100 MPG on a V8 in 1978 ?? Interesting read

[sportony]

Interesting read......  Not sure of the validity, but interesting none the less.

http://truedemocracyparty.net/2011/09/vapor-fuel-system-tom-ogle-full-story/

[Ghoste]

I call  on the story.  I've been hearing this one since the mid 70's and only the names and locations change slightly.  Even had a prof at college insist he was a personal friend of the "guy" (this time he lived in Detroit) who invented a carb that got 100mpg but theoil companies bought it blah blah blah.
I think that source in the link could be a little questionable but thats an opinion.

[tan top]

  read &  heard a number of storys  over the years ,   if only eh

[Dino]

So apparently there were several people who fabricated a device that once installed could make a car  drive several hundred miles on a few gallons...okay...so what's stopping mechanics now from doing the same? 

Come on guys, make a vaporizerthingymajiggy for our dinosaurs!

[sportony]

ALSO - on the website, if you go to the right and down a bit, it has a link to "new energy" and under it has a listing for a Pogue Carburetor.  Again, interesting read, but cannot validate the accuracy. 

Big Daddy Don Garlits has one of these miracle carbs in his museum.  Also interesting, is the fact that the patent on the invention runs out this year.  I Wonder what that means for the near future for inventors ??   

[Ghoste]

I still call bs.  I think Garlits just has it for a curiousity and if it worked there would be a testimonial from him.  I cant believe for a second Garlits would own one and not try it out.  Interestingly there is no record there on what Don thinks, just a photo of him holding one.
Did find this though.

http://www.mikebrownsolutions.com/fish3.htm

[404NOTFOUND]

Total BS. I remember it well. Physics are against it. A big heavy car with a V8? Think of the amount of fuel needed just to create a proper mixture in an old V8. Some people believed it in 1978. I never did.  Look at the cars we have now and we're still not there. How come you can only get 90 mpg with a computer controlled, fuel injected, intercooled, turbocharged, diesel powered smart car while driving as carefully as possible? That's with a 0.8 litre, 3 cylinder engine and an 1800 pound car on low resistance tires. Maybe 100 mpg drafting trucks. Think about it.

[sportony]

Thanks for the mikebrownsolutions article..... again, more interesting stuff.  it does sound like BS....  but hey, I never said it wasn't...... its just interesting to ponder theories that never occured to me before. 

[Tilar]

Dad used to work with a guy that had a 69 New Yorker that claimed he got 38 mpg with it. Supposedly Chrysler contacted him and told him that his car had a "test carburetor" on it and they wanted it back. Even offered him $1000 to get it back. Apparently someone really did break in his garage and steal the carburetor off the car.

Personally I don't see that kind of mileage happening with the technology available back then with a carb, but I do think it is possible with todays technology.

[Ghoste]

Wierd how many people I have talked to that worked with (knew, lived next door to, were related to etc.) that had the exact same thing happen.  There sure were an awful lot of these high mileage carbs getting accidentally released to the public.  It must have kept the men in black suits very busy trying to buy them all back.  Not to mention the army of ninjas they must have had to maintain to keep stealing them back.

[Vainglory, Esq.]

There's this car, that runs on... it runs on water, man!

Water, man!

[Tilar]

There's this car, that runs on... it runs on water, man!

Water, man!

That's a lot more probable than a 40 mpg new yorker.

[sportony]

Well,  MAYBE NOT COMPLETE BS....... check out the read below.  I sincerely doubt anyone else was (or is) as sharp as Smokey Yunick was, and his hot vaporized fuel intake did make substantial increase in MPG (granted not 100 + miles per gallon, but still very impressive numbers).

http://www.hotrod.com/techarticles/engine/hrdp_1009_what_ever_happened_to_smokeys_hot_vapor_engine/viewall.html

[bull]

Well,  MAYBE NOT COMPLETE BS....... check out the read below.  I sincerely doubt anyone else was (or is) as sharp as Smokey Yunick was, and his hot vaporized fuel intake did make substantial increase in MPG (granted not 100 + miles per gallon, but still very impressive numbers).

http://www.hotrod.com/techarticles/engine/hrdp_1009_what_ever_happened_to_smokeys_hot_vapor_engine/viewall.html

Impressive, yes, but it's obvious that creating an entirely new type of engine that got "as high as" 51 mpg using a small, light car is a far cry different than the legend of making only a single, bolt-on modification to a two-ton car that does 100 mpg. The VW TDIs are into the 50-60 mpg range in those contests and I know for a fact that those cruddy VW Jettas from the mid 80s could get as high as 50 mpg with no modifications.

[F8-4life]

I too have heard these old tales of lore regarding this conspericy carb. I'd like to believe them. Weirder things have happened.

