Here's a carb for your big block!

[Todd Wilson]

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ru=http%3A%2F%2Fsearch.ebay.com%3A80%2Fsearch%2Fsearch.dll%3Fcgiurl%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fcgi.ebay.com%252Fws%252F%26fkr%3D1%26from%3DR8%26satitle%3D8032802022%26category0%3D%26fvi%3D1&item=8032802022

[greenpigs]

Figures, he's Canadian.

[Silver R/T]

interesting invention

[Drache]

gotta love the official looking tape put over the Pat. Pending stamp!

[RD]

hold on a minute... i thought that the story of the guy who designed a high mpg carburetor but died before he could patent it or give it out to anyone was nothing but an urban legend?

this cannot be for real, I call BS on this one.  Where are those scopes guys who research this crap? hehe

[Drache]

Where are those scopes guys who research this crap? hehe

They are the person probably bidding on it...

[Telvis]

Not to be confused with the Bullcrapifier.

[253862656971]

I don't know if this carb is for real or not but I know they do exist.  My great uncle used to be a Carbueration engineer for GM.  He worked in Pontiac Michigan although I don't believe he worked for Pontiac.  He had several carbs on many different makes of vehicles that would produce similar mileage.  I don't believe he ever got 100+mpg but 50 and 60 was common.  He said it is pretty easy to get a car to get 30-40mpg but he said it is hard to get the car to do it in all conditions.  He said at least one Chevy pickup accidentally made it out of their inventory with one of these carbs on it.  GM tracked it down to a dealership but it had already been sold.  GM went to the farmer who bought it to get it back but the guy wouldn't sell.  GM offered him way more than the pickup cost new but the guy liked getting 40mpg in a 350.  There was also a similar event here in Lead at the Ford dealership.  A car got out and they tracked it down but this one hadn't been sold.  Ford sent a couple guys out and the took the carb off and left. 

Like I said I don't know if this carb is for real but they do exist.

[TK73]

hold on a minute... i thought that the story of the guy who designed a high mpg carburetor but died before he could patent it or give it out to anyone was nothing but an urban legend?

this cannot be for real, I call BS on this one.  Where are those scopes guys who research this crap? hehe

"Snopes"

http://www.snopes.com/autos/business/carburetor.asp

[MyMopar]

No matter what you do, an engine still needs the proper air/fuel ratio to run.  So the only thing this thing can do is cut down on the air so it gives very little fuel which means no power and probably a non running engine.
I call BS on this entire thread.

[dkn1997]

AGREED.  total BS, I just want to know what the thing on ebay really is.  it could be some carb for an irrigation pump or some other oddball application.  this ebay turd is using it's unusual look to try to run a scam.  it kind of looks like a distributor on top.

[andy74]

I don't know if this carb is for real or not but I know they do exist.  My great uncle used to be a Carbueration engineer for GM.  He worked in Pontiac Michigan although I don't believe he worked for Pontiac.  He had several carbs on many different makes of vehicles that would produce similar mileage.  I don't believe he ever got 100+mpg but 50 and 60 was common.  He said it is pretty easy to get a car to get 30-40mpg but he said it is hard to get the car to do it in all conditions.  He said at least one Chevy pickup accidentally made it out of their inventory with one of these carbs on it.  GM tracked it down to a dealership but it had already been sold.  GM went to the farmer who bought it to get it back but the guy wouldn't sell.  GM offered him way more than the pickup cost new but the guy liked getting 40mpg in a 350.  There was also a similar event here in Lead at the Ford dealership.  A car got out and they tracked it down but this one hadn't been sold.  Ford sent a couple guys out and the took the carb off and left. 

Like I said I don't know if this carb is for real but they do exist.

bull shit- if they cant do so with fuel injection and computer controls,i am positive they cant with a carb

[dkn1997]

ALTHOUGH IT'S BS, I am dying to know what that thing actually is!!!  it certianly looks cool enough.  what's with the wires in the top?  is there some sort of fuel injector in there? I would love for someone to chime in here to tell us what it really is.

