it drops the rear.  Then adjust the bars up front if needed.  I want a little bit of a rake but not an extreme "Joe Dirt" look.
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OldGuy

I would like to get it to about the same level as our 1969 - maybe a tad lower in the rear.
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RallyeMike

QuoteFront - 15"x7" rims - 245x60x15" tires
Back - 15x10" rims - 275x60x15" tires

QuoteRallyeMike - I agree with you and the consensus of others.  Will put the 2" blocks back in and see how far it drops the rear.  Then adjust the bars up front if needed.  I want a little bit of a rake but not an extreme "Joe Dirt" look.

Hope you can make it with those 10's out back. Which wheel manf. is that? You'll need max backspacing on those rims no keep from rubbing the outside of the inner wheel well.

Looks great.

I'm in the process of putting new wheels and tires on my 69, and opted for 8" rims out back (4" BS) with the 275/60/15. I wanted to fit 10's for deep dish look, but it just was not in the cards. Also used 245/60/15 up front like you did.

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RallyeMike:
They are Bassett lightweight racing wheels.
http://bassettwheel.com/dhole_lightweight.html

If you are going with 15"x7" in the front and 15"x8" in the rear, I would go with their DOT street legal rims.
http://bassettwheel.com/dot.html
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Quote from: 1969chargerrtse on May 23, 2012, 05:29:33 AM
Quote from: autodynamics on May 22, 2012, 10:01:22 PM
Drop the rear
You look like a high heel shoe now

:iagree:

I love high heels, just not on a car.

So, does that mean you wear heels?     :nana:        Sorry, I couldn't resist........

But, I do believe the rear on the topic Charger should be lowered... It is too high...................
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Quote from: RallyeMike on May 23, 2012, 01:45:04 PM
QuoteFront - 15"x7" rims - 245x60x15" tires
Back - 15x10" rims - 275x60x15" tires

QuoteRallyeMike - I agree with you and the consensus of others.  Will put the 2" blocks back in and see how far it drops the rear.  Then adjust the bars up front if needed.  I want a little bit of a rake but not an extreme "Joe Dirt" look.

Hope you can make it with those 10's out back. Which wheel manf. is that? You'll need max backspacing on those rims no keep from rubbing the outside of the inner wheel well.

Looks great.

I'm in the process of putting new wheels and tires on my 69, and opted for 8" rims out back (4" BS) with the 275/60/15. I wanted to fit 10's for deep dish look, but it just was not in the cards. Also used 245/60/15 up front like you did.



So long as those 10" rims have 5" of backspace, the 275s will fit in the wells just fine.

OldGuy

The 10" rims have 5" backspacing and they are looking good as far as clearance - sides and top of tires.
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Quote from: Indygenerallee on May 22, 2012, 10:15:40 PM
With the "Nascar" wheels it needs to be lower in the back, the front looks great!!!!
:iagree: Low is the way to go.

b5blue

  Keep in mind any rake effects the front suspension, that rake changes up and down travel to up and forward-down and back due the rake's angle ending up setting the upper control arms at the same rake. It all effects reaction and steering more than you might think.  :scratchchin:  I followed the FSM's height adjustments then had Goodyear set alignment without the offset for road pitch angle and my car rides and handles sweet.
  You can go higher in the front and lower in the rear to adjust for the tire's difference in height and not have castor and camber issues.

Patronus

Glad to see you got em on... :2thumbs:
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If you have clearance lower the rear.
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Indygenerallee

Looks awesome Patronus! You just need a wing and a nosecone and it would be PERFECT!!!  :icon_smile_big:
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Patronus

Quote from: Indygenerallee on May 23, 2012, 06:03:36 PM
Looks awesome Patronus! You just need a wing and a nosecone and it would be PERFECT!!!  :icon_smile_big:

Grazie! We're going to make a low spoiler for the deck lid, front splitter, and windshield clips/straps.. you know..nascar style.
Took it out last night and a small crowd formed.  :D
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Awesome! You oughta put a 500 grille in it!!!
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OldGuy

Quote from: Patronus on May 23, 2012, 05:52:00 PM
Glad to see you got em on... :2thumbs:
Patronus -
Those rims and tires look "evil" on your car...Nice!!
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Patronus

^ thank you sir. . I was a bit worried about the fronts. That 3.625 backspacing had me worried. We tried a 15x7 with 3.5 and it just barely fit... It looks good though. Im running the 295's and they do rub just a little pulling in or out of a crappy driveway.. I will have to slow down.  :icon_smile_blackeye:

Im digging yours too. They really pop with the yellow. Did you get lugs too? One of mine showed up with the wrong pitch. Plus I waited a week or so after they posted to my account and called. Guy called me back three hours later and said they were all tagged and ready to ship, they just never made it into the shipping pile.. WTF? Whatever I guess. I really cannot remember ordering something and not having an "incident." Get that puppy set up and lets do a few laps eh?  :ricky:
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Quote from: OldGuy on May 22, 2012, 08:43:47 PM
We took the rear spring blocks out when we started to resto and it jacked the rear end up.  With the new tires and rims, is it too low in the front?  We can adjust the torsion bars and raise the front end or should we put the rear blocks back on?  Or do both - raise the front end and put the rear blocks back on?

The car looks perfect the way it is.  :coolgleamA:


Don't change a thing. :2thumbs:
Just cruise it. :drive:

Fred

If you like the way it looks leave it. But if it was my car I'd definitely lower it.  :Twocents:


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OldGuy

Quote from: Patronus on May 23, 2012, 08:13:59 PM
^ thank you sir. . I was a bit worried about the fronts. That 3.625 backspacing had me worried. We tried a 15x7 with 3.5 and it just barely fit... It looks good though. Im running the 295's and they do rub just a little pulling in or out of a crappy driveway.. I will have to slow down.  :icon_smile_blackeye:

Im digging yours too. They really pop with the yellow. Did you get lugs too? One of mine showed up with the wrong pitch. Plus I waited a week or so after they posted to my account and called. Guy called me back three hours later and said they were all tagged and ready to ship, they just never made it into the shipping pile.. WTF? Whatever I guess. I really cannot remember ordering something and not having an "incident." Get that puppy set up and lets do a few laps eh?  :ricky:
Glad things worked out for you.  No problem getting the right lugs - I actually bought two extra just in case.  Even with the rear up, the front tires don't rub at all.  Took it in and out of the driveway and around the block a couple of times - no rubbing issues.  There is plenty of clearance around the rear wheel wells with the 275's on the 10" rims.  We plan to throw the 2" blocks on the rear and see how it looks.  Still have a few cosmetic things to do to the car - but we are looking forward to cruising.  My son will drive the 68 and I will take out the 69. 
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65post

I would bring up the front a little and put BIGGER rubber in the back to FILL up those wheel wells......So 70s :2thumbs:
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Quote from: Daytona R/T SE on May 23, 2012, 11:47:40 PM
The car looks perfect the way it is.  :coolgleamA:
Don't change a thing. :2thumbs:
Just cruise it. :drive:
i agree. being a 70s kid, like the jacked up rear look.  :drool5: