Mustang Owner Arrested mid-burnout

[Drache]

http://www.streetfire.net/video/ford-mustang-arrestprovoking-burnout_2379901.htm

[Indygenerallee]

Dumb, Cops were pretty ballsy going into that crowd by themselves I just saw two officers, the crowd could have easily turned on them and went bad, bad quick I would think you would want more officers to defuse that situation instead of two officers jumping into that situation.

[Drache]

Dumb, Cops were pretty ballsy going into that crowd by themselves I just saw two officers, the crowd could have easily turned on them and went bad, bad quick I would think you would want more officers to defuse that situation instead of two officers jumping into that situation.

And jumping in mid burnout to ARREST the driver? 

[ChgrSteve67]

I wonder if they asked him if he knew why he was being arested?

Did they impound the car or write him a citation and send him on his way?

I have never of heard of anyone being taken to jail for a burn out, but with the size of that croud .....

[Drache]

I wonder if they asked him if he knew why he was being arested?

Did they impound the car or write him a citation and send him on his way?

I have never of heard of anyone being taken to jail for a burn out, but with the size of that croud .....

Well you can clearly see him being placed in handcuffs which is really weird.

[Rolling_Thunder]

Yep - i doubt the crowd would do anything beyond the "strong talk" - most crowds don't.  Plus the cops have some things like...   tasers, firearms, etc...     

[Cooter]

WTF is it with these idiotic kids these days and burnouts?
"Oh wait I wuz gonna ask to run ya', but since you just did a burnout, I think I'll pass"..Dumbass kids. Cops should have taken the kids car and sold it at public auction. Punks.

[Mike DC]

Cops should have taken the kids car and sold it at public auction. Punks.

Umm  .  .  .  do we really wanna be in favor of the cops doing that to anyone?  

IMHO that kind of seizure & auctioning shouldn't be happening to anyone regardless of the circumstances.  I don't care if it was used for drug deliveries or a murder spree, I just think the principle is wrong.  Owning the car was not one of the perp's crimes.   

[Ghoste]

I agree.

[Vainglory, Esq.]

Cops should have taken the kids car and sold it at public auction. Punks.

Umm  .  .  .  do we really wanna be in favor of the cops doing that to anyone?  

IMHO that kind of seizure & auctioning shouldn't be happening to anyone regardless of the circumstances.  I don't care if it was used for drug deliveries or a murder spree, I just think the principle is wrong.  Owning the car was not one of the perp's crimes.   

You are correct, sir. However this sort of thing goes on all the time in both criminal and civil contexts, and its abuses are among the biggest unheralded scandals in the our country. http://www.ij.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=3114&Itemid=165

[cavemanno1]

Come on impound his car,for what a burnout?Others were doing burnouts but no as big as this guy!Give him a ticket maybe but arrest him?What's next,music is too loud the hair is too long?
However it could have turned out real bad if he couldn't control his car and run over a few people but everybody does burnouts in an inappropriate place at some point of their life!Why need of the handcuffs and why they left his car in the middle of the way so no more cars passing by the?Just screwed up everyone' evening!

[Ghoste]

And of course the problem with property seizure laws for this kind of thing is, why stop there?  If we are going to seize cars from drug dealers then why shouldn't we take them from punks endangering public safety with burnouts?  And if those guys are bad, lets take cars from anyone caught speeding.  Since we are cleaning up the roads, how about seizing the car of anyone flicking a cigarette outside the window?  I know it isn't against the law but maybe it should be, it is a distraction for anyone behind them at night.  Hey lets start impounding cars that are illegally parked too...
The list can get pretty long and don't ever for a second think we don't have people pushing legislators to do those things right now. get enough of them together as registered voters and it happens.

[Cooter]

It's a simple concept..Been round in Va. since I began driving...You get caught doing something illeagal like street racing, doing burnouts, excessive speeding(Over 100 MPH), etc. you to jail, you lose your ride, and it goes to public auction...Been that way since I can remember. If that kid was that ballsy, then he deserves to lose his ride. I stand behind what I said. Somebody's gotta teach these punks a lesson they won't be chanting "F*ck the police". It's called RESPECT. I think it's clear these punks don't have any. Cop WARNED him to stop and he didn't..
Lose the ride if you can't see when a cop is trying to be cool.

[cavemanno1]

Over here you can't see too many american cars so when the cops stoped my friend,who had a junk '68 olds that was falling apart,they asked for a burnout otherwise impound the car because it was so dangerous to drive!My friend just bought it and was on is way home when they stoped him!He did a huge burnout and they gave his papers back and let him go!After 5 minutes an other pair of cops stoped him an asked for a burnout from him!They loved it so much they never ever stoped him again!
Cops sometimes can be cool unless you do soemthing really dangerous!I don't think that guy was a Danger to the public!

[Rolling_Thunder]

Hell I got stopped at a sobriety checkpoint about 2 blocks form my house one night and the Officers told me to do a burnout (guess they were bored at 1am)   

[Mike DC]

It's a simple concept..Been round in Va. since I began driving...You get caught doing something illeagal like street racing, doing burnouts, excessive speeding(Over 100 MPH), etc. you to jail, you lose your ride, and it goes to public auction...Been that way since I can remember. If that kid was that ballsy, then he deserves to lose his ride. I stand behind what I said. Somebody's gotta teach these punks a lesson they won't be chanting "F*ck the police". It's called RESPECT. I think it's clear these punks don't have any. Cop WARNED him to stop and he didn't..
Lose the ride if you can't see when a cop is trying to be cool.

Crimes are illegal but not viewpoints and respect levels.  And cops aren't everyone's parents.

The only crime the kid committed was burning the tires so that is the only thing he should be punished for.  If the kid didn't obey the cop's words then the cop could rightfully attempt to arrest him.  If the kid didn't obey the cop's orders and submit to the arrest, then they should charge him with resisting arrest.  But no part of the story justifes the authorities taking one cent of his property IMHO. 


As a practical matter, confiscation isn't so funny when it happens to you.  Or when it happens to your kid and he loses your car for something that he didn't even do.  Not to turn this into a police-bashing session, but I have personally been given legal punishments for things that the cop blatantly made up.  It can, and does, happen.  The power of property confiscation is nothing to toss around lightly.

[Lennard]

It's a simple concept..Been round in Va. since I began driving...You get caught doing something illeagal like street racing, doing burnouts, excessive speeding(Over 100 MPH), etc. you to jail, you lose your ride, and it goes to public auction...Been that way since I can remember. If that kid was that ballsy, then he deserves to lose his ride. I stand behind what I said. Somebody's gotta teach these punks a lesson they won't be chanting "F*ck the police". It's called RESPECT. I think it's clear these punks don't have any. Cop WARNED him to stop and he didn't..
Lose the ride if you can't see when a cop is trying to be cool.

Then what should they do with someone that F*ck's up somebody elses car?

Well, I can only give you my personal opinion and experience with your question...Maybe this will help with understanding, maybe it won't, but sometimes, it's your only choice when people screw with you when you can't screw with them back. Especially, if they look at you and your gripe like it's "Nothing/Unimportant/easily dismissed", etc.

Had a female try that old "Get the white guy I don't like fired by using the race card" Bullsh*t. I knew she didn't like me and I her, but to get someone fired for it is being a POS IMO. So, with no further recourse after being "Escorted" to the door, I simply took out my frustrations on her ride at about 3:00 AM...

I heard she had to park that turd as it never ran again...

Don't try to act holier than the pope.

[bill440rt]

Doing burnouts with that many people standing that close by is just plain stupid. 

That's it. Carry on.

[daveco]

 
Just too many bystanders so close. If he hooks up just a little as he backs out of it, things could go really bad really fast.

[Rolling_Thunder]

this is where you find out the kid had a warrant for murder or something and the cops for reports he would be there so they arrested him there   

[Cooter]

Then what should they do with someone that F*ck's up somebody elses car?




Don't try to act holier than the pope.

"Holier than the pope?" WTF are you talking about?  The chick f*cked with me, she got her sh*t fu*cked up end of story.

In the first place, if the idiot kid woulda had some respect for the law, then he shouldn't end up f*cking up someone else's car now should he? Bottom line is you f*ck up someone else's car while acting like an idiot, then it's a cival matter for the courts to decide.

[Cooter]

Crimes are illegal but not viewpoints and respect levels.  And cops aren't everyone's parents.

The only crime the kid committed was burning the tires so that is the only thing he should be punished for.  If the kid didn't obey the cop's words then the cop could rightfully attempt to arrest him.  If the kid didn't obey the cop's orders and submit to the arrest, then they should charge him with resisting arrest.  But no part of the story justifes the authorities taking one cent of his property IMHO. 


As a practical matter, confiscation isn't so funny when it happens to you.  Or when it happens to your kid and he loses your car for something that he didn't even do.  Not to turn this into a police-bashing session, but I have personally been given legal punishments for things that the cop blatantly made up.  It can, and does, happen.  The power of property confiscation is nothing to toss around lightly.

I HAVE had vehicles seized Mike. Learned an imprtant lesson too. I learned not even your kin folk can get it back for you...Wanna know what? Stopped the street racing after that too.

