This guy thinks he has gold in them thar Chargers!

[AirborneSilva]

Here's a local San Antonio craigs list add, he thinks he has gold

http://sanantonio.craigslist.org/cto/2916030433.html

[1974dodgecharger]

im sure if you offer 2k he will take it...

[Cooter]

So a rust free 1972, 3rd Gen Charger isn't worth $4K?

[AirborneSilva]

So a rust free 1972, 3rd Gen Charger isn't worth $4K?

I[m not sure if you actually read the add and looked at the pictures.... I'd say that a "rust free" 3rd gen in otherwise good shape would be worth $4K but that's not what the add says, just sayin    Oh, I got my Rust free 3rd gen 73 Charger SE (with a hole in the 400 block), for $2800.

[Indygenerallee]

I don't think his asking price is out of line!??   Looks like its pretty rust free from the pics and I am sure you could get it even cheaper when you wave some greenbacks in his face. Looks like a solid start!

[AirborneSilva]

To each his own, I've read the add and looked at the pictures and would not pay that price...  You have your opinion and I have mine 

[Ghoste]

It doesn't say rust free but he does claim 98% rust free.  It would be a lot easier if he would take all of the junk he has piled on top and around the car out of the way.

[AirborneSilva]

It doesn't say rust free but he does claim 98% rust free.  It would be a lot easier if he would take all of the junk he has piled on top and around the car out of the way.

Well see there, now I have to agree with that, it also says ",Buyer will need to reassemble" - so what the heck does that mean, how much to reassemble?  and we all know that even though he says it's 98% rust free there is more rust there than that...  I don't believe that peeps are reading the add 

[bill440rt]

I read the ad. It doesn't look all that horrible to me, either.
So, you paid $2800 for a 3rd gen with a blown engine, and this one is $1K more with a good engine??        Sounds on par to me.
Looks like a nice color combo, white gut to boot.

Strange, his price in the ad title is $3975 yet in the ad it states $4300 cash??     If he was offered $3800 he'd probably take it.
I do agree, the car is presented poorly & he needs to get rid of all that crap that's piled on top of it.

[XS29L9Bxxxxxx]

  Oh, I got my Rust free 3rd gen 73 Charger SE (with a hole in the 400 block), for $2800.

Wow, now THAT deal sounds overpriced 

[Ghoste]

I read the ad.  Its worded poorly and obviously he had a higher price in mind at one point.  Its a project car and priced like one but even if it was a brilliantly worded ad with professional photos my thoughts on the car would be the same.
JUst curious I guess Silva but what do you think its worth and what is it in the ad that is jumping out at you so much?

[Troy]

Even if you didn't have to move the junk, is a 318/904 72 Charger project worth $4k? He's selling a running/driving car with a new crate engine for barely double that.

Troy

[AirborneSilva]

I read the ad. It doesn't look all that horrible to me, either.
So, you paid $2800 for a 3rd gen with a blown engine, and this one is $1K more with a good engine??        Sounds on par to me.
Looks like a nice color combo, white gut to boot.

Strange, his price in the ad title is $3975 yet in the ad it states $4300 cash??     If he was offered $3800 he'd probably take it.
I do agree, the car is presented poorly & he needs to get rid of all that crap that's piled on top of it.

No you are not reading that add, it does not say it has a good engine, it says it has a roller cam and needs to be started...  that could me a boat load of things.  As for my 3rd Gen I had a built 383 just waiting to go into a car, so as for them to be on par - yeah you keep telling yourself it is.

[Ghoste]

Even if you didn't have to move the junk, is a 318/904 72 Charger project worth $4k? He's selling a running/driving car with a new crate engine for barely double that.

Troy

I don't know.  Are you saying the other car is grossly underpriced?  What do 3rd gen projects go for?  Where are all the 3rd gen alumni and why aren't they wading in here?

[AirborneSilva]

I read the ad.  Its worded poorly and obviously he had a higher price in mind at one point.  Its a project car and priced like one but even if it was a brilliantly worded ad with professional photos my thoughts on the car would be the same.
JUst curious I guess Silva but what do you think its worth and what is it in the ad that is jumping out at you so much?

With the unknown of how much actual rust there is and having to put the car car back together, it being a 318 car I might pay $2k for it but only after having looked at it... If you guys want to pay $4k for that thing then that's your call.  

I find it so funny when you guys preach on here about being cautious and pick a person apart after not being then when I pick this car apart you attack me..  and no I could care less about you attacking me, I'm a big boy, it's just funny how when someone is cautious and from experience is skeptical you guys pounce...

