Banjo Matthews - Holman-Moody Parts Motherload

[nitrometal]

How would you like to own a piece of history like this?  I hope that, just like the seller wants, that this display stays together.  I can't even imagine what the reserve would be on something like this.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=290709588135&fromMakeTrack=true&ssPageName=VIP:watchlink:top:en#v4-41

Banjo Trailer

Parts List



1 ea N.O.S. Talladega Rocker Panel Galvinized Driver side

1 ea N.O.S. 69 Torino Rocker Panel Galvynized Passenger Side

3 ea N.O.S. 69 Torino Rocker Panels Red Oxide Driver side

2 ea N.O.S 69 Torino Rocker panels Red Oxide Passenger side

1 ea N.O.S Driver Side Quarter panel Red Oxide

1 ea N.O.S. NASCAR COWL PLENUM AIR CLEANER UNCUT

1 ea NASCAR 4 BBL COWL PLENUM AIR CLEANER WITH RUBER SEAL

1 ea NASCAR 2X4BBL COWL PLENUM AIR CLEANER WITH VYNLE SEAL AND ZIPPER

1 ea WOODEN OIL PAN (full size model/ prototype)

4 ea STAMPED NASCAR RACING 1969 TALLADEGA ALUMINUM HEADLIGHT BEZELS HEADLIGHTS OPEN

1 ea STAMPED NASCAR RACING 1969 TALLADEGA ALUMINUM HEADLIGH BEZEL HEADLIGHTS BLOCKED

1 ea NASCAR HEADLIGHT BEZEL WITH SCREENS

6 SETS OF NASCAR RACING SHEET ALUMINUM REAR QUARTER EXTENSIONS

1 ea NASCAR RACING SHEET ALUMINUM REAR QUARTER EXTENSION DRIVER SIDE

2 ea NASCAR RACING TALLADEGA HEADER PANELS

1 ea NOS 1969 TALLADEGA REAR BUMPER

2 ea N.O.S. 1969 TALLADEGA HOLMAN & MOODY WRAPED FRONT BUMPERS

1 ea 1969 TALLADEGA FRONT RACE BUMPER WITH SCREENS AND DUCTS

4 ea N.O.S. TALLADEGA FRONT BUMPERS

5 ea N.O.S. DRIVER SIDE TALLADEGA DRIVER SIDE FENDERS

3 ea N.O.S. FORD WRAPED SPOILER II LONG NOSE PASSENGER SIDE FRONT FENDERS

5 ea N.O.S. FORD WRAPED SPOILER II LONG NOSE DRIVER SIDE FRONT FENDERS

2 ea N.O.S. TALLADEGA DRIVER SIDE DOORS

2 sets 1969 TALLADEGA NASCAR RACE DOORS LEFT AND RIGHT

1 ea N.O.S. DRIVERSIDE DOOR CUT FOR RACING

2 sets 1969 TALLADEGA NASCAR RACE FRONT FENDERS

1 ea "BANJO'S" FLOOR MAT

1 ea "WHERE MONEY BUYS SPEED" FLOOR MAT

[hemi68charger]

That's awesome !!!!

[70Sbird]

WOW!
Pretty Amazing collection/display

[tan top]

wow !! what a collection , wonder if there are any collections like that with Race Daytona stuff 

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[Indygenerallee]

Any guesses as to what this collection will bring?? I know the Talledegas are rare last time I saw one "In the wild" was here in our town about 14 years ago, but how rare are they compared to a 500 or Daytona??? It looks as this trailer was a exhibit the way it is laid out, Im not a Ford guy but I would jump if I could get my hands on a Talledega!!Awesome cars!!

[jonw29]

Jason is a great friend of mine and I HATE to see this go.He sold to the Banjo car to a guy from Texas and it is VERY likely that the car will NEVER be seen again.I hope that whoever it is that buys it is an enthusiast and not just a collector.

[Highbanked Hauler]

        WOW, thats right up there with seeing a  Unicorn

[superbirdtom]

Jason is a great friend of mine and I HATE to see this go.He sold to the Banjo car to a guy from Texas and it is VERY likely that the car will NEVER be seen again.I hope that whoever it is that buys it is an enthusiast and not just a collector.

              He probably took a screwin by the collector  so I hope he gets a fortune from these parts

[Aero426]

        WOW, thats right up there with seeing a  Unicorn

You'll never see another parts cache like this again.    I hope it is ultimately able to stay together as a display.   

[moparstuart]

        WOW, thats right up there with seeing a  Unicorn

You'll never see another parts cache like this again.    I hope it is ultimately able to stay together as a display.   

that would be awesome in a nascar Museum

[learical1]

You'll never see another parts cache like this again.    I hope it is ultimately able to stay together as a display.   

that would be awesome in a nascar Museum

Question:  If these were Daytona/SuperBird parts, would you prefer the factory stock parts (not the race only parts) in a museum or on a Daytona/SuperBird needing a repair?  What about for a clone?   

[jonw29]

OUCH!!!! JMHO but I cant see wasting all of that sexy NOS stuff on a clone.Again JMHO.