[Mike DC]

                   
Well I guess that's your rightful opinion. 

IMHO it falls under "cruel & unusual" stuff.  If they wanna fine you $30,000 then they should fine you $30,000 - not decide to take a specific piece of $30,000 property from you instead of issuing any monetary fine.  Keeping it in dollars and cents keeps the authorities from making anything too personal.  And it keeps everything honest & clear about how much the authorities are really taking from people.  IMHO the USA was founded on these kinds of principles.   

[myk]

I HAVE had vehicles seized Mike. Learned an imprtant lesson too. I learned not even your kin folk can get it back for you...Wanna know what? Stopped the street racing after that too.
[/quote]

Gotta say that's what worked in California too, and back in the day a race could go down anywhere, anytime, whether it was safe or not.  I'm glad the street racing is pretty much dead, but I will also say that I'm not crazy about the idea of confiscation either.  I guess the only true course of action is for people to grow the hell up so we don't have to worry about street racing or government infringement...

[AKcharger]

I like how well behaved the on lookers are...very respectful bunch! 

[Mike DC]

I HAVE had vehicles seized Mike. Learned an imprtant lesson too. I learned not even your kin folk can get it back for you...Wanna know what? Stopped the street racing after that too.

Gotta say that's what worked in California too, and back in the day a race could go down anywhere, anytime, whether it was safe or not.  I'm glad the street racing is pretty much dead, but I will also say that I'm not crazy about the idea of confiscation either.  I guess the only true course of action is for people to grow the hell up so we don't have to worry about street racing or government infringement...

Okay.  

So they should fine people XXX dollars for street racing, and if you can't pay the fine after 30 or 60 or 90 days, THEN the authorities have the right to confiscate your vehicle to cover the debt.  (At which point, YOU get whatever money was left over after they sell the car at auction and recoup the fine amount.)  


And I don't believe for a second that nobody else has thought of this before now.  The authorities could be using a fair system to do these confiscations.  Why aren't they? 

 

[Cooter]

Had a 1975 Chevy Luv pick-up with a tight little small block 434 in it. Got busted  making a pass on Friday night, cop told me he COULD take my vehicle and I could be hauled in, but was gonna let me off with a ticket for illeagal street racing. I like these idiots in this video, got cocky and decided I'd push my luck again the next night (Sat.). I guess being young and dumb, I didn't figure all cops talked to each other and knew my vehicle and me by FIRST name basis, so I got busted again. This time the cop told me "You didn't learn anything from last night did 'ya?"  I was ok till he told me to step out of the truck and began removing my plates as he called the tow truck. Said these words I'll never forget....
"Since you feel the need to show everybody how fast this thing is out here on the street, you can let someone else have it now"...
I asked "What?" He said "you just lost your ride". I was 20 Y/O at the time. Never saw the auction, or even heard one word about that truck till a friend who has kin folk in another county said "What were you doing down my neck-o-the woods last night? I saw the Luv at Sonic"...

It was then that I knew even with the cops smart ass remark, I had better give this sh*t up. Never made another pass on the street after that. Then, I met the wifey in '97 and once kids came in the picture, I pretty much gave up racing all together.
Now, I'm lucky if I make it to the track once in a blue moon. Last time was 2005.

[cavemanno1]

I think taking your ride is way too steep!Fine you yeah,take your license away ok but taking your ride?What if it was someone else's ride then what?I think it is close to be like a police state rather then free country!What if they accuse you for making a pass and they wanna take your ride away!You guys and your love for suing everyone for everything how can they do this?

[Kern Dog]

Asset forfeiture is a nice term for stealing under the authority of the government. Taking a persons car or being arrested for doing a burnout is excessive. On the other hand, this video does not tell the whole story. The police may have cuffed and stuffed the guy, but then released him after citing him. I usually respect the badge, but not always the ones that they report to.
Cooter, your title of "Old Timer" should be changed to : "Old curmudgeon" since you write as if we all should never speed, fail to use proper turn signals or let our registration lapse for 83 seconds for fear of violating the law.  The siezure of property is a blatant abuse of government authority.
NO, I've never had anything siezed. I just hate big government.

[cavemanno1]

Asset forfeiture is a nice term for stealing under the authority of the government. Taking a persons car or being arrested for doing a burnout is excessive. On the other hand, this video does not tell the whole story. The police may have cuffed and stuffed the guy, but then released him after citing him. I usually respect the badge, but not always the ones that they report to.
Cooter, your title of "Old Timer" should be changed to : "Old curmudgeon" since you write as if we all should never speed, fail to use proper turn signals or let our registration lapse for 83 seconds for fear of violating the law.  The siezure of property is a blatant abuse of government authority.
NO, I've never had anything siezed. I just hate big government.