[69hemidaytona]

I am convinced that human nature is such that we are easily fooled into believing conspiracy theories. Think of how many different ones are out there on a wide variety of subjects. Why would a person sell the rights to a 100 mpg carb to the oil companies when much more money could be made selling hundreds of millions of them worldwide?

[cavemanno1]

We all wish it was true and everything would be cheaper since transportation linked to almost everything!100mpg,would drive the charger to the toilette as well!
People believe whatever they can but then again there are so many things we can't explain!

Why he sold it and not just give it away for free or sell it?Who knows now even if it's true!But then history already showed us that what we thought a new invention thousands of years ago it already existed but forgotten!Not saying it must be true but because we can't think of a way how it's possible it doesn't mean it is not!

[sportony]

Well, I obviously wouldn't expect 50 mpg out of a 2 ton car; but hey - is 28-30 mpg out of the realm of possibility - maybe now but what about in the next 10 years ?  I just thought that taking a crappy pontiac fiero, which was 1/3 the cost of a corvette back in the day, making it faster than a vette, and then getting 51 mpg to boot was pretty damn impressive.  I'm not saying I believe in the mythological 100 mpg carberator; I just posted the articles because they are interesting, even if they are rather incredible. It just made me think about a topic that I so often take for granted. I'm not trying to sell an idea to anyone here......... just interesting stuff to read. 

[Ghoste]

It is interesting, especially the work Yunick did.  But the miracle carb exists in the same realm as magnets on the fuel line.

[Tilar]

Well,  MAYBE NOT COMPLETE BS....... check out the read below.  I sincerely doubt anyone else was (or is) as sharp as Smokey Yunick was, and his hot vaporized fuel intake did make substantial increase in MPG (granted not 100 + miles per gallon, but still very impressive numbers).

http://www.hotrod.com/techarticles/engine/hrdp_1009_what_ever_happened_to_smokeys_hot_vapor_engine/viewall.html

The engine that Rudolf Diesel developed did not run off of any petroleum product, It was designed to run off of a water/ammonia solution. He was supposedly killed over it because he refused to sell it to the oil companies who did end up with the rights to it, and it now runs off of diesel fuel which is named for the man that developed the engine.  There is a lot of interesting information on the net about him.

[Tilar]

I am convinced that human nature is such that we are easily fooled into believing conspiracy theories. Think of how many different ones are out there on a wide variety of subjects. Why would a person sell the rights to a 100 mpg carb to the oil companies when much more money could be made selling hundreds of millions of them worldwide?

It's easy to be fooled by it because people tend to want to believe people are inherently honest, and many are not.

As far as why sell the rights to a 100mpg carb I can see a couple reasons, One is cost of getting it to production for an individual, Another might be someone pushing a gun down your throat and threatening to kill you and your family if you don't sell it.

I'd tend to believe the latter might be the reason.

[aussiemuscle]

The thing is, gasoline is pretty well known. there's a certain amount of potential energy in it, and no fancy carburettor is going to change the physics of the ICE to produce vastly more power/economy. When they say it's not physically possible to get that much mileage, they mean physics don't allow it.

also mythbusters tested a heap of internet patents and designs and didn't find any that improved their car's economy, let alone got the claimed savings.

[Mike DC]

                           

Exactly.  There's a finite amount of energy stored in the fuel.  And there's practical limit to the efficiency of even the most developed technologies.  These stories are bunk.  

[draftingmonkey]

Well,  MAYBE NOT COMPLETE BS....... check out the read below.  I sincerely doubt anyone else was (or is) as sharp as Smokey Yunick was, and his hot vaporized fuel intake did make substantial increase in MPG (granted not 100 + miles per gallon, but still very impressive numbers).

http://www.hotrod.com/techarticles/engine/hrdp_1009_what_ever_happened_to_smokeys_hot_vapor_engine/viewall.html

Impressive, yes, but it's obvious that creating an entirely new type of engine that got "as high as" 51 mpg using a small, light car is a far cry different than the legend of making only a single, bolt-on modification to a two-ton car that does 100 mpg. The VW TDIs are into the 50-60 mpg range in those contests and I know for a fact that those cruddy VW Jettas from the mid 80s could get as high as 50 mpg with no modifications.

I followed the Yunick story for a number of years.  Would have been interesting to see where it would have gone if he had not passed on.

As for VW diesels.  I had an '80 Rabbit diesel.  Ran 35mpg in town and 50mpg on the hwy (where mostly level).  Knew a guy who pushed near 70 mpg.  No mods, it was all in adjusting the fuel injection timing.  The trade-off for higher mileage was less power. Was great while I was a starