Market that low? Come on,,,,

[hemi68charger]

well troy i am sorry to hear that your car has not sold,but we can put a 4 speed in & paint it green.if that dont work for ya i'd be glad to come get that car out of your way

If I was to do anything to it from OEM, it would involved the numbers; "4", "2" & "6".......... 

[cdr]

OK sounds like a plan

[hotrod98]

If you decide to go hemi, don't buy an MP hemi crate motor. They're total crap. Spend the cash and get Ray Barton or someone comparable to build you a nice piece.
I would consider a hemi for my bird but the thing is, my six barrel gets decent fuel mileage and I hate to give that up.
As for Mecum, it's $1000 for a decent spot on Saturday and 7%. If you ever go that route, be sure and set the reserve high. Mecum likes to play games. Don't ask me how I know 

[WINGIN IT]

well troy i am sorry to hear that your car has not sold,but we can put a 4 speed in & paint it green.if that dont work for ya i'd be glad to come get that car out of your way

Ha, and your friend only has to drop a 4 speed in since it's already green.
Droppin' a hemi in it AND a 4 speed and she'll be gone before you know it ...

As for auctions, it's a crap shoot, unless you're a high roller and have an "in" as a buyer/seller.
And I thought Mecum's was the more reputible of the bunch.. guess not...

[Highbanked Hauler]

 Give it hell Troy,426-5spd. roll cage and go out and run with the  71 car.

[hemi68charger]

Give it hell Troy,426-5spd. roll cage and go out and run with the  71 car.

That would be fun. Actually, Gary and Pam from 71wingcars.com used to own my current C500. I know them and that probably wouldn't be too far off being able to be done......... But, I'd rather hang with them on a drive over to Talladega or Daytona and put the "pedal to the metal".. 

[charger500440]

Troy,

I don't post on the site too often but I often look through the aero posts with great interest. First of all, I'd keep the Daytona and the 500 if I were you but I can see what you'd like to do. Either way, I'm sure you'll end up with what you're looking for.

If I could make a suggestion to you: I would highly recommend changing your Daytona's wheels and tires for stock ones. As you can see from the photo of my SE, I have the same wheels and tires you have and I love them for driving the car. But if I was to sell it, I'd make it look as stock as humanly possible. In looking at what is trending in the market now, originality is key. It's not to say you'll get the price you're looking for but I think it may help. Not to mention, it's an easy thing to change once you've snapped a few photos.

Good luck no matter what...

Mike

[RIDELIKEHELL]

I have seen your car on ebay and can't believe it has sold but the market is funny right now ...keep positive 

[Beep Beep Dave]

I don't want to ruffle any feathers and of course you can dismiss it if you like but here it goes...

1st the car has been for sale for a long time in many different circles and hasn't sold...it is quite simply priced above the market. If its truly for sale you need to adjust the price.

2nd the way your ad reads (to me) is that you are only interested in getting top dollar for your car. You aren't committed to selling it, you have another car in mind, so even in your mind its a second pick. That really doesn't read well. Either its for sale or its not. I am not willing to put my time, resources and efforts into persuing a car only to potentially have the rug pulled out from under me. Make your car the prize. You don't want it....why would I?

3rd freshen up the ad, change the pics, keep it to your car only, limit it to a couple of glamour shots, and then some of the meat and potatoes, trunk without the mat, rear quarters, undercarriage, engine bay, interior, fender tag, any documentation you have. Again keep it to your car only. Show the great features...original nosecone, quarters, floor pans etc...nice big picture of the Dana wouldn't hurt either. You can't keep running out the same losing team out on the field and expect them to win. Change it up!

Dave



 

[Redbird]

I'll say the same thing. You seem to want top dollar for a car you don't want in order to get the same model car in a better condition, that presumably you will buy on the low end of the sales scale, then tell folks how much better the new car is. If I knew someone looking for a Daytona I would strongly recommend he just go to the other guy.

[hemi68charger]

I don't want to ruffle any feathers and of course you can dismiss it if you like but here it goes...

1st the car has been for sale for a long time in many different circles and hasn't sold...it is quite simply priced above the market. If its truly for sale you need to adjust the price.

2nd the way your ad reads (to me) is that you are only interested in getting top dollar for your car. You aren't committed to selling it, you have another car in mind, so even in your mind its a second pick. That really doesn't read well. Either its for sale or its not. I am not willing to put my time, resources and efforts into persuing a car only to potentially have the rug pulled out from under me. Make your car the prize. You don't want it....why would I?