[Cooter]

Asset forfeiture is a nice term for stealing under the authority of the government. Taking a persons car or being arrested for doing a burnout is excessive. On the other hand, this video does not tell the whole story. The police may have cuffed and stuffed the guy, but then released him after citing him. I usually respect the badge, but not always the ones that they report to.
Cooter, your title of "Old Timer" should be changed to : "Old curmudgeon" since you write as if we all should never speed, fail to use proper turn signals or let our registration lapse for 83 seconds for fear of violating the law.  The siezure of property is a blatant abuse of government authority.
NO, I've never had anything siezed. I just hate big government.

Nope, hate big Government all you want, it is here and the more you fight it, the more it's gonna hurt..Just relax and don't break the f*cking law ..Simple...

[Kern Dog]

Oh Cooter, your perspective is just sad. You have apparantly given up. THAT's what THEY want.... Weak citizens that they can control.
When the laws are unjust, what sense is it to just lay down your pride and abide by them? How can anyone feel good about themselves when they go down THAT road?

[71 b-body charger]

If the car started to go sideways i can see them jumping in at that point, but with it staying in that one spot i see nothing wrong with it. Plus if he went forward the front of his (Rustang) would of been totaled.

[chargersb71]

I see nothing wrong with the burnout itself.  But I will not stand anywhere near that close to vehicles doing a burnout much less in that big of a crowd.

[Cooter]

Oh Cooter, your perspective is just sad. You have apparantly given up. THAT's what THEY want.... Weak citizens that they can control.
When the laws are unjust, what sense is it to just lay down your pride and abide by them? How can anyone feel good about themselves when they go down THAT road?

Youngin' you misunderstand and post accordingly. one more time. Try and grab this if you can. Nobody's "Given" up. All i was trying to convey to you was the fact that you want to fight the powers that be, fine go right ahead...Some of us are smarter and try NOT to be in the fighting position in the first place. By not doing something as STUPID and ARROGANT as this little PUNK did, you will never have to worry bout "Big Government"...

Only when you have people that once something like this happenes, they want to try and Call "Big Government" when this was clearly a case of Lack of respect for the law..You don't have any? Guess what? Sh*t like this happens. Some of us will never have to worry bout  having to deal with that end of the spectrum, as we tend to do our Burnouts at the track right before the front wheels leave the ground on our way to a mid 10 sec. pass, not on a street full of people after a cop just warned us to stop....That my friend is being a dumbass, arrogant, idiot...THAT is why I said what I said about these types of punks and taking their car.

[Kern Dog]

Okay Cooter, I see your point. I agree. Burnouts around crowds of people really isn't the actions of a person thinking responsibly.

[71charger]

I bet you if it was a old charger the cops would have let him go. lol thts what happens when you own a mustang...

[Mike DC]

 
Suppose I hate my neighbor and he steals stuff from me.  Then the cops put him in prison on a trumped-up charge just because they don't like him either. 

I might be glad the cops got him out of my hair.  I might not be sorry he got locked up.  But I would still vote against the authorities having the power to do what they did to him. 

[Ghoste]

An almost religious belief in the rights of the individual and private property are (were? ) one of the things that separate the United States from a very large part of the rest of the world.

[Cooter]

An almost religious belief in the rights of the individual and private property are (were? ) one of the things that separate the United States from a very large part of the rest of the world.

I'm a firm believer in individuals rights as much as the next guy, but round here, you get caught illeagally street racing/excessively speeding, you lose your ride. End of story. Believe all you want. Capital Punishment can be argued till the cows come home. Not even interested in trying. AGAIN, simple, don't break the damn law, you have nothing to worry bout. Too late to argue your "Rights" AFTER the fact.

[Ghoste]

Well, why stop there then?  Obviously people are still doing it so the message isnt getting through so why not take everything.  And why just for speeding or street racing?  If you break a law, you lose all property, period, end of story.

(you do see where this is going right?)

[SRT-440]

I understand them taking old hot rods, but these new cars with liens on them seems like more trouble than the cops are looking for...in other words..the car is owned by a bank or whatever. It would take a lot of paper work and man hours to handle that. If you do something stupid and get caught u need to pay the fine...there are other ways to kick ppl in the nuts than just taking their car.

There was prolly more to this story than just a burnout. Like Cooter said, it's possible this guy is a repeat offender and he just blew his last chance.

[Cooter]

Lemme see, I know full and well illeagal Drugs can cost me everything. Confiscated. No questions. I think i'll go out and cook up a batch and when the law (DEA) decides to "Confiscate" EVERYTHING I own (Even if I DID NOT buy it with drug money), I think I'm Gonna b*tch about how wrong it is to allow the law to "Take things" from decent people like myself who clearly knew I was breaking the law, but that shouldn't matter. This is the USA where I can and should be able to get all my possesions back. I mean what kind of country would this be if Drug Lords weren't allowed to keep their Bently's and $60 Million homes?

How DARE the DEA  and "Big Government" come and take my possesions just because I was told the day before what the consequeses of dealing/manufacturing/selling drugs was. Just because I was looking for the easy money, they can't do this!? This is an outrage!


[CAUTION: As stupid as this sounds, I'm sure there are a few that actually believe this.]

[Drache]

You're so right! Hell speeding is illegal isn't it? So how about if you go 5 over the speed limit you lose your ride? I like that idea!

[Ghoste]

Of course that particular program was started as seizing the assets of criminal activity, a not so subtle difference.  Even in that case, there is a thing about innocent until proven guilty, allowing the police to take your vehicle on the spot sounds like punishment without trial to me but whatever.
Suppose you had a 15 year old in the house who you were legally repsonsible for and he was doing a burnout in your car, should they take the car then?

[Mike DC]

Lemme see, I know full and well illeagal Drugs can cost me everything. Confiscated. No questions. I think i'll go out and cook up a batch and when the law (DEA) decides to "Confiscate" EVERYTHING I own (Even if I DID NOT buy it with drug money), I think I'm Gonna b*tch about how wrong it is to allow the law to "Take things" from decent people like myself who clearly knew I was breaking the law, but that shouldn't matter. This is the USA where I can and should be able to get all my possesions back. I mean what kind of country would this be if Drug Lords weren't allowed to keep their Bently's and $60 Million homes?

What kind of country is it where your punishment gets adjusted for how wealthy you are?  What kind of country is it where a Bentley owner loses hundreds of thousands of dollars and a crackhead only loses hundreds of dollars, for the same crime?  

This is nothing less than "income redistribution" by the judicial system. 

[Vainglory, Esq.]

Cooter, you're why this country can't have nice things. Put the hat on and sit in the corner.

[71 b-body charger]

You're so right! Hell speeding is illegal isn't it? So how about if you go 5 over the speed limit you lose your ride? I like that idea!

I wouldnt go as far as taking the ride. Get the people who go slower then speed limit ive never hear someone freak out or get road rage for someone going over speed limit. Now the people who go slow yeah they make me mad take their lisence and car. And for all you who dont understand sarcasm you need to learn it. I took most of what Cooter said in his last post as sarcasm. Drug Lords and Drug Dealers is what this country needs to worry about not some guy in a crappy ford doing a burn out.

[69finder]

They can pry the keys out of MY COLD DEAD HANDS!

[Silver R/T]

Looks like too much fast and furious there kid

[Cooter]

Cooter, you're why this country can't have nice things. Put the hat on and sit in the corner.

You sir, obviously have no clue know what I'm talking about and you your just trolling.
Nice things can be had, as long as you don't break the f*cking law with them.

Schools out have a nice day.

[Cooter]

You're so right! Hell speeding is illegal isn't it? So how about if you go 5 over the speed limit you lose your ride? I like that idea!

At what point did I say only "5 over" lose your ride? Again, trolling...

[Cooter]

Lemme see, I know full and well illeagal Drugs can cost me everything. Confiscated. No questions. I think i'll go out and cook up a batch and when the law (DEA) decides to "Confiscate" EVERYTHING I own (Even if I DID NOT buy it with drug money), I think I'm Gonna b*tch about how wrong it is to allow the law to "Take things" from decent people like myself who clearly knew I was breaking the law, but that shouldn't matter. This is the USA where I can and should be able to get all my possesions back. I mean what kind of country would this be if Drug Lords weren't allowed to keep their Bently's and $60 Million homes?

What kind of country is it where your punishment gets adjusted for how wealthy you are?  What kind of country is it where a Bentley owner loses hundreds of thousands of dollars and a crackhead only loses hundreds of dollars, for the same crime?  

This is nothing less than "income redistribution" by the judicial system.  

Obviously, you missed me here Mike. Funny, most times I'm sillently in agreement with most of your posts. This time however, you have stepped onto the soapbox on this one. NEVER did I even mention anything about "income redistribution" By the law. only thing I was trying to make a point about was the "Law" takes/siezes your assests when you get busted for drugs, so I guess that's kinda "Frowned" upon here too? I really don't know where you read into my post about only punishing the rich by class status. I stand by my original statement. You get busted BREAKING THE F*CKING LAW by excessively speeding, illeagal street racing, or just being a douchebag to a cop that tried to be cool by WARNING your stupid ass, you should lose your ride IMO [See my signature]. Respect for the law people, that's what I'm talking bout here. You can bet if there was a fatality in this sh*t, that punk would have lost that ride.

