The black box on all new cars starting 2015

[chargerboy69]

Is anyone surprised they are actually doing this, I am not.

http://www.infowars.com/mandatory-big-brother-black-boxes-in-all-new-cars-from-2015/

[Indygenerallee]

Nope. Next they will want to put one in your head and it will be product number 666.

[bull]

No surprise. And for this reason and many more I'd rather just buy an older car and rebuild it.

[Charger RT]

there are already cars out there logging crash data. I would guess this just sets the rules to it.
http://www.airbagcrash.com/sdmairbagtechinfo.html
Tim

[404NOTFOUND]

Nope. Next they will want to put one in your head and it will be product number 666.

You said it. Most people won't see it that way but, that's what this really is about.

[68 Bullitt Charger]

Hopefully Everyone no longer buy's the 2015 Cars and teach the Govm't and Car Maker's a lesson. That sounds like an evasion of privacy IMO.

[TruckDriver]

No surprise. And for this reason and many more I'd rather just buy an older car and rebuild it.

[Mike DC]

Just wait till it gets used against you in court.  It's already happening. 

[440]

It's no different to the rental and insurance companies using the gps against us. Big brother is trying to watch everything we do and it's only going to get worse. Soon we will all be puppets controlled by the government.

[Indygenerallee]

We won't be puppets we will be slaves then. I refuse to become a Zombie.

[myk]

Well they've been doing this for years in some cars-it was only a matter of time before it spread to everything else...

[69finder]

Lotus Elise's have a magic black box.  Potential buyers usually get the data scanned to see 'how it was driven'. 

Who will have access to this data?  That's what worries me.  We have massive amounts of photo radar up here.  So, technically couldn't they just hook up a RFID like device to read your speed every 3 blocks. So whenever you go 10 over the limt, CHA CHING.

I'm worried.  We are usually first adopters of all new technology up here in Canada.  (We have pin enabled credit cards, mandatory.  Photo radar, speed on green cameras etc etc).

[68X426]

Nope. Next they will want to put one in your head and it will be product number 666.

You said it. Most people won't see it that way but, that's what this really is about.

Most people won't see or understand anything soon.

Evidence:

California State Senator Mark Leno (what else, Democrat, San Francisco) just introduced legislation to de-criminalize cocaine and heroin.

And California marijuana shops will soon accept the Food Stamp debit cards that the State provides.

Most everyone will be too stoned to know or care.

[tan top]

nothing supprises me any more  , the worlds gone nutts   

[resq302]

No surprise. And for this reason and many more I'd rather just buy an older car and rebuild it.

  Todays cars have too many computers and electronics in them.  My buddy refuses to get anything newer than 1996 since NJ now has your inspection based on plugging the obd into their computer.  He claims that they now know exactly how you drive and how many miles you put on in a year,etc.  Plus just the fact that older cars are a lot easier to work on!

[Mike DC]

What scares me most is that so many people literally don't seem to understand why we should be against this sort of thing.  And so many of them are actually surprised when the data ends up in the wrong hands and being used against us in ways we don't want.  Can they really not see the problems coming? 

[stripedelete]

No a suprise at all.   We are well on are way down that slippery slope.  Our cell phones are tracking devices and we leave tracks all over the internet, not to mention what is being posted on social media.  Also, all laser printers now have individual footprints, so, you better dig out that Selectric when you are  writing that ransom note.... 

At the end of the day, it's "game over" for privacy.   Each generation growing up with technology is more desensitized than the prior generation.   

[Ghoste]

Insurance companies and police lobby groups will loudly proclaim how this is going to save money and lives so the people will nod their heads and get in line.  It is already very easy to install a device which allows the remote deactivation of your car so why not enable it to report average speeds and such as well?  Once the computer logs a certain number of violations it just shuts down your car and you forfeit it to the state.

[aussiemuscle]

commercial aviation have had black boxes for decades and they've been able to improve safety substantially. black box is ok, imo, so long as it's not live or accessible by other people. (i'm sure google want to get their hands on that data)

[moparjohn]

Cars become worse every year due to government intervention.

[myk]

I wouldn't go so far as to say THAT.  Didn't government intervention bring on the mandatory installation of disc brakes, seat belts, etc.?  I hate to think there are some out there who think that better stopping and safety aren't important enough to be automatically installed in a vehicle.  I think cars like the latest crop of muscle cars are relatively fat, bloated, overweight pigs with too much nanny-programs in place, but at the same time cars of all sorts, not just muscle cars, are performing better than anything the 60's, 70's and all those other years of cars had to offer, and safety has to evolve along with that increased performance.  If someone has to step in and make sure that car manufacturers are making safer vehicles I'm all for it...

[69finder]

Just imagine how good cars COULD be if government didn't force the auto makers hand?!

[Cooter]

Insurance companies and police lobby groups will loudly proclaim how this is going to save money and lives so the people will nod their heads and get in line.  It is already very easy to install a device which allows the remote deactivation of your car so why not enable it to report average speeds and such as well?  Once the computer logs a certain number of violations it just shuts down your car and you forfeit it to the state.

Give it time buddy, it will come to that. Sooner or later. Again, you can fight it all you want, but it is coming. People will do anything to *think* they are saving a buck. This is the first step. Don't like this? Do something constructive like find a way around it....

[resq302]

again, another reason to buy an antique car / truck and totally rebuild it like our chargers and have it be a nice, reliable means of transportation for us!

