How many still want a 440?

[irish_in_ny]

I'm happy with my stock 318 

[AirborneSilva]

I'm happy with my stock 318 

Have you ever driven a 440, no I mean really DRIVEN, it's a spiritual experience 

[road/track]

If we continue to drive 440 in Sweden with a gas price of $8 per gallon  I guess u will..

I think the saying goes it's not how many miles per gallon, but SMILES per gallon. 

My wife actually ask me to take a ride in the Charger when I'm in a bad mood. 

[AirborneSilva]

My wife actually ask me to take a ride in the Charger when I'm in a bad mood. 

Smart wife, she knows what makes a man happy - well one of the things that makes a man happy 

[tan top]

Don't get all crazy on me here, but I'm SERIOUSLY considering putting an LS7 under the hood of the '68 and mothballing the 440. It's literally thousands less than a 6.1 or 6.4 HEMI, they're bulletproof, have a MASSIVE aftermarket and at days end make GOBS of power for not a lot of money.

And no... this is not a joke. I've been doing a lot of research and for my needs (long distance rallying, road racing and auto cross) it makes sense. If ya'll have a well thought out alternative let me know. Also, I don't want to hear "It's not a Mopar" or any of that BS - understand that this is a car I'll NEVER sell, so look at the big picture here and not just the brand.

 as much as i hate to say it     ,  the price of building  & or a Crate mopar engine , making the same or more than a Chebby  is three times as much  money in some cases , if the power levels  of the Chebby engines are 100% correct .   if your a GM fan its so much easier  
     

[NYCMille]

Its all dollars and sense right? It will literally cost me half to go with a properly built ls-based engine than a new gen hemi. Yes i can get 5.7 for relatively cheap and yes i could add a supercharger, but i honestly don't like power adders. 6.1's are still big money and 6.4's are unobtainable. Honestlynnot sure which way to go.

[TUFCAT]

If you're worried about gas mileage, you're in the wrong hobby.  

However, on the other side of the equation I'm still okay with my 318 (for maybe one more year?)

Sure I want more performance.  I even have a completely rebuilt 383 sitting...waiting to go in  Either I've been unwilling, lazy, not interested, or bored?  

It's a shame this damn little 318 has been so reliable and performed so well...! Otherwise it would've become an artificial reef in a nearly lake by now.

[firefighter3931]

Don't get all crazy on me here, but I'm SERIOUSLY considering putting an LS7 under the hood of the '68 and mothballing the 440. It's literally thousands less than a 6.1 or 6.4 HEMI, they're bulletproof, have a MASSIVE aftermarket and at days end make GOBS of power for not a lot of money.

And no... this is not a joke. I've been doing a lot of research and for my needs (long distance rallying, road racing and auto cross) it makes sense. If ya'll have a well thought out alternative let me know. Also, I don't want to hear "It's not a Mopar" or any of that BS - understand that this is a car I'll NEVER sell, so look at the big picture here and not just the brand.

There's no way i'd ever install a GM based powerplant in a Mopar. A Charger is not just a car...it's an Icon and deserves respect 

You'll never see a TKO or 9in Ford rear end in any of my cars either. I guess i'm just too brand loyal.

A 5.7 can make descent power and there are aftermarket cranks/rods/pistons and a variety of cam profiles to make them run hard.....just as strong as an LS motor. 

Chevy stuff is allways going to be cheaper....volume sales & mass production.


Ron


Ps. On the original question ; the bigger the better. The latest engine is a 572 so gas milage is a non issue. 

[RallyeMike]

me.   

[WhiteLightninn]

I have two questions. I'm 16 so bare with me  

What would be cheapest/easiest way to obtain 350+hp?
My dad and I have a 1976 440 block in our barn just waiting to be built and put in, but how much would that cost?


My 318 is fine and all but I rode in my friends grandpas LS1 68 Camaro, and boy was that thing fun. I need speed.  

[WhiteLightninn]

Oh and its only a matter of time till my dad sees my post and yells at me about how ungrateful i am!

i was just wondering dad 

[greenpigs]

I have two questions. I'm 16 so bare with me  

What would be cheapest/easiest way to obtain 350+hp?
My dad and I have a 1976 440 block in our barn just waiting to be built and put in, but how much would that cost?


My 318 is fine and all but I rode in my friends grandpas LS1 68 Camaro, and boy was that thing fun. I need speed.  

Get the "six pack" pistons or the replacement for them & give Lunati a call for a camshaft.

[1974dodgecharger]

I have two questions. I'm 16 so bare with me  

What would be cheapest/easiest way to obtain 350+hp?
My dad and I have a 1976 440 block in our barn just waiting to be built and put in, but how much would that cost?


My 318 is fine and all but I rode in my friends grandpas LS1 68 Camaro, and boy was that thing fun. I need speed.  

he did say waiting to be rebuilt which means the wallet is he limit on this rebuild thats for sure.

Get the "six pack" pistons or the replacement for them & give Lunati a call for a camshaft.

[greenpigs]

No real way to get an honest 350 HP with the stock crap 76 pistons, so if $ tight he needs to save up till he can get the pistons.