I can bet one thing, all of you folks seem to take that "We're not gonna take it" attitude while your NOT on the wrong side of the law, but I can guarantee one thing....
You get stopped for going 50 MPH OVER the limit, and I can bet your sweet ass you'll be giving that law officer your complete and sometimes going WAY OVERBOARD, Respect. Funny how some people can shout about "Rights" until they are sitting in their ride starring out the window at a cop ready to take them to jail..All of a sudden, they are like putty in the cops hands. Crying, begging, even going as far as to cuss the cop...All the while headed straight to the same spot, fighting the system or not, shouting about "rights" and all, still headed down the "Kiss the cops ass and hope you aren't going to jail and your ride is impounded" road. Feel free to shout about what an Injustice it is for the law to arrest you and impound your ride..Guess what? It's gonna happen anyway...

Nice try fellas, but you all know what I'm talking about here, you just wanna argue "Rights" over a punk kid that clearly gave up any and all "Rights" to his ride when he refused to obey the law officer and broke the law ANYWAY.

Making sure people that break the law have "Rights" is why we have prisoners in prison for raping little kids, cutting them up and eating them, filing law suits for not getting the proper haircut in prison...

[Drache]

You're so right! Hell speeding is illegal isn't it? So how about if you go 5 over the speed limit you lose your ride? I like that idea!

At what point did I say only "5 over" lose your ride? Again, trolling...

You are pretty much saying through this entire thread that it's ok for the police take someone's car if they are doing something illegal. Speeding even 5 over the posted limit is illegal right? So thus you would be ok with having your car confiscated.

[Mike DC]

Obviously, you missed me here Mike. Funny, most times I'm sillently in agreement with most of your posts. This time however, you have stepped onto the soapbox on this one. NEVER did I even mention anything about "income redistribution" By the law. only thing I was trying to make a point about was the "Law" takes/siezes your assests when you get busted for drugs, so I guess that's kinda "Frowned" upon here too? I really don't know where you read into my post about only punishing the rich by class status. I stand by my original statement. You get busted BREAKING THE F*CKING LAW by excessively speeding, illeagal street racing, or just being a douchebag to a cop that tried to be cool by WARNING your stupid ass, you should lose your ride IMO [See my signature]. Respect for the law people, that's what I'm talking bout here. You can bet if there was a fatality in this sh*t, that punk would have lost that ride.

Look at it this way:  Confiscating a $10,000 car while also giving the offender a $10,000 cash payoff for it would not exactly help stop the crime, would it?  My point is that the "punishment" being levied against the offender is basically a monetary fine, it's just being enacted in a (cruel and) usual way. 

So there you have it.  Two guys, rich and poor, commit the same crime.  The poor guy gets $1K taken from him.  The rich guy gets $100K taken away from him.  How is that not unfair legal punishment?  Would you be in favor of the govt raising your speeding fines depending on how much income you made last year, so that it always costs XX-percent of your yearly income no matter how much you make?  These kinds of confiscations are doing exactly that in principle.

I can bet one thing, all of you folks seem to take that "We're not gonna take it" attitude while your NOT on the wrong side of the law, but I can guarantee one thing....
You get stopped for going 50 MPH OVER the limit, and I can bet your sweet ass you'll be giving that law officer your complete and sometimes going WAY OVERBOARD, Respect. Funny how some people can shout about "Rights" until they are sitting in their ride starring out the window at a cop ready to take them to jail..All of a sudden, they are like putty in the cops hands. Crying, begging, even going as far as to cuss the cop...All the while headed straight to the same spot, fighting the system or not, shouting about "rights" and all, still headed down the "Kiss the cops ass and hope you aren't going to jail and your ride is impounded" road. Feel free to shout about what an Injustice it is for the law to arrest you and impound your ride..Guess what? It's gonna happen anyway...

Nice try fellas, but you all know what I'm talking about here, you just wanna argue "Rights" over a punk kid that clearly gave up any and all "Rights" to his ride when he refused to obey the law officer and broke the law ANYWAY.

