Mustang Owner Arrested mid-burnout

[Cooter]

Cooter, you're why this country can't have nice things. Put the hat on and sit in the corner.

You sir, obviously have no clue know what I'm talking about and you your just trolling.
Nice things can be had, as long as you don't break the f*cking law with them.

Schools out have a nice day.

[Cooter]

You're so right! Hell speeding is illegal isn't it? So how about if you go 5 over the speed limit you lose your ride? I like that idea!

At what point did I say only "5 over" lose your ride? Again, trolling...

[Cooter]

Lemme see, I know full and well illeagal Drugs can cost me everything. Confiscated. No questions. I think i'll go out and cook up a batch and when the law (DEA) decides to "Confiscate" EVERYTHING I own (Even if I DID NOT buy it with drug money), I think I'm Gonna b*tch about how wrong it is to allow the law to "Take things" from decent people like myself who clearly knew I was breaking the law, but that shouldn't matter. This is the USA where I can and should be able to get all my possesions back. I mean what kind of country would this be if Drug Lords weren't allowed to keep their Bently's and $60 Million homes?

What kind of country is it where your punishment gets adjusted for how wealthy you are?  What kind of country is it where a Bentley owner loses hundreds of thousands of dollars and a crackhead only loses hundreds of dollars, for the same crime?  

This is nothing less than "income redistribution" by the judicial system.  

Obviously, you missed me here Mike. Funny, most times I'm sillently in agreement with most of your posts. This time however, you have stepped onto the soapbox on this one. NEVER did I even mention anything about "income redistribution" By the law. only thing I was trying to make a point about was the "Law" takes/siezes your assests when you get busted for drugs, so I guess that's kinda "Frowned" upon here too? I really don't know where you read into my post about only punishing the rich by class status. I stand by my original statement. You get busted BREAKING THE F*CKING LAW by excessively speeding, illeagal street racing, or just being a douchebag to a cop that tried to be cool by WARNING your stupid ass, you should lose your ride IMO [See my signature]. Respect for the law people, that's what I'm talking bout here. You can bet if there was a fatality in this sh*t, that punk would have lost that ride.

I can bet one thing, all of you folks seem to take that "We're not gonna take it" attitude while your NOT on the wrong side of the law, but I can guarantee one thing....
You get stopped for going 50 MPH OVER the limit, and I can bet your sweet ass you'll be giving that law officer your complete and sometimes going WAY OVERBOARD, Respect. Funny how some people can shout about "Rights" until they are sitting in their ride starring out the window at a cop ready to take them to jail..All of a sudden, they are like putty in the cops hands. Crying, begging, even going as far as to cuss the cop...All the while headed straight to the same spot, fighting the system or not, shouting about "rights" and all, still headed down the "Kiss the cops ass and hope you aren't going to jail and your ride is impounded" road. Feel free to shout about what an Injustice it is for the law to arrest you and impound your ride..Guess what? It's gonna happen anyway...

Nice try fellas, but you all know what I'm talking about here, you just wanna argue "Rights" over a punk kid that clearly gave up any and all "Rights" to his ride when he refused to obey the law officer and broke the law ANYWAY.

Making sure people that break the law have "Rights" is why we have prisoners in prison for raping little kids, cutting them up and eating them, filing law suits for not getting the proper haircut in prison...

[Drache]

You're so right! Hell speeding is illegal isn't it? So how about if you go 5 over the speed limit you lose your ride? I like that idea!

At what point did I say only "5 over" lose your ride? Again, trolling...

You are pretty much saying through this entire thread that it's ok for the police take someone's car if they are doing something illegal. Speeding even 5 over the posted limit is illegal right? So thus you would be ok with having your car confiscated.

[Mike DC]

Obviously, you missed me here Mike. Funny, most times I'm sillently in agreement with most of your posts. This time however, you have stepped onto the soapbox on this one. NEVER did I even mention anything about "income redistribution" By the law. only thing I was trying to make a point about was the "Law" takes/siezes your assests when you get busted for drugs, so I guess that's kinda "Frowned" upon here too? I really don't know where you read into my post about only punishing the rich by class status. I stand by my original statement. You get busted BREAKING THE F*CKING LAW by excessively speeding, illeagal street racing, or just being a douchebag to a cop that tried to be cool by WARNING your stupid ass, you should lose your ride IMO [See my signature]. Respect for the law people, that's what I'm talking bout here. You can bet if there was a fatality in this sh*t, that punk would have lost that ride.

Look at it this way:  Confiscating a $10,000 car while also giving the offender a $10,000 cash payoff for it would not exactly help stop the crime, would it?  My point is that the "punishment" being levied against the offender is basically a monetary fine, it's just being enacted in a (cruel and) usual way. 

So there you have it.  Two guys, rich and poor, commit the same crime.  The poor guy gets $1K taken from him.  The rich guy gets $100K taken away from him.  How is that not unfair legal punishment?  Would you be in favor of the govt raising your speeding fines depending on how much income you made last year, so that it always costs XX-percent of your yearly income no matter how much you make?  These kinds of confiscations are doing exactly that in principle.

I can bet one thing, all of you folks seem to take that "We're not gonna take it" attitude while your NOT on the wrong side of the law, but I can guarantee one thing....
You get stopped for going 50 MPH OVER the limit, and I can bet your sweet ass you'll be giving that law officer your complete and sometimes going WAY OVERBOARD, Respect. Funny how some people can shout about "Rights" until they are sitting in their ride starring out the window at a cop ready to take them to jail..All of a sudden, they are like putty in the cops hands. Crying, begging, even going as far as to cuss the cop...All the while headed straight to the same spot, fighting the system or not, shouting about "rights" and all, still headed down the "Kiss the cops ass and hope you aren't going to jail and your ride is impounded" road. Feel free to shout about what an Injustice it is for the law to arrest you and impound your ride..Guess what? It's gonna happen anyway...

Nice try fellas, but you all know what I'm talking about here, you just wanna argue "Rights" over a punk kid that clearly gave up any and all "Rights" to his ride when he refused to obey the law officer and broke the law ANYWAY.

I must obey an officer, I don't argue with that.  But "respect" is subjective.  I don't owe the officer that level of "respect".  (Yeah I will normally respect him unless he gives me a reason not to, but that's my personal decision.)  A cop has no right to punish you harder just because you verbally cussed him out while doing what he told you to do.  If you put that to a vote I guarantee the American public would agree with me on this.  If that kid spinning the tires wasn't obeying the cop's commands then there is already an existing charge for that - resisting arrest.  The existing laws already provide plenty of punishment options to stop the kid from doing anything.  We don't need to enact more punishing laws every time someone does something wrong.

From your viewpoint on this, "failure to show respect to an officer" is basically a crime that carries a $1-100,000+ fine.  Let's put it to a vote and see how much of the public agrees with that.  IMHO that is describing something more like a police state.  IMHO it is absolutely inconsistent with the Constitution's basic principles of limited govt.

[69finder]

It's the 'Legal' system, NOT the 'Justice' system.

There is no 'justice' in man made laws.  We just try to do what we try to do and hope to placate the masses (or keep them from Anarchy).    Cooter has pointed out the perfect case against big government.  Eventually you'll have citizens that think it's ok to hand over whatever rights we have, AND be content with it. 

[Cooter]

Look at it this way:  Confiscating a $10,000 car while also giving the offender a $10,000 cash payoff for it would not exactly help stop the crime, would it?  My point is that the "punishment" being levied against the offender is basically a monetary fine, it's just being enacted in a (cruel and) usual way. 

So there you have it.  Two guys, rich and poor, commit the same crime.  The poor guy gets $1K taken from him.  The rich guy gets $100K taken away from him.  How is that not unfair legal punishment?  Would you be in favor of the govt raising your speeding fines depending on how much income you made last year, so that it always costs XX-percent of your yearly income no matter how much you make?  These kinds of confiscations are doing exactly that in principle.