I would not pay that much for that car, there is too much that needs to be done to even make it a driver and who knows how much rust is really there - WE HAVE NOT SEEN PICTURES only his word that it's 98% rust free.

You guys have your opinion I have mine, lets leave it at that.....

[Ghoste]

Silva I'm not attacking you at all, I was just asking buddy, thats all.  I don't know anything about 3rd gens really and so it didn't seem out of whack to me.  I can't learn if I don't ask.

[Troy]

Even if you didn't have to move the junk, is a 318/904 72 Charger project worth $4k? He's selling a running/driving car with a new crate engine for barely double that.

Troy

I don't know.  Are you saying the other car is grossly underpriced?   What do 3rd gen projects go for?  Where are all the 3rd gen alumni and why aren't they wading in here?

I'm saying (if I wanted one) I'd talk him down on the driver and let him clean up his own junk pile. I'm tired of projects and I'm not willing to put a ton of time into a car that's worth almost as much finished as he's asking now. Seriously, a couple years ago I helped a kid sell a nearly mint survivor and he spent many months trying to get $6k out of it. I have no idea what he actually sold it for.

Troy

[41husk]

I do agree Troy, but it is fun to have a project around to play with.  I have been were the only car I had was a project and that is not fun, but if you can go for a cruize on the nice days and play with a project on the others, it's kinda nice.  I just have a hard time remembering I can't have them or save them all.

[33yeartoy]

   im looking at a  72 charger  340  auto 125,000 miles. has ok paint job from 10 feet.  whats that worth.unsure of motor wont start.

[Drache]

There was a '74 that was in decent shape, 383, running and driving and it sold for $6000. If I had the cash on hand I would have bought it in a heart beat. It sold within a week.

[71green go]

I agree that the car is probably not worth 4300 or the 3800 he mentions.....BUT if your selling a car do you ask exactly what you want for it?....or leave some wiggle room for someone to beat ya down a bit and feel like they won?

I would think with some negotiating skills that car could be had for around $3000....and I would be ok with that price if it the Body was truly 98% rust free.....I would clone it to a 72 rallye car
The motor, who cares...I would prob change it anyways...unless it turned out to be a great running 318

[myk]

What the hell?  I dunno about you guys but if I was going to try and sell a car I'd least clear all the crap off of it...

[Dino]

What the hell?  I dunno about you guys but if I was going to try and sell a car I'd least clear all the crap off of it...

Yeah that's my though as well, I don't know what these things go for but dang clean it up a little!  Pull the car out of the barn and at least try to get some more pictures.

[bill440rt]

Silva I'm not attacking you at all, I was just asking buddy, thats all.  I don't know anything about 3rd gens really and so it didn't seem out of whack to me.  I can't learn if I don't ask.

My reply was not an attack, either.     More that of a question.
I've seen sellers ask higher for heaps, that car just looks like a solid starting point in a desirable color combo.
Too many unknowns in the ad photo-wise to make a pinpoint statement, but loosely based on his description it is not in the stratosphere. I do believe he has priced it expecting some wiggle-room.

It is what it is: a clean project with a good starting point. If the seller gets his price, kudos to him.

[AirborneSilva]

Were all good guys  from what I got and what I paid for it (and I do think I got a descent deal on it), I wouldn't pay what he's asking but that's not to say that someone else wouldn't find it worth the price.  Now he does have a 72 bumper with with the brackets I've been looking for that I'm going to buy and it's at what I consider a fair price 

[1974dodgecharger]

what siliva said this guy is way overpriced!!!!!  for double the price you can get a runner, 440, auto, air, etc...for 6k I have saw for 3rd gens.

[AirborneSilva]

I went by this guys house today, he had a 72 bumper with brackets for sale that I bought, he's a nice guy and has lots of 3rd gen odds and ends.  The one he has for 8K is in good shape body wise but no ralley dash, the only rust I could see is surface rust but he did tell me that he had rust around the back window fixed at one point.  I couldn't get a good look at the other for $3800 was hard to see with all the stuff on and around it but I could see that it has a nice ralley dash.  Anyway if anyone is interested in either of them I can go back and go over them real well and take pictures.

[Patronus]

Uhh. $3800. Uh.. thats not quite the nazi gold I was expecting. Totally worth it. 

[AirborneSilva]

Uhh. $3800. Uh.. thats not quite the nazi gold I was expecting. Totally worth it. 

never said anything about nazi gold, I guess some have a flare for being dramatic, but he did come down $500 from his original asking price.  Still don't know what shape the car is in since it has stuff all over and around it.  I did get a fairly good look at the other one though.