I must obey an officer, I don't argue with that.  But "respect" is subjective.  I don't owe the officer that level of "respect".  (Yeah I will normally respect him unless he gives me a reason not to, but that's my personal decision.)  A cop has no right to punish you harder just because you verbally cussed him out while doing what he told you to do.  If you put that to a vote I guarantee the American public would agree with me on this.  If that kid spinning the tires wasn't obeying the cop's commands then there is already an existing charge for that - resisting arrest.  The existing laws already provide plenty of punishment options to stop the kid from doing anything.  We don't need to enact more punishing laws every time someone does something wrong.

From your viewpoint on this, "failure to show respect to an officer" is basically a crime that carries a $1-100,000+ fine.  Let's put it to a vote and see how much of the public agrees with that.  IMHO that is describing something more like a police state.  IMHO it is absolutely inconsistent with the Constitution's basic principles of limited govt.

[69finder]

It's the 'Legal' system, NOT the 'Justice' system.

There is no 'justice' in man made laws.  We just try to do what we try to do and hope to placate the masses (or keep them from Anarchy).    Cooter has pointed out the perfect case against big government.  Eventually you'll have citizens that think it's ok to hand over whatever rights we have, AND be content with it. 

[Cooter]

Look at it this way:  Confiscating a $10,000 car while also giving the offender a $10,000 cash payoff for it would not exactly help stop the crime, would it?  My point is that the "punishment" being levied against the offender is basically a monetary fine, it's just being enacted in a (cruel and) usual way. 

So there you have it.  Two guys, rich and poor, commit the same crime.  The poor guy gets $1K taken from him.  The rich guy gets $100K taken away from him.  How is that not unfair legal punishment?  Would you be in favor of the govt raising your speeding fines depending on how much income you made last year, so that it always costs XX-percent of your yearly income no matter how much you make?  These kinds of confiscations are doing exactly that in principle.




I must obey an officer, I don't argue with that.  But "respect" is subjective.  I don't owe the officer that level of "respect".  (Yeah I will normally respect him unless he gives me a reason not to, but that's my personal decision.)  A cop has no right to punish you harder just because you verbally cussed him out while doing what he told you to do.  If you put that to a vote I guarantee the American public would agree with me on this.  If that kid spinning the tires wasn't obeying the cop's commands then there is already an existing charge for that - resisting arrest.  The existing laws already provide plenty of punishment options to stop the kid from doing anything.  We don't need to enact more punishing laws every time someone does something wrong.

From your viewpoint on this, "failure to show respect to an officer" is basically a crime that carries a $1-100,000+ fine.  Let's put it to a vote and see how much of the public agrees with that.  IMHO that is describing something more like a police state.  IMHO it is absolutely inconsistent with the Constitution's basic principles of limited govt.

I tell you what Mike and the rest, Obviously, you guys missed my point and are trying to turn this into a "Rights/Big Government/whatever" type discussion..I'm one to reallise that if I cuss a cop while doing what I'm told he may not have the "Right" to punish harder, but you can bet your sweet ass it happens. Otherwise, when your in court and things aren't going your way, you could stand up and shout at the Judge/cop/lawyer/etc. Try that one time Public opinion or not, and see how much harder things are for you. Obviously, if I'm gonna get down and wrestle with a pig in the mud, sooner or later you begin to reallise the pig likes it.
You guys go ahead and cuss at cops, do burnouts when a cop has warned you not to,etc. Just hope you don't get caught, and are on the other end of the spectrum, cause all the "preaching" about "rights" and such won't matter.

[Mike DC]

I don't cuss out cops.  Not even when they've done some pretty unfair cussworthy stuff to me. 

I just think that if I did, it shouldn't cost me my car. 




Another issue with the confiscation subject is the timing - it's an officer meting out sentencing by the side of the road.  There is a reason that we normally leave sentencing decisions to a judge.  A judge is a different job which calls for different types of people doing it.  It's a controlled environment with a record of everything being said, both sides show respect for each other, etc. 

The court is time to be fair to everyone and decide what happened.  The arrest is not that time.  During an arrest the emotions are high, there is a real element of danger, and tempers are prone to flaring on both sides.  That's why the rules about who can do what to whom during an arrest need to be carefully thought out and limited.

If the judge decides to fine somebody the price of a car, and the legal system allows that under the general sentencing guidelines for the crime that he was convicted of, and the whole thing is subject to the proper appeals, etc.  .  .  .  that's perfectly fine IMHO.