[253862656971]

I don't know if this carb is for real or not but I know they do exist.  My great uncle used to be a Carbueration engineer for GM.  He worked in Pontiac Michigan although I don't believe he worked for Pontiac.  He had several carbs on many different makes of vehicles that would produce similar mileage.  I don't believe he ever got 100+mpg but 50 and 60 was common.  He said it is pretty easy to get a car to get 30-40mpg but he said it is hard to get the car to do it in all conditions.  He said at least one Chevy pickup accidentally made it out of their inventory with one of these carbs on it.  GM tracked it down to a dealership but it had already been sold.  GM went to the farmer who bought it to get it back but the guy wouldn't sell.  GM offered him way more than the pickup cost new but the guy liked getting 40mpg in a 350.  There was also a similar event here in Lead at the Ford dealership.  A car got out and they tracked it down but this one hadn't been sold.  Ford sent a couple guys out and the took the carb off and left. 

Like I said I don't know if this carb is for real but they do exist.

bull shit- if they cant do so with fuel injection and computer controls,i am positive they cant with a carb

Don't believe it you don't want but it's true.  I don't have any written proof but I feel I can trust my uncles word.  Speaking of that I should ask my prof. at school at that thing and see if he knows.  He was also a carbueration engineer for many years.

BTW I think they can do it with computers and fuel injection.  If I remember right a Ford Focus bought in Germany gets much better gas mileage than the very same optioned car here in the US.  I don't remember the numbers anymore but it's a significant difference.

[sixpack70]

Its a 2006 hyundai engine carb. Well ok maybe not 2006 but at least 2005! Look at how hi-tech it is.

[Mike DC]

Sorry 253862656971, but this thing in the auction has gotta be crap.

If there was a way to double the mileage out of a typical carb-type object, I think we'd know about it by now.  In the last 100 years there have been millions of people working individually, on six continents, with millions of engines & parts, and they'd ALL like to get the same greater burn-efficiency that you'd need.

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Now let's see how much money they get for this crap in the auction.  (Maybe some tree-hugger will fall for it & end up setting his Corolla on fire trying to retrofit that thing.)

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[Mike DC]

Oh yeah, and look what's buried deep in the text of the description, 2/3 of the way down:

Item is sold as is with no guaranty that it will deliver 100mpg- 300mpg.

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[Drache]

It's a high performance carb alright... but maybe off a john deere or a boat....

[4402tuff4u]

  I call it BS. If the carburetor is so wonderful, why doesn't he market it himself or get a company like Holley to go partners with him on the patent and produce the carburetor and sell it to make money? If it's a true good product with the stated savings in gas, believe me it would have been out there awhile ago regardless of all this urban myth thing about oil companies making people disappear because they have a carburetor that saves on fuel consumption..................please!

[Orange_Crush]

I don't know if this carb is for real or not but I know they do exist.  My great uncle used to be a Carbueration engineer for GM.  He worked in Pontiac Michigan although I don't believe he worked for Pontiac.  He had several carbs on many different makes of vehicles that would produce similar mileage.  I don't believe he ever got 100+mpg but 50 and 60 was common.  He said it is pretty easy to get a car to get 30-40mpg but he said it is hard to get the car to do it in all conditions.  He said at least one Chevy pickup accidentally made it out of their inventory with one of these carbs on it.  GM tracked it down to a dealership but it had already been sold.  GM went to the farmer who bought it to get it back but the guy wouldn't sell.  GM offered him way more than the pickup cost new but the guy liked getting 40mpg in a 350.  There was also a similar event here in Lead at the Ford dealership.  A car got out and they tracked it down but this one hadn't been sold.  Ford sent a couple guys out and the took the carb off and left. 

Like I said I don't know if this carb is for real but they do exist.

I think your uncle was yanking your chain bud.

What you said above was basically a word-for-word retelling of the original urban legend.  Complete with the "grand conspiracy" of GM in collusion with the oil companies.