[Ghoste]

Having seen the car (almost) in person, has your appraisal of it changed any?

[mauve66]

I do agree Troy, but it is fun to have a project around to play with.  I have been were the only car I had was a project and that is not fun, but if you can go for a cruize on the nice days and play with a project on the others, it's kinda nice.  I just have a hard time remembering I can't have them or save them all.

if you won mega millions you could

[Budnicks]

There was a 3rd gen Charger selling on here, with a running & driveable BB & 727, originally a SB car, that he was asking $3800 "I think it was SixPackSid", I have no idea if he still has it or not, I have not seen the car in person, just the photos in his advert. here on DC.com, but sound like a decent to very good deal... The guy you are talking about, I think that there is wiggle room for negotiation there, it's not worth the gold standard that's for sure... The guy is stupid, to not clear the car off & give some decent photos, maybe he's just lazy I guess... $2k maybe from what I see & it's really 98% rust free with a blown engine....

[myk]

Out of curiosity, what does everyone consider to be 98% rust free?

[AirborneSilva]

Having seen the car (almost) in person, has your appraisal of it changed any?

Slightly, the dash looked in really good shape (except the dash pad but then I guess that's to be expected).  I think that if it was as rust free as the other car he has for $8K i would pay $3800 for it.

[AirborneSilva]

There was a 3rd gen Charger selling on here, with a running & driveable BB & 727, originally a SB car, that he was asking $3800 "I think it was SixPackSid", I have no idea if he still has it or not, I have not seen the car in person, just the photos in his advert. here on DC.com, but sound like a decent to very good deal... The guy you are talking about, I think that there is wiggle room for negotiation there, it's not worth the gold standard that's for sure... The guy is stupid, to not clear the car off & give some decent photos, maybe he's just lazy I guess... $2k maybe from what I see & it's really 98% rust free with a blown engine....

Thanks Bud, that is my point exactly!  There are too many 3rd Gen Chargers out there at a better price and in better condition.

[Budnicks]

There was a 3rd gen Charger selling on here, with a running & driveable BB & 727, originally a SB car, that he was asking $3800 "I think it was SixPackSid", I have no idea if he still has it or not, I have not seen the car in person, just the photos in his advert. here on DC.com, but sound like a decent to very good deal... The guy you are talking about, I think that there is wiggle room for negotiation there, it's not worth the gold standard that's for sure... The guy is stupid, to not clear the car off & give some decent photos, maybe he's just lazy I guess... $2k maybe from what I see & it's really 98% rust free with a blown engine....

Thanks Bud, that is my point exactly!  There are too many 3rd Gen Chargers out there at a better price and in better condition.

 

[ACUDANUT]

Any 71-72 Charger in that condition is easily worth 4K. Running or not.  Wait and see, The 3rd gen chargers are the next big dollar cars.

[mauve66]

thats what they said about 73-74 RR especially with the gtx option, and that was 20 years ago and they are still way under a 2nd gen charger or RR

[AirborneSilva]

Wait and see, The 3rd gen chargers are the next big dollar cars.

I'm hoping you're right since I have a 73 SE big block car that only has one relatively minor rust spot and I paid $2800 for it.

[1974dodgecharger]

Any 71-72 Charger in that condition is easily worth 4K. Running or not.  Wait and see, The 3rd gen chargers are the next big dollar cars.

love your enthusiasm.....

[73rallye440magnum]

Sold the amateur resto (by me) '73 rallye u-code in my pic for $7900. Running, driving, but needing some work.

IMO, 3rd gens are affordable drivers. Hard to make money restoring one.

They aren't the next big thing 

[Budnicks]

I feel for the guys who have purchased gen 3 Chargers, thinking they will be a great investment car    or thinking they can throw money at them & get rich  ... But also I'm glad they are still reasonable priced, I would like to get another BB 71 Charger or Super Bee as a driver  Some day, when I'm not freaken broke anyway... I personally don't buy cars to resale them, I buy them for the love of the car &/or project, build them accordingly...

[Indygenerallee]

Budnicks, could not have said it better!

[AirborneSilva]

I got my 3rd Gen for two reasons, one being it was a good price and I had a 383 just sitting waiting to go in a car and two I think they are a great looking car if setup right w/bulge hood, spoilers and the like.  Having said that my goal is to have a 68 Charger R/T, petty much like the first car i owned that I bought off my Mom, she loved that car (as I did), and now she is gone so I'd like another to remember her by.  When I got my HLPAG (that is gone now - well except the bad memory), car and told her she got a big smile on her face and asked if it was a 68.  I'd also like to have a 1st Gen, just to have all three REAL chargers, but I think the wife may have a cow about that, we'll see how that plan goes     

[Ghoste]

Its a laudable goal though.   If it helps you can tell her that we all approve around here.

[myk]

I got my 3rd Gen for two reasons, one being it was a good price and I had a 383 just sitting waiting to go in a car and two I think they are a great looking car if setup right w/bulge hood, spoilers and the like.    

I was thinking along the same lines that you are.  They can look just as good in their own right and more importantly, to me anyway, don't they have a wider wheelbase stock?  That means better handling performance right out of the gate.  Couple that with the fact that everyone's nutting themselves over the 2nd Gen's and you can pretty much buy a 3rd Gen at a reasonable price...FOR NOW...

[ACUDANUT]

Budnicks:

So you think 3rd gen Chargers are a Joke.  ? What do you have that is so much better.  
71 R/T's and 72 rallyes are a great investments imo.  I don't buy and sell cars.  It's nice knowing that I am however not throwing good money at a worthless investment...I thought this was a Charger fan web site...you seem like a hater

[Budnicks]

Budnicks:

So you think 3rd gen Chargers are a Joke.  ? What do you have that is so much better.  
71 R/T's and 72 rallyes are a great investments imo.  I don't buy and sell cars.  It's nice knowing that I am however not throwing good money at a worthless investment...I thought this was a Charger fan web site...you seem like a hater

I never said 3rd gen Chargers are a joke, you completely misunderstood what was being said... You are the one that seems to ba a hater WTF, read the posts...

[ACUDANUT]

I feel for the guys who have purchased gen 3 Chargers, thinking they will be a great investment car    or thinking they can throw money at them & get rich  ... But also I'm glad they are still reasonable priced, I would like to get another BB 71 Charger or Super Bee as a driver  Some day, when I'm not freaken broke anyway... I personally don't buy cars to resale them, I buy them for the love of the car &/or project, build them accordingly...

Budnicks, I was referring to this post of yours

[AirborneSilva]

Cuda nut, I didn't read it that way.  I think Bud was being a realist saying that there are some who think they are going to be worth what a 2nd Gen is but I too doubt they will ever reach that price range (not in my life time), and he did say that he would like to have a BB 71.   

[ACUDANUT]

Okay, White flag here.  I just took it wrong, I guess. 

[AirborneSilva]

Okay, White flag here.  I just took it wrong, I guess. 

It's all good  I think Bud would agree...

[EccentricMagpies]

 

[AirborneSilva]

ya got butter on that popcorn Mag 

[EccentricMagpies]

ya got butter on that popcorn Mag 

just an interesting topic I guess.  Made me think back to that '74 that sold for ... what was it... 18K at the scottsdale auction?

[Budnicks]

Okay, White flag here.  I just took it wrong, I guess.  

No biggie

[Budnicks]

Cuda nut, I didn't read it that way.  I think Bud was being a realist saying that there are some who think they are going to be worth what a 2nd Gen is but I too doubt they will ever reach that price range (not in my life time), and he did say that he would like to have a BB 71.   

Bingo, no big deal, just a misunderstanding, I have been accused of worse things, I do love my Mopars Period...

[Budnicks]

Guys check out , www.Autabuy.com , there were quite a few of them there last week, I check every week or so on a couple of site, "Just in case", I see a deal of the century on a decent 71 BB car, that I just can't pass up... There were like maybe 10-12 = 71's for mostly pretty high not really realistic prices, maybe 7 = 72's for much less more near reality, but still too high for me right now, maybe 15-20 = 73's for some decent prices, still kind of high though & only a couple of 74's... I don't think these are really reflective of the real pricing though, I see allot of the same cars not selling...

[AirborneSilva]

ya got butter on that popcorn Mag 

just an interesting topic I guess.  Made me think back to that '74 that sold for ... what was it... 18K at the scottsdale auction?

Yeah I think the sun bakes peoples brains when they go to scottsdale to bid on a car 

[AirborneSilva]

Thanks for the link Bud, I've never been there.  I usually go to AutoTraderClassics.com

[Budnicks]

Thanks for the link Bud, I've never been there.  I usually go to AutoTraderClassics.com

I check out a few, all the time , but I kind of stay away from the E-Scam Motors as much as possible, there is another good site for general stuff & car stuff period, not much for Mopars but some great suppliers, ideas & photos etc., www.HotRodHotLine.com , I get a newsletter from them every week on Thursdays...