[Ghoste]

How does cussing out a cop equate to it being okay for "them"  (be it state, municipality, county whatever) to seize my property?  Challenging the police won't help you, I think we are mostly all reasonably intelligent enough to know that.  What I can't seem to able to do is connect that part of your argument to them having a "right"  to take property.   If I understand, you don't see 5 mph as being a "seize-worthy" crime.  Why not?  A law was broken.  What is the limit then?  Who decides?  What if they decide to lower it?  Where does it stop?  You mention drug lords, yes they are terrible people and no sympathy for them, but why stop there?  Does the threat of their ill gotten gains stop them?  No?  Well then clearly the loss of property isn't a deterrent is it?  So what is it?
It's public revenge. Does it change when it is applied to a non drug peddling citizen like the kid in the Mustang?  It wasn't a deterrent.  Your loss caused you to stop street racing.  Good (and thank you btw) but was the threat a deterrent?  Was it a form of state sanctioned revenge?  Should the justice system or local police be engaged in revenge?

[Cooter]

Ghoste,  AGAIN, see my signature. This is My opinion..To all who obviously cannot seem to grasp the concept of "If you can't agree with post here in" please feel free to go straight to hell and do not pass go...Do not collect $200.00...(You see where I'm going with this?")

[Ghoste]

Yes, I've read your disclaimer.  You do realize obviously that it works the other way around too.  Word for word.  

[71 b-body charger]

Yes, I've read your disclaimer.  You do realize obviously that it works the other way around too.  Word for word.

I agree 110%

[Vainglory, Esq.]

Yes, I've read your disclaimer.  You do realize obviously that it works the other way around too.  Word for word.  

He disagrees with you though. So you must be a troll.

[Indygenerallee]

 

[Cooter]

Yes, I've read your disclaimer.  You do realize obviously that it works the other way around too.  Word for word.  

He disagrees with you though. So you must be a troll.

There are ways to disagree without pissing someone off..Since you obviously can't see the difference, .Until You can, you are only coming into this thread for the "Trolling"...Lemme try and help you "Friend" .

[Cooter]

Yes, I've read your disclaimer.  You do realize obviously that it works the other way around too.  Word for word.  

Then we have nothing further to talk about. I see it differently than you..Maybe I didn't make it clear enough in my discalimer? Maybe you replied here twenty some odd times asking me questions trying to discreadit my opinion on this because??
(You see where I'm going with this?)

[Cooter]

Yes, I've read your disclaimer.  You do realize obviously that it works the other way around too.  Word for word.

I agree 110%

And YOU would be?? One post and it this? 

[Ghoste]

The disclaimer is crystal clear as is the direction you are going.  What doesn't seem to be clear is that I have an equal right to disagree with you.  Some call it debate, some call it discussion, some see it as trying to discredit their opinion.  I haven't actually counted the number of times I disagreed with your opinion in this open forum but if you say it is 20 odd I certainly believe you.  I would point out that you replied to me an equal or nearly equal number of times in addition to participating in the dialogue with others who expressed an opinion different from your own.  I didn't take your replies as an affront in any way but I suppose any time there is disagreement on a topic between people it could be taken that one party is hoping to discredit the idea or opinion of another party.  I prefer to see the glass as half full and rather than trying to discredit others, we are all trying instead to promote the idea we each feel more strongly about.
However I do agree with you fully on one point, there is nothing further to discuss here since we have left the original topic and even the tangential topics so far behind that we have spun off into a useless exchange of diatribe about opinion disclaimers and so forth.

[71 b-body charger]

Yes, I've read your disclaimer.  You do realize obviously that it works the other way around too.  Word for word.

I agree 110%

And YOU would be?? One post and it this? 

I had more then one post on this and its true the disclaimer works both ways, people dont realize you have to read between then lines

[Stretch]

I'm sorry but doing that burnout with all those people around was stupid! The other cars just "chirped" the tires (still stupid with all those people around) What if one of the mustangs tires came apart? What if the drive shaft let go? What if the engine came apart? What if the clutch blew? What if he just flat lost it?

Where would you stand on this if one of those things happened and a family member of YOURS was killed?

I'm guessing the kid was cuffed because he took it too far and didn't stop. I'm also guessing that with all that smoke and the heat of the moment he had no idea it was a officer taping him on the sholder telling him to stop.

Stupid as the act was, you have to admit that 'stang sounded pretty dam good doing it.

As for the crowd, Not much respect there either.

[aussiemuscle]

IMHO it falls under "cruel & unusual" stuff.  If they wanna fine you $30,000 then they should fine you $30,000 - not decide to take a specific piece of $30,000 property from you instead of issuing any monetary fine.  Keeping it in dollars and cents keeps the authorities from making anything too personal.  And it keeps everything honest & clear about how much the authorities are really taking from people.  IMHO the USA was founded on these kinds of principles.   

In Australia, they not only impound your car, they also (instead of on-selling it) stick it in the crusher! 
They've even gone so far as to impound rentals and even cars that were used without the owners consent (eg mechanic taking their car for a 'test drive').