[Aero426]

OUCH!!!! JMHO but I cant see wasting all of that sexy NOS stuff on a clone.Again JMHO.

A couple years ago, there was a guy building a Daytona clone out of NOS parts bought from Nichels Engineering long ago.   Some of them had the Nichels labels still on them.   The fellow had almost everything except a hood.   It was a pretty impressive collection.   Not sure if the car was ever completed, but they did get started on it.  

[C5HM]

There just aren't that many folks with the old NASCAR sickness (I've got  a severe case and I fear I infected Doug...or at least exacerbated his condition). The cars, even when completed are mostly door stops with few places to race and few venues where they are welcome. There are few real deal   cars around and those geniune cars that do exist and have been correctly restored are degraded by the ever increasing number of mostly execrable fakes that have popped up for "museum display". So, the market for old NASCAR cars is small...(and was so even before all of this hope and change we are experiencing in the economy). At present, that market seems to be non-existent. A running and sorted replica 1962 NASCAR Galaxie (with a 427 under the hood) brought only 27 K at a reccent auction and that is the ONLY old NASCAR (real or otherwise) car that has sold in the last 24 months (that I am aware of anyway...). The parts and the trailer, while way cool, have zero utility. There is but one known surviving GN Talladega and it is already complete. So, the parts are not needed by anyone other than a clone builder. The sole function for the trailer and all of its parts is to take up space...except the few times a year it can serve as a conversation piece at a show. That's too bad. But that's the way it is. If I were Jason, I would have taken the 45K top bid and run with it (assuming that bid was the real deal, natch).

[superbirdtom]

What are you restoring there?

[C5HM]

What are you restoring there?

Holman Moody chassis C4HM-10041, the 1964 H&M "House Car"



It is a symptom of my sickness, I am afraid.  Don't stand too close...look what happened to Doug

[odcics2]

Doc - Totally agree with you.   Clone race cars degrade the few real ones left.   There is a lot of hype on this site about building clone Birds and Daytonas.... And then one wonders why a certain V2 REAL Daytona can't get a real price for what it is...   Without clones, it most likely would have sold already.   

[superbirdtom]

What are you restoring there?

Holman Moody chassis C4HM-10041, the 1964 H&M "House Car"



It is a symptom of my sickness, I am afraid.  Don't stand too close...look what happened to Doug

  thats awesome  lucky man!

[Indygenerallee]

"Doc - Totally agree with you.   Clone race cars degrade the few real ones left.   There is a lot of hype on this site about building clone Birds and Daytonas.... And then one wonders why a certain V2 REAL Daytona can't get a real price for what it is...   Without clones, it most likely would have sold already."

Boo hoo, Really? Complaining about clones driving down the price of the "real thing"? not so, for one with the economy in the state it is and alot of folks don't have that kind of disposable income anymore and it's not gonna recover for a long time (if ever!!) For one I would rather drive a well built clone instead of the "real deal" cheaper and I can build it and drive it the way I want and not have any regrets about smashing a original up if ever in a accident, plus with a original car you really can't modify it any without worrying about destroying the value of it. So personally for me it's a no brainer clone all the way.... 

[moparstuart]

"Doc - Totally agree with you.   Clone race cars degrade the few real ones left.   There is a lot of hype on this site about building clone Birds and Daytonas.... And then one wonders why a certain V2 REAL Daytona can't get a real price for what it is...   Without clones, it most likely would have sold already."

Boo hoo, Really? Complaining about clones driving down the price of the "real thing"? not so, for one with the economy in the state it is and alot of folks don't have that kind of disposable income anymore and it's not gonna recover for a long time (if ever!!) For one I would rather drive a well built clone instead of the "real deal" cheaper and I can build it and drive it the way I want and not have any regrets about smashing a original up if ever in a accident, plus with a original car you really can't modify it any without worrying about destroying the value of it. So personally for me it's a no brainer clone all the way.... 

  and mine is even made with real parts thus robbing someone else from putting them on an original bird . 

[odcics2]

Well, I'll buy either of your clones for $100K each, cash, sight unseen.    I'll pay you in 'clone' money.

You guys shouldn't have a problem with that, since clones are so great.   LOL !!       

[moparstuart]

Well, I'll buy either of your clones for $100K each, cash, sight unseen.    I'll pay you in 'clone' money.

You guys shouldn't have a problem with that, since clones are so great.   LOL !!       

i'll keep mine as you can call it a clone , but i payed real money to build it and its not forsale . 

[Troy]

It seems like there's some confusion (or a case of not actually reading). These parts are for race cars and I believe that's what the conversation was about - not cloned street cars. The market for real race cars seems very weak but I don't follow it closely at all. You can't hardly drive the things anywhere and I'm not the type of person to stick a very large, very expensive collector's piece in my garage and let it sit. I agree that these parts probably aren't worth much other than the "neato" factor whenever you trot them out to a show. In that case, I'd rather see them on a "clone" that can actually be driven. I'd probably save a set of the nicer ones for museum use in the future.