3rd freshen up the ad, change the pics, keep it to your car only, limit it to a couple of glamour shots, and then some of the meat and potatoes, trunk without the mat, rear quarters, undercarriage, engine bay, interior, fender tag, any documentation you have. Again keep it to your car only. Show the great features...original nosecone, quarters, floor pans etc...nice big picture of the Dana wouldn't hurt either. You can't keep running out the same losing team out on the field and expect them to win. Change it up!

Dave
 

Luckily, for me, I'm not in a position where I need to sell it. I do believe my ad is proper and there's nothing to hide in me telling why I want to sell it. In my eye, it's better than not saying anything and people "wondering" why I want to sell......... Nowhere I have ever said that the car I wish to get is in better shape than mine (actually, it is damn nice too). I only state it is the same color as the one my Dad bought new. My goal from the very beginning was to find a car as close to Dad's as possible. So, in the meantime, if I end up with a killer V2 440 auto, it's still good. I enjoy my V2 very much. People can read into it anyway they wish, no problem... But, if some one thinks I'll pull the rug out from under them based on an ad without calling or communicating, that's their bad. You're correct, their time is valuable,,,,,, so is mine.......... I have a lot of pictures of the car, both on the ad and in the photo album link. I don't need to "prove" to anyone my intentions on selling the car. My words speak for themselves and if someone wants to question my sincerity, so be it. One could make that argument on any ad. I don't think the people who have had their car on as much as mine are "recreational-ebayers". I know where I stand. I agree with the pictures changing it up, but disagree with the comment on features. I have posted pictures of everything you mentioned. If someone wants a car of this caliber and price, they had better either ask for more or come and test drive it. Not sure what you mean about not being committed on selling. I know I want to sell, I don't need to lower the price to prove that. Granted, if I wanted to move it quicker, than yes, I would need to lower the price. But, I'll go against the paradigm on this one. Lordy, if I didn't want to sell, I wouldn't be placing the ad so much. Believe me, I don't need an ebay ad to see my car, I can just go into the garage.

It all boils down to a limited number of people with sort-of-unlimited amounts of money to spend on a "hobby". Also, it's going to take someone who's not brain-washed into this Corvette-Barrett-Jackson-original-motor mentality.

Oh well...... I don't have any problem keep pushing forward.......... The manner in which I've done things thus far has proved to be quite fruitful for me........ My gut hasn't let me down yet.. Not too many people can say they have a Daytona and C500 with less than $50K invested...

I have absolutely NOTHING to loose, soooo, why not? I'm just surprised at the market, that's all..........

I'll say the same thing. You seem to want top dollar for a car you don't want in order to get the same model car in a better condition, that presumably you will buy on the low end of the sales scale, then tell folks how much better the new car is. If I knew someone looking for a Daytona I would strongly recommend he just go to the other guy.

Wow........ You got me pegged................... Not.......... I seem to want what I think is fair..... Others may think it's top-dollar. Pretty presumptuous to think I'll be buying low and then brag about the new car's condition? Really? Do I know you? You would send someone looking for a Daytona to the "other" guy?    Like there's a lot of "other-guy" Daytonas out there priced and in a condition like mine to choose from..........  For all those looking to buy and who think I'm asking too much, great....... I'll congratulate them when they get theirs, whenever that might be.

Ok,, time for bed............ Night night everyone.....  

[hotrod98]

I hadn't thought about it before, but if you take into consideration what I had in the two cars that I sold to buy the bird, I have around 30K in the Black Ice bird. I suddenly feel much better.     Wait...I was offered 100K for the bird about a year ago. Okay, I don't feel as well as I did. 

Hang in there Troy. The right buyer just hasn't seen your ad yet.

[odcics2]

Apparently, numbers matching does matter to a lot of folks on production cars.  And, I assume, as the price goes up, so does the importance. 

[hemi68charger]

Apparently, numbers matching does matter to a lot of folks on production cars.  And, I assume, as the price goes up, so does the importance. 

I couldn't agree more........... It is this same realization that limits what I'm asking...... Stinks, but it is true. Unfortunately, there aren't too many cars out there with their original motor/tranny. And, if they do have them; they cost much more, they've either had major reconstructive surgery or need it.

I hadn't thought about it before, but if you take into consideration what I had in the two cars that I sold to buy the bird, I have around 30K in the Black Ice bird. I suddenly feel much better.     Wait...I was offered 100K for the bird about a year ago. Okay, I don't feel as well as I did. 