[Ponch ®]

I don't know if this carb is for real or not but I know they do exist.  My great uncle used to be a Carbueration engineer for GM.  He worked in Pontiac Michigan although I don't believe he worked for Pontiac.  He had several carbs on many different makes of vehicles that would produce similar mileage.  I don't believe he ever got 100+mpg but 50 and 60 was common.  He said it is pretty easy to get a car to get 30-40mpg but he said it is hard to get the car to do it in all conditions.  He said at least one Chevy pickup accidentally made it out of their inventory with one of these carbs on it.  GM tracked it down to a dealership but it had already been sold.  GM went to the farmer who bought it to get it back but the guy wouldn't sell.  GM offered him way more than the pickup cost new but the guy liked getting 40mpg in a 350.  There was also a similar event here in Lead at the Ford dealership.  A car got out and they tracked it down but this one hadn't been sold.  Ford sent a couple guys out and the took the carb off and left. 

Like I said I don't know if this carb is for real but they do exist.

bull shit- if they cant do so with fuel injection and computer controls,i am positive they cant with a carb

Don't believe it you don't want but it's true.  I don't have any written proof but I feel I can trust my uncles word.  Speaking of that I should ask my prof. at school at that thing and see if he knows.  He was also a carbueration engineer for many years.

BTW I think they can do it with computers and fuel injection.  If I remember right a Ford Focus bought in Germany gets much better gas mileage than the very same optioned car here in the US.  I don't remember the numbers anymore but it's a significant difference.

I was about to say this, but then I saw it (probably phrasing better than I would) on the snopes link that TK posted:

"A bit of rational thought should be all that's needed to lay this legend to rest. Why would the car manufacturers at all care about keeping such a technological advance away from consumers? Unlike the petroleum companies, they've no vested interest in how much fuel a car uses. An automaker's self interest is best served by getting the newest irresistible technology to the consumer before his competitors do. If any one of them possessed the secret of the 200 mpg car, he'd have rushed it into production, hoping to beat his competitors to the punch."

[bull]

100-300 mpg is a pretty big range. I wonder how this story-teller would explain how you can get 300 mpg instead of just 100 mpg because heck, I'd rather get 300 mpg. I'd even settle for 30 mpg over 10 mpg.

[dkn1997]

yeah, when I buy it and put on my big block, I am going to be pissed off when it only gets 70 or 80 mpg...it will probably run 8's in the quarter too.....

[Mike DC]

You want 30 mpg with a Charger?

1.  Add an overdrive gear to your Charger.

2.  Take a 440 and build it as a 496 stroker wth port fuel injection. 

3.  Retrofit a DOD system like in the new DCX & GM V8 motors.  Or even just borrow some hardware from the old Caddilac V8-6-4 setup from the early 1980s.  (It really only failed because of slow computer controls & throttle-body injection systems of that time, and vibration issues when it was in 6-cyl mode.  When cruising steadily in 4-cyl mode it worked fine.)

4.  Forget the split-second electronic controls that Detroit likes so much, and just use a toggle switch to keep 4 of the cylinders off while you're on a road trip.  (A 496" motor that's cut in half is still 248 cubic inches.  Easily enough to cruise a Charger, even without reactivating the other 4 cylinders every time you hit the gas.)

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Voila!
Dodge Charger power whenever you want it, and Dodge Stratus mileage whenever you don't. 

(But you have to just blindly dive in with the tools on this.  Don't start trying to add up the price of doing all these mods & comparing fuel prices, or you'll decide you'd rather just burn the extra gas.  By a wide margin.)

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[Duey]

Thermodynamically, 200-300mpg is possible, but it is entirely dependant on the size of vehicle, combustion process used, and driving style.

VW research made a so-called "1L" car (named for 1L/100km [actually 0,99L/100km] = 253 mpg), see link below -- "1L" bookmark.

http://www.eere.energy.gov/vehiclesandfuels/pdfs/deer_2004/session9/2004_deer_schindler.pdf

Look at the thing, though, it's more like a flat tricycle with thin fibreglass shell over it.  There is no way that in any kind of driving, you can put a gasoline carbuerator on an Otto-cycle engine (one of the most inefficient, compared to Diesel, Sterling, Miller or Carnot-cycles), into a reasonably sized conventional vehicle and see 100 to 300 mpg....it is an energy-wise impossibility.  Gasoline engines thermodynaically convert about 20-25% of the fuel's energy into usable work, diesel about 35-40%.  Even if a system were 100% efficient, 100-300 is not possible on anything much bigger than a moped.

This is a "load" of it.

Duey