Troy

[Aero426]

The NOS wrapped fenders are quite valuable.  I assume they are uncut.    It would not be hard to find a number of Talladega and Spoiler II restoration projects that could use them.   But as mentioned before, splitting it all up would be a bit of a shame.   But you probably don't need 13 (!) NOS fenders to get the point of the display across.  The fenders individually are worth something similar to what Superbird or Daytona NOS fenders would be and a large chunk of the current bid alone.    

 

[odcics2]

My original reply was to affirm Dr. Crafts reply.
I shouldn't have mention anything to do with street car values being degraded by clones.
From what I have read over the many years, the clone car subject has been flogged to death!

[moparstuart]

My original reply was to affirm Dr. Crafts reply.
I shouldn't have mention anything to do with street car values being degraded by clones.
From what I have read over the many years, the clone car subject has been flogged to death!

Whats the most cloned car out there ?  shelby cobra  right  , well i dont see the clones hurting the original cars  value anytime soon .   

[Indygenerallee]

I really don't give a flip what the guy does with the stuff. If he keeps it together or parts it out, and I would have no problem seeing it go on a clone race car.

[pettybird]

My original reply was to affirm Dr. Crafts reply.
I shouldn't have mention anything to do with street car values being degraded by clones.
From what I have read over the many years, the clone car subject has been flogged to death!

Whats the most cloned car out there ?  shelby cobra  right  , well i dont see the clones hurting the original cars  value anytime soon .   

probably not many $12,995 Factory Five Roadsters wearing NOS Shelby parts, though...

[odcics2]

Well, I emailed a Cobra owner and his reply is below.  It's funny how he calls clone Cobras "Kobras"
My question contained moparstuarts comment.  I simply asked his opinion as a long time owner.  His reply is below...



i actually own 4 and have owned 9. yes the Kobras have had an affect on the Cobras. they never seem to break into that upper echelon in value and desirability. the guys who overpay dont buy cobras because their neighbor has one....even though the neighbor built his Kobra. back in the day i stopped showing locally as not only did they put all cobras/kobras together...the owners then and still today of Kobras ALL stand by their cars claiming originality. it's a weird thing. i didn't mature enough to not let thing bother me until i turned 50. then again....it still irritates me.

In a message dated 5/21/2012 6:15:08 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, odcics2@comcast.net writes:

    What do you think of this statement?

    "Whats the most cloned car out there ?  shelby cobra  right  , well i dont see the clones hurting the original cars  value anytime soon ."


    Your comment, as an owner of a real one, will be kept private

[moparstuart]

Real cobra's are not in the upper echelon  of collectibility ? what ??   what is this guy smoking .  He wants to be a ferrari or bugati

Just another car snob not happy with what he thinks his car should be worth , Look at the prices of real cobra's and i beg to differ .      


  If anything I think all the cobra clones make the "REAL " ones that much more sought after for the crowd that can afford them .  I know I sure cant , hell i been chasing a real bird forever and have not caught one yet let alone a daytona .

[pettybird]

cobra/Kobra guy sounds like a douche. 

[Redbird]

With collectors emphasis on "theme museums" like Steve Juliano's sign/poster, Tim Welborne's 1971 Charger/Dealership and the like. It would seem that someone would or will want to do a early stock car theme or exhibit. The Chrysler kit car in boxes and this would fit right in. The trailer seems too late a model to fit in except to sell off.

[Aero426]

The trailer is newer, but it is the one that went to the race track in the later days.    Definitely one of the last vestiges of Banjo's car building business after the H-M glory days. 

[moparstuart]

 The stuff is a great slice of history and would be amazing if it could be kept together in a museum setting .
Bill Smith from speedway motors in lincoln nebraska has done an amazing job of collecting stuff and perserving it for is to see .  We were just up there and if you wanna know about model T's and racing them and all the aftermarket parts that were availible for them it was amazing .

     http://www.museumofamericanspeed.com/default.dlp

 

[richRTSE]

Your comment, as an owner of a real one, will be kept private

[moparstuart]

Your comment, as an owner of a real one, will be kept private

[Hemi Runner]

I'm not sure if my project is a Clone or a Klone Is it a Superbird or a Zuperbird I'm getting cornfused

[Aero426]

The stuff is a great slice of history and would be amazing if it could be kept together in a museum setting .
Bill Smith from speedway motors in lincoln nebraska has done an amazing job of collecting stuff and perserving it for is to see .  We were just up there and if you wanna know about model T's and racing them and all the aftermarket parts that were availible for them it was amazing .

     http://www.museumofamericanspeed.com/default.dlp

 

He has nice stuff.  Would love to see it. 

[moparstuart]

The stuff is a great slice of history and would be amazing if it could be kept together in a museum setting .
Bill Smith from speedway motors in lincoln nebraska has done an amazing job of collecting stuff and perserving it for is to see .  We were just up there and if you wanna know about model T's and racing them and all the aftermarket parts that were availible for them it was amazing .

     http://www.museumofamericanspeed.com/default.dlp

 

He has nice stuff.  Would love to see it. 

not done posting pictures yet but here are a few
   http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,91744.0.html

  we could have spent 3 weeks there and not read about all of it   , just an amazing place but after a 3 1/2 hour tour we were worn slick .

[Indygenerallee]

Hemi runner, it's only a Zuperbird if it was built in Germany!!!