Superbird / Daytona Clone versus original

[billssuperbird]

the rear window+the wing stickers are the only nos superbird parts i have on my car.

[XS29LA47V21]

I also have many orginial ( though rough ) daytona parts to make a daytona clone someday .   I have been collection other people cast offs .

 oh yeah & taking up space for sure, I want your old Daytona pcs please

[BigBlockSam]

I personally believe the only ones worth as much money as they bring, still have their "original" paint/parts and are true survivors.

i agree, they are only original once . i get turned on more by an unrestored car then i do from a trailer queen 



it's Mopar Stuart fault 

[Ghoste]

it's Mopar Stuart fault 

Many things are.

[moparstuart]

it's Mopar Stuart fault 

Many things are.

   yup i cause lots of trouble just ask anyone who knows me , especially at wing events   

[BIGBLCK11]

...my survivor Bird loaded up for a trip to my house...it's so original it still has all the scratches and dings from the last 40 years

VERY NICE!  Along with your black Bird too.  Hey, that would be a great plate, if you are not already using that.  "BLCKBIRD"

[70Sbird]

I'm restoring a original Superbird. At one point, before Cuda's, Chargers, etc were considered collectables/valuable someone stripped my car of many of its superbird unique parts. I have managed to find most everything as far as original items that I was missing. However what I keep running into, and to me its quite annoying, is people building clone cars and snatching up the original parts to build clones.  Don't get me wrong, I don't have anything against clones. However, how I look at it is a original Superbird should have a original hood, nose, rear wing, etc not be forced to use a fiberglass Ted Janek or Jack McGuaghey version because clones were built with the original parts making the original parts almost impossible to find. The reproduction stuff should be going on clones, not the original stuff. Anybody else agree ? Disagree ?

And maybe someone should find my original engine/trans for my Superbird and return it to me too.....
Not going to happen, people can do what they want with the parts they have even if it means they hoard them until they die or bolt them on a an old notchback Barracuda or crush them....
I don't understand where your going with this, welcome to the hobby!

[hotrod98]

Stuart, I am going to put you on the spot, for no other reason than your comment taking about Larry's car off his hands.     Just curious as to how you feel.

Your Birdable is very nice.   In fact, I think it is as nice as any "real" Superbird, and with the factory parts, it is fairly hard to duplicate.   Let's say the money was "in the ballpark".  Would you give up the uniqueness of the Birdable for a running driving project Superbird?  

First off doug thanks you very much for te compliment on the car...  Means alot coming from you . I dont think i could let it go for a project ,  I am very attached to it and I think i would have to either get enough cash to get into a drive quality real bird or trade even up for a driver quality bird .   I know the car may not be worth that much but thats what i would have to have out of it to let it go .  Love the car , but I also would love to have a real deal bird too .  I would even take a modified real car like larry ropers black ice car .  I would how ever maybe trade for a project daytona if it wasnt a major project .  I could always try a troy trade multiple cars for a nicer Bird or daytona also but i am happy with what i have for now .

I wouldn't trade my car (with the cash difference in value of course) for a real matching numbers bird. I enjoy driving it more knowing that I don't have to worry about damaging an original engine or trans. I do wish I had an original hood for it in case a future owner wanted to remove the air grabber hood and put the car back to original appearance. Only because it would make my car more valuable in my opinion. I have a hood with a fiberglass extension that SuperbirdTom converted. I plan to keep the air grabber hood that he built on the car. It's just so cool.

My car is missing the original hood, the original front valance, the vinyl top, some interior pieces, the original engine and the original transmission. It has all of it's original sheet metal other than the hood and valance.

The Black Ice car has been mistaken for a clone on more than one occasion. There are clones out there that look more like a real bird than my car does...lol.

[moparstuart]

the rear window+the wing stickers are the only nos superbird parts i have on my car.

your  car looks outstanding

[69 DAYTONA]

Stuart, I am going to put you on the spot, for no other reason than your comment taking about Larry's car off his hands.     Just curious as to how you feel.

Your Birdable is very nice.   In fact, I think it is as nice as any "real" Superbird, and with the factory parts, it is fairly hard to duplicate.   Let's say the money was "in the ballpark".  Would you give up the uniqueness of the Birdable for a running driving project Superbird?  

First off doug thanks you very much for te compliment on the car...  Means alot coming from you . I dont think i could let it go for a project ,  I am very attached to it and I think i would have to either get enough cash to get into a drive quality real bird or trade even up for a driver quality bird .   I know the car may not be worth that much but thats what i would have to have out of it to let it go .  Love the car , but I also would love to have a real deal bird too .  I would even take a modified real car like larry ropers black ice car .  I would how ever maybe trade for a project daytona if it wasnt a major project .  I could always try a troy trade multiple cars for a nicer Bird or daytona also but i am happy with what i have for now .

I wouldn't trade my car (with the cash difference in value of course) for a real matching numbers bird. I enjoy driving it more knowing that I don't have to worry about damaging an original engine or trans. I do wish I had an original hood for it in case a future owner wanted to remove the air grabber hood and put the car back to original appearance. Only because it would make my car more valuable in my opinion. I have a hood with a fiberglass extension that SuperbirdTom converted. I plan to keep the air grabber hood that he built on the car. It's just so cool.

My car is missing the original hood, the original front valance, the vinyl top, some interior pieces, the original engine and the original transmission. It has all of it's original sheet metal other than the hood and valance.