[Rolling_Thunder]

Hmmmm    LS7 is a nice engine - however I think the 6.1 is available for less than what you possibly think.

There is a 6.1L short block on LX forums for $1400 in Northern CA ---  Add some ported heads, custom intake, etc --- 

Just curious as the MSRP for the crate LS7 is $16,956.00     

MSRP on a crate 6.1L is $8,990.00 with controller

The LS7 does make more power at 505hp vs the hemi rated at 425hp...   but at almost double the price is it justified?   

Your car an all but I see the new Hemi stuff being just as affordable as the LS stuff in the next couple years.   

[shart70rt]

500" stroker here, Passon Performance Overdrive hemi 4 spd, 3.54 Dana.

Built this motor with 9.6 compression, Edelbrock heads, so I can use pump gas instead of premium and 2 cans of 104+ in the previous 440.

7 mpg is better with two Edelbrock 600's is better than 4 mpg on the previous motor with a 850 DP.

[Mike DC]

500" stroker here, Passon Performance Overdrive hemi 4 spd, 3.54 Dana.

Are you happy with the Passon 4spd OD?  

I'm assuming that's the recent aftermarket OD gearset kit they came out with, not the factory-style OD setup with the 3rd & 4th gears reversed?

[1974dodgecharger]

500" stroker here, Passon Performance Overdrive hemi 4 spd, 3.54 Dana.

Built this motor with 9.6 compression, Edelbrock heads, so I can use pump gas instead of premium and 2 cans of 104+ in the previous 440.

7 mpg is better with two Edelbrock 600's is better than 4 mpg on the previous motor with a 850 DP.

Wowzers is that 4mpg with the previous 500 engine also? Man that must be sweet!!!!!

[Tilar]

Don't get all crazy on me here, but I'm SERIOUSLY considering putting an LS7 under the hood of the '68 and mothballing the 440. It's literally thousands less than a 6.1 or 6.4 HEMI, they're bulletproof, have a MASSIVE aftermarket and at days end make GOBS of power for not a lot of money.

And no... this is not a joke. I've been doing a lot of research and for my needs (long distance rallying, road racing and auto cross) it makes sense. If ya'll have a well thought out alternative let me know. Also, I don't want to hear "It's not a Mopar" or any of that BS - understand that this is a car I'll NEVER sell, so look at the big picture here and not just the brand.

There's no way i'd ever install a GM based powerplant in a Mopar. A Charger is not just a car...it's an Icon and deserves respect  

Ron

Gotta agree here, If I were going to drop an LS7 in anything it would be a Camaro or Chevelle.

[shart70rt]

It was 4 mpg with the high compression 440 and 850 Barry Grant.

Yes it is the Passion Performance overdrive gearset. Everything he claimed it to be. Very satisfied. May have to sell the 4 speed one day and go with his 5 speed when it is ready.

[1974dodgecharger]

It was 4 mpg with the high compression 440 and 850 Barry Grant.

Yes it is the Passion Performance overdrive gearset. Everything he claimed it to be. Very satisfied. May have to sell the 4 speed one day and go with his 5 speed when it is ready.

have any expeience with the tremeco vs your passion? They have a 5 speeder too cost about 3k complete kit to manual conversion also.....

[Troy]

It was 4 mpg with the high compression 440 and 850 Barry Grant.

Yes it is the Passion Performance overdrive gearset. Everything he claimed it to be. Very satisfied. May have to sell the 4 speed one day and go with his 5 speed when it is ready.

have any expeience with the tremeco vs your passion? They have a 5 speeder too cost about 3k complete kit to manual conversion also.....

Not even close to the same thing. The Passon is dimensionally the same size as the original. For any of the Tremec conversions you have to cut the floor. Depending on which Tremec you get they won't hanle nearly the same amount of power. The Passon 4-speed OD gear set (which you can install in any original case) is $1900. It's an 18-spline input and is very different from the Mopar 4-speed OD with the flipped 3-4 lever.

Troy

[ITSA426]

I've got a Passon overdrive behind my 440.  Love it.  Easy install, everything fit and no modifications.  I'd like to look at his five speed when it's available, but I hear it's gonna be real spendy.  My 440 is now into double digit gas mileage.

[1974dodgecharger]

Wow, thanks troy didnt know that man and the price WOWZERS!!! I only know tremec since they claim all 'pros' use it with high HP. Gonna have to look into that speed passions....

It was 4 mpg with the high compression 440 and 850 Barry Grant.

Yes it is the Passion Performance overdrive gearset. Everything he claimed it to be. Very satisfied. May have to sell the 4 speed one day and go with his 5 speed when it is ready.

have any expeience with the tremeco vs your passion? They have a 5 speeder too cost about 3k complete kit to manual conversion also.....

Not even close to the same thing. The Passon is dimensionally the same size as the original. For any of the Tremec conversions you have to cut the floor. Depending on which Tremec you get they won't hanle nearly the same amount of power. The Passon 4-speed OD gear set (which you can install in any original case) is $1900. It's an 18-spline input and is very different from the Mopar 4-speed OD with the flipped 3-4 lever.

Troy

[Supercharged Riot]

If any of you dont wanna 440 anymore give it me!