I must obey an officer, I don't argue with that.  But "respect" is subjective.  I don't owe the officer that level of "respect".  (Yeah I will normally respect him unless he gives me a reason not to, but that's my personal decision.)  A cop has no right to punish you harder just because you verbally cussed him out while doing what he told you to do.  If you put that to a vote I guarantee the American public would agree with me on this.  If that kid spinning the tires wasn't obeying the cop's commands then there is already an existing charge for that - resisting arrest.  The existing laws already provide plenty of punishment options to stop the kid from doing anything.  We don't need to enact more punishing laws every time someone does something wrong.

From your viewpoint on this, "failure to show respect to an officer" is basically a crime that carries a $1-100,000+ fine.  Let's put it to a vote and see how much of the public agrees with that.  IMHO that is describing something more like a police state.  IMHO it is absolutely inconsistent with the Constitution's basic principles of limited govt.

I tell you what Mike and the rest, Obviously, you guys missed my point and are trying to turn this into a "Rights/Big Government/whatever" type discussion..I'm one to reallise that if I cuss a cop while doing what I'm told he may not have the "Right" to punish harder, but you can bet your sweet ass it happens. Otherwise, when your in court and things aren't going your way, you could stand up and shout at the Judge/cop/lawyer/etc. Try that one time Public opinion or not, and see how much harder things are for you. Obviously, if I'm gonna get down and wrestle with a pig in the mud, sooner or later you begin to reallise the pig likes it.
You guys go ahead and cuss at cops, do burnouts when a cop has warned you not to,etc. Just hope you don't get caught, and are on the other end of the spectrum, cause all the "preaching" about "rights" and such won't matter.

[Mike DC]

I don't cuss out cops.  Not even when they've done some pretty unfair cussworthy stuff to me. 

I just think that if I did, it shouldn't cost me my car. 




Another issue with the confiscation subject is the timing - it's an officer meting out sentencing by the side of the road.  There is a reason that we normally leave sentencing decisions to a judge.  A judge is a different job which calls for different types of people doing it.  It's a controlled environment with a record of everything being said, both sides show respect for each other, etc. 

The court is time to be fair to everyone and decide what happened.  The arrest is not that time.  During an arrest the emotions are high, there is a real element of danger, and tempers are prone to flaring on both sides.  That's why the rules about who can do what to whom during an arrest need to be carefully thought out and limited.

If the judge decides to fine somebody the price of a car, and the legal system allows that under the general sentencing guidelines for the crime that he was convicted of, and the whole thing is subject to the proper appeals, etc.  .  .  .  that's perfectly fine IMHO.

[Ghoste]

How does cussing out a cop equate to it being okay for "them"  (be it state, municipality, county whatever) to seize my property?  Challenging the police won't help you, I think we are mostly all reasonably intelligent enough to know that.  What I can't seem to able to do is connect that part of your argument to them having a "right"  to take property.   If I understand, you don't see 5 mph as being a "seize-worthy" crime.  Why not?  A law was broken.  What is the limit then?  Who decides?  What if they decide to lower it?  Where does it stop?  You mention drug lords, yes they are terrible people and no sympathy for them, but why stop there?  Does the threat of their ill gotten gains stop them?  No?  Well then clearly the loss of property isn't a deterrent is it?  So what is it?
It's public revenge. Does it change when it is applied to a non drug peddling citizen like the kid in the Mustang?  It wasn't a deterrent.  Your loss caused you to stop street racing.  Good (and thank you btw) but was the threat a deterrent?  Was it a form of state sanctioned revenge?  Should the justice system or local police be engaged in revenge?

[Cooter]

Ghoste,  AGAIN, see my signature. This is My opinion..To all who obviously cannot seem to grasp the concept of "If you can't agree with post here in" please feel free to go straight to hell and do not pass go...Do not collect $200.00...(You see where I'm going with this?")

[Ghoste]

Yes, I've read your disclaimer.  You do realize obviously that it works the other way around too.  Word for word.  

[71 b-body charger]

Yes, I've read your disclaimer.  You do realize obviously that it works the other way around too.  Word for word.

I agree 110%

[Vainglory, Esq.]

Yes, I've read your disclaimer.  You do realize obviously that it works the other way around too.  Word for word.  

He disagrees with you though. So you must be a troll.

[Indygenerallee]

 

[Cooter]

Yes, I've read your disclaimer.  You do realize obviously that it works the other way around too.  Word for word.  

He disagrees with you though. So you must be a troll.

There are ways to disagree without pissing someone off..Since you obviously can't see the difference, .Until You can, you are only coming into this thread for the "Trolling"...Lemme try and help you "Friend" .

[Cooter]

Yes, I've read your disclaimer.  You do realize obviously that it works the other way around too.  Word for word.  

Then we have nothing further to talk about. I see it differently than you..Maybe I didn't make it clear enough in my discalimer? Maybe you replied here twenty some odd times asking me questions trying to discreadit my opinion on this because??
(You see where I'm going with this?)

[Cooter]

Yes, I've read your disclaimer.  You do realize obviously that it works the other way around too.  Word for word.

I agree 110%

And YOU would be?? One post and it this? 

[Ghoste]

The disclaimer is crystal clear as is the direction you are going.  What doesn't seem to be clear is that I have an equal right to disagree with you.  Some call it debate, some call it discussion, some see it as trying to discredit their opinion.  I haven't actually counted the number of times I disagreed with your opinion in this open forum but if you say it is 20 odd I certainly believe you.  I would point out that you replied to me an equal or nearly equal number of times in addition to participating in the dialogue with others who expressed an opinion different from your own.  I didn't take your replies as an affront in any way but I suppose any time there is disagreement on a topic between people it could be taken that one party is hoping to discredit the idea or opinion of another party.  I prefer to see the glass as half full and rather than trying to discredit others, we are all trying instead to promote the idea we each feel more strongly about.
However I do agree with you fully on one point, there is nothing further to discuss here since we have left the original topic and even the tangential topics so far behind that we have spun off into a useless exchange of diatribe about opinion disclaimers and so forth.

[71 b-body charger]

Yes, I've read your disclaimer.  You do realize obviously that it works the other way around too.  Word for word.

I agree 110%

And YOU would be?? One post and it this? 

I had more then one post on this and its true the disclaimer works both ways, people dont realize you have to read between then lines

[Stretch]

I'm sorry but doing that burnout with all those people around was stupid! The other cars just "chirped" the tires (still stupid with all those people around) What if one of the mustangs tires came apart? What if the drive shaft let go? What if the engine came apart? What if the clutch blew? What if he just flat lost it?

Where would you stand on this if one of those things happened and a family member of YOURS was killed?

I'm guessing the kid was cuffed because he took it too far and didn't stop. I'm also guessing that with all that smoke and the heat of the moment he had no idea it was a officer taping him on the sholder telling him to stop.

Stupid as the act was, you have to admit that 'stang sounded pretty dam good doing it.

As for the crowd, Not much respect there either.

[aussiemuscle]

IMHO it falls under "cruel & unusual" stuff.  If they wanna fine you $30,000 then they should fine you $30,000 - not decide to take a specific piece of $30,000 property from you instead of issuing any monetary fine.  Keeping it in dollars and cents keeps the authorities from making anything too personal.  And it keeps everything honest & clear about how much the authorities are really taking from people.  IMHO the USA was founded on these kinds of principles.   

In Australia, they not only impound your car, they also (instead of on-selling it) stick it in the crusher! 
They've even gone so far as to impound rentals and even cars that were used without the owners consent (eg mechanic taking their car for a 'test drive').