Hang in there Troy. The right buyer just hasn't seen your ad yet.

You know me all too well..    Just as Styx once sung about, "Ne dis jamais jamais"  Never say never......... 

[1BAD68]

I just looked at the completed auction and the ad looks fine to me. It's nice to see that it didn't go into the entire Nascar history and just got to the important points about the car.
Unfortunately the market that this car falls into is the small one where those very few buyer's want all the number's matching, date coding nonsense to be there.
I sold a A12 Bee back in '04 and found out real quick how people with that kind of money can be very anal about the stupidest things.
In my opinion the ad is good, the car is awesome and you just have to be patient. Eventually someone will make an offer and you'll sell it.

[hemi68charger]

... Eventually someone will make an offer and you'll sell it.

As long as it is before any sale of the one I want to get..... 

Otherwise, it is OFF the block... Unless there's a family emergency, I'll always have a Daytona in my garage....... Thanks for the compliment on the ad.... I thought the videos added a litte something too. Rarely do you see videos in an ad, especially when a car's in it's natural environment, the street cruising !!!   

[charger_fan_4ever]

Seems like most car guys with the aero cars have owned them for years bought them back when they were cheap. The average car guy today in the "younger generation" does not have the means to dump 6 figures into a toy. Add in the fact that most people 30 and younger don't seem to have the muscle car fever. Higher prices and fewer potential buyers I'd say are the two main factors. Don't think its anything to do with your car in general. The F6 car is 25k less and hasn't sold either.

At the 6 figure level it is more of the rich collectors buying and putting in a museum. Not a car guy that will drive it to shows.

[6pkrunner]

The ad is fine Troy. Doesn't reek of desperation. It's all in the market and as you are finding out it sucks. There is the glass ceiling where some will just not venture fearing the future. If the world gets out of its financial funk, you will sell it.

And as others said so far - there is someone who will take it as she is for what you want. Finding them is the beeotch.

[BigBlockSam]

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[gtx6970]

Troy I am not knocking the ca rin any way shape or form.
and I know the car only by pictures and descriptions so my opinion might change with an in person look see.

BUT,

Buyers with expendable cash have gotten picky on what they want so the less than perfect examples get left behind.  I've said it before and will continue to do so, quality sells in any market. ( I know of  several higher ends sales in the past 12-24 months ( not all Mopars either btw )
 
1, The car is orange , black int and an auto- All probably the easiest to find for someone looking for a Daytona. Thus making it in a lot of competition,,, possibly with some that NEED to sell.

2,, Non matching numbers WILL hurt it to some , especially the higher end collectors seeking quality. Again it will come back to avail cars on the market at that particular buyers time frame ( see line 1 )

3,,, the car has been over exposed, pull the add and enjoy it for a year or so and if you still want that 4 spd car, try again and hopefully the market will have changed.

Also, changing it to Hemi and maybe a 4 spd will add desireability, but I have my doubts it will add value high enough to offset the cost of said upgrade. IMO, it would take nearly $25K to do it right, and doubt it'll add that much value to the car. and you WILL eliminate any potential buyers seeking  correctness. A friend of mine is weighing that option right now, and he already has the hemi in the car. Plus his is a B5 blue car and factory 4 spd car

my   and nothing more

[resq302]

Troy, I kinda have to agree with Bill on this.  Lets face it, how often have you been looking for something only to not find it and then basically give up.  Then when you are not "looking" for something, 2 or more examples appear and basically hit you in the face.

[hemi68charger]

I agree with everything.. My only concern is time in being able to sell mine in order to get the other one.. It is sort of dependent on something else. I agree about the non-matching part and V2 color, but with that being said, Daytonas for sale are few and far in between (regardless of color or original drivetrain).. I may try another approach and that doesn't work, then I'll save up for a Hemi and be done with it... 

[resq302]

Troy, if I had the extra coin, I would buy yours in a heart beat!  Hell, I wish I had the money to buy Johns F6 one but couldn't.  I wouldn't care if it had a numbers matching engine, drive train or what, as long as I would be able to say that I own a daytona!  For now I will have to "settle" for my base model 383 4 bbl 4 spd car.   

[hemi68charger]

Troy, if I had the extra coin, I would buy yours in a heart beat!  Hell, I wish I had the money to buy Johns F6 one but couldn't.  I wouldn't care if it had a numbers matching engine, drive train or what, as long as I would be able to say that I own a daytona!  For now I will have to "settle" for my base model 383 4 bbl 4 spd car.   

Settle as you may, your car is VERY cool....

[ksquared]

I don't want to ruffle any feathers and of course you can dismiss it if you like but here it goes...

1st the car has been for sale for a long time in many different circles and hasn't sold...it is quite simply priced above the market. If its truly for sale you need to adjust the price.

2nd the way your ad reads (to me) is that you are only interested in getting top dollar for your car. You aren't committed to selling it, you have another car in mind, so even in your mind its a second pick. That really doesn't read well. Either its for sale or its not. I am not willing to put my time, resources and efforts into persuing a car only to potentially have the rug pulled out from under me. Make your car the prize. You don't want it....why would I?

3rd freshen up the ad, change the pics, keep it to your car only, limit it to a couple of glamour shots, and then some of the meat and potatoes, trunk without the mat, rear quarters, undercarriage, engine bay, interior, fender tag, any documentation you have. Again keep it to your car only. Show the great features...original nosecone, quarters, floor pans etc...nice big picture of the Dana wouldn't hurt either. You can't keep running out the same losing team out on the field and expect them to win. Change it up!

Dave
 

Luckily, for me, I'm not in a position where I need to sell it. I do believe my ad is proper and there's nothing to hide in me telling why I want to sell it. In my eye, it's better than not saying anything and people "wondering" why I want to sell.........

Since the discussion is still continuing, I thought I would add my opinion, strictly as a non-expert of Aero Cars but having sold on eBay for awhile, and definitely not to ruffle any feathers of people involved with these great cars.

First, the ad was not good, for the following reasons which have nothing to do with how long the car has been on the market.

1.  A very high Buy It Now price killed any chance of interest.  Was a price of $150,000 realistic to expect for the car?  If not, and more importantly if people perceived it as not, it is just a free ad from somebody either trying to see what the car was worth without really wanting to sell it, or somebody hoping that some joker would come along and overpay for it.  Both ways don't help endear the car to the public.

2.  From my reading of the ad, I came away with the idea that the car was "fun," which to me means it has been abused/thrashed without regard to the future buyer.  If instead of "fun," why not say, "This car has allowed me to enjoy some of the best moments I could have imagined, such as driving on a historic racetrack in front of thousands of people reliving the days when these cars were the ultimate machines."  Compare the eBay ad to an ad that hemigeno would put in if his car was for sale.

3.  Legally, these reserve ads are potential problems.  If you read eBay's user agreement, it says that people should have "fun" (their words) and the bids are non-binding.  I have run into this problem myself, with an eBay veteran giving me advice that time.  If you REALLY want to sell it, it really should be listed as "No Reserve."  People know you're serious, and the interest lasts the entire auction.  But also, the initial bid must be set low enough that you would be unhappy selling it at that price.  And if only one person bids, you've got to follow through with the sale.

4.  eBay is so unpredictable that it could go to $85,000 one week, and relisted two weeks later go to $120,000.  But, from this auction, and without an extensive research into Daytona prices, I would estimate the true market value at $108,000 to $112,000.  That is the $86,000 final bid, increased about 25% or so.  The people on eBay many times expect people to be desperate to sell.  I think the bidders are the ones dreaming, but who knows, maybe sometimes somebody gets something to keep their dreams going.  Would the car have sold with a Buy It Now of $108,000?  Maybe 10 people would have tried.  At $112,000 maybe 3 people?  At $120,000, ?  At $150,000, 0.

I definitely wouldn't criticize the car for the color, the wing color, the automatic transmission, or even the interior color.  It is really what your definition of "common" is.  So of the 503 made, 100 are this color??  So 100 cars on earth are common?  My opinion is that any Daytona, any color, any transmission is uncommon and interesting.  I suppose when the people who live for these cars go to shows and see 10 of the 100 together it appears common?

Finally, if I remember somewhere it was posted that Troy only had $50,000 into a combination of a Daytona and a Charger 500.  That is not correct.  What about all the expenses that have gone along with the cars?  The fact that a person makes a good trade does not make the car worth less or more than what a buyer would pay.  What about the time-value of the money that was spent on the car years ago?  What about the time spent maintaining/repairing/upgrading things on the car?  Would the car be more valuable if Troy had traded a pristine original Tucker for the Daytona? 

So, as somebody who does more reading here than posting, I hope that it is understood that this is more only my suggestions attempting to be helpful.