[Cooter]

As long as we have members involved with things like SEMA and the like, we will fight the legislation that will try and take away the older cars because of "Gas guzzler taxes" being imposed on those of us that are fixing, driving, and restoring these cars.

[charger_fan_4ever]

Nope. Next they will want to put one in your head and it will be product number 666.

For sure thats what the big book says.

Bilderburb must have called for the car black boxes as a stepping stone to the mark.

I'm not big on the fact my cat we got from the shelter has a chip under his skin.

[resq302]

As long as we have members involved with things like SEMA and the like, we will fight the legislation that will try and take away the older cars because of "Gas guzzler taxes" being imposed on those of us that are fixing, driving, and restoring these cars.

There will be two ways that they get the charger or any old vechile out of my possession.  1) pry the keys from my cold, dead hands.  2) give me a rediculous amount of money for it in which I can start up a new hobby.

[NHCharger]

Bill is being pushed by Harry Reid and Barbra Boxer, big surprise. More liberals trying to regulate our lives and be able to spy on us at any time. For 90% of us our car is critical to our everyday life. Now big brother will have the power turn my car off at any time. 

[chargerboy69]

Bill is being pushed by Harry Reid and Barbra Boxer, big surprise. More liberals trying to regulate our lives and be able to spy on us at any time. For 90% of us our car is critical to our everyday life. Now big brother will have the power turn my car off at any time. 

And it is expected to pass through a House controlled the the other party.

The fault is ours, we keep putting these people in power and allow them to do these things to us. They all suck, they are all corrupt and we keep sending the sons-of -bitches back.

But most people won't even know anything about this, and the ones who do, many won't even care.

[Indygenerallee]

I could go on and on, I tell alot of people what I believe and most laugh, yes I believe 9-11 was a false flag event done for the sole purpose of more CONTROL of the US citizens to eventually know exactly where you are wiping your ass and if you paid taxes on the TP used!!! Patriot act, TSA, homeland security, all that crap! I have watched several documentaries over the years on 9-11 and other gov. "conspiracies" and I had talked to my dad about it and he thought it was a ridiculous idea until he watched a couple dvds on it!!! And I believe it is all coming down to the one world gov. and nobody will be able to buy, sell or trade anything without a "special" implant chip and it is the mark of the beast, it will not be forced upon people as people will see it as the next great new thing and will promote "secure" banking, and no ID theft!!! And for those it will be too late.

[charger_fan_4ever]

I could go on and on, I tell alot of people what I believe and most laugh, yes I believe 9-11 was a false flag event done for the sole purpose of more CONTROL of the US citizens to eventually know exactly where you are wiping your ass and if you paid taxes on the TP used!!! Patriot act, TSA, homeland security, all that crap! I have watched several documentaries over the years on 9-11 and other gov. "conspiracies" and I had talked to my dad about it and he thought it was a ridiculous idea until he watched a couple dvds on it!!! And I believe it is all coming down to the one world gov. and nobody will be able to buy, sell or trade anything without a "special" implant chip and it is the mark of the beast, it will not be forced upon people as people will see it as the next great new thing and will promote "secure" banking, and no ID theft!!! And for those it will be too late.

Well said dude.
It takes a big crisis for big brother to justify pulling the strings a little tighter. The documentary end game was a jaw dropper.

[Indygenerallee]

 

[mauve66]

somewhere on here is a link to a story about a company that developed a chip to store all your financial and medical info on and they found that the best place for the chip was the back of your hand or your forhead, and then mastercard went out and bought the company

[68blue]

I wonder if the wires on these things can be mistakenly pulled out while hunting for something you dropped.

[Indygenerallee]

mauve66, I have seen that as well not suprising as they have had the implant chips now for about 10 years (maybe longer) for pets, I remember a few years back they had a story about putting implants in kids to track them under the guise of "protecting" them. Like I said the "mark of the beast" people that don't see it coming will HAVE to have it as it will be the next best new thing and they will say YOU HAVE to have it to use credit/debit system and that it will be inforced to rule out identity theft, Because good ol' green cash money's time is very limited.

[nh_mopar_fan]

It's a very short jump from this to a governor.

[Mike DC]

Traction & stability controls are already functioning like governors to some extent. 

mauve66, I have seen that as well not suprising as they have had the implant chips now for about 10 years (maybe longer) for pets, I remember a few years back they had a story about putting implants in kids to track them under the guise of "protecting" them. Like I said the "mark of the beast" people that don't see it coming will HAVE to have it as it will be the next best new thing and they will say YOU HAVE to have it to use credit/debit system and that it will be inforced to rule out identity theft, Because good ol' green cash money's time is very limited.

That's how a typical reduction in freedom gets through.  Don't try to convince adults that they need something, just convince them that it will make it easier to keep their kids safe with it.  Once the first generation of kids grows up in a world that always worked that way, they've succeeded.  It worked for seat belts, it worked for motorcycle helmets . . . and it'll work for more sinister stuff. 

[J-440]

 INDY, Mauve...don't worry about the mark as we will be gone before all of this is mandatory around the world.  Don't wanna get too religious, but just take care of your family, stay outta debt, and treat your fellow man like you would want to be treated.  God's got us and everything will be good to go. 
  Oh yeah, those black boxes also allow the auto financing companies to turn your car off if you miss too many payments. 

[rt green]

the problem with some bills is not the orignal idea, but all the other crap they tack onto it. some bills that is.

[Indygenerallee]

J-440, your right it's just frustrating to see it happening and knowing that so many people won't know till it's too late....