The Black Ice car has been mistaken for a clone on more than one occasion. There are clones out there that look more like a real bird than my car does...lol.

...the exact reason for my Bird convertible...I've owned several winged cars and drove all of them some, but I wanted one to drive all the time...no matching numbers etc...if it gets destroyed it really has very little historical significance anyway, and could be replaced easily

[41husk]

it's Mopar Stuart fault 

Many things are.

   yup i cause lots of trouble just ask anyone who knows me , especially at wing events   

I thought that was only with Journalist

[moparstuart]

  It still pisses me off everytime i think about My original Green wing , being stolen and sold off by the first body shop my car was held hostage at for 10 years .  This is a picture of the first real wing i had bought for my car , if anyone remembers see it or know where it might have gone it would not be hard to identify .  I would love to have concrete proof to throw back in this clowns face who still claims he never had my wing .   I was lucky enough to get another real wing off a yellow car .  But it cost me another 2 k , which was my original investment in all the real superbirds parts i have on the car .   

[Aero426]

I thought that was only with Journalist

Need to get Stuart an "I heart Ed Hinton" shirt for this years event.     This is Ed on one of his better days.

[41husk]

That wasn't Ed that night

[pettybird]

...the exact reason for my Bird convertible...I've owned several winged cars and drove all of them some, but I wanted one to drive all the time...no matching numbers etc...if it gets destroyed it really has very little historical significance anyway, and could be replaced easily

This, I will never understand.  With all respect to "Ol Mor-row," these cars are NOT Deusenburgs.  They're not blower Bentleys.  They're not Cobra Daytonas.  They're not Ferrari Test Rossas.  They're freaking Chryslers.  They're really not even that rare, and the only people who would TRULY miss a car like our B5 bird is US.  Hell--we're one of three people in notheast Ohio with a blue one! 

To spend real car money on a fresh clone is absurd.  To claim you can't drive a real car is--and we've proven this--bullshit.  if you're building it for you, fantastic.  if you're building it for an excuse that doesn't hold water...can't help you there. 

[moparstuart]

I thought that was only with Journalist

Need to get Stuart an "I heart Ed Hinton" shirt for this years event.     This is Ed on one of his better days.

this is all I ever saw of him , It was pitch dark he had to be drunk and was yelling at me out the hotel window  

[Ghoste]

I thin we should send Hinton a shirt that says "who the &^%$ is MoparStuart?

[moparstuart]

I thin we should send Hinton a shirt that says "who the &^%$ is MoparStuart?

[BigBlockSam]

the last auctions i saw on tv . some real fancy resto mods where going for more money  then original cars   

[Hemi Runner]

I'm cutting up a matching numbers B5 blue 70RR to make my superbird drag car If I add on some NOS bird parts it'll make all of the other bird parts that more rare if I hit the wall at 170mph

[69 DAYTONA]

...the exact reason for my Bird convertible...I've owned several winged cars and drove all of them some, but I wanted one to drive all the time...no matching numbers etc...if it gets destroyed it really has very little historical significance anyway, and could be replaced easily

This, I will never understand.  With all respect to "Ol Mor-row," these cars are NOT Deusenburgs.  They're not blower Bentleys.  They're not Cobra Daytonas.  They're not Ferrari Test Rossas.  They're freaking Chryslers.  They're really not even that rare, and the only people who would TRULY miss a car like our B5 bird is US.  Hell--we're one of three people in notheast Ohio with a blue one! 

To spend real car money on a fresh clone is absurd.  To claim you can't drive a real car is--and we've proven this--bullshit.  if you're building it for you, fantastic.  if you're building it for an excuse that doesn't hold water...can't help you there. 

...over the years I have put over 25K miles on various real winged cars, probably more than many owners

...this car isn't a clone or a tribute, it's a Phantom, there aren't any real convertibles to clone...I would have purchased a real Superbird / Daytona convertible 30 years ago if any had existed

...absurd price, maybe to some, I thought it was a bargain for what I got...it was an idea I had in my mind for 20-30 years and just got around to making it happen...and yes, it was built for me, like it or not, exactly how I wanted it

...I'm not going to cut the top off of a 9K mile Daytona or a survivor Superbird to build a convertible

...afraid to drive them...my current daily driver is a "1 of a very few" Nickey Super Camaro convertible...first one built, 630 plus HP, irreplaceable, but I drive it every day...it's sitting in my garage covered with road grime and bugs...I know some day it too will be squirreled away in a collection/museum and never see the streets again, what a shame too

...I have several cars and if I decide to drive any of them I do, regardless of how rare(several are 1 of 1s), but unfortunately, it would take a few years to get thru them all if I just drove each one 30 days a year...this Superbird conv was built with air, big brakes, plenty of HP...it was built for fun, and the top goes down too

...sorry if it doesn't please you, but it pleases me and that's all I'm interested in

[moparstuart]

 

[gtx6970]

Clone or Real,,,,,,,It all comes down to who is willing to pay the price required for the parts when they become avail

[Ghoste]

   Seems to be the concensus.  Until someone opens a parts business dedicated to selling "real" parts at cheap prices only to customers who can prove they are going on a "real" car, that is how it will be.

[montana bird]

I have not met anybody that has original parts for sale that would not sell. I tell them they are for my clone project and as long as you got the green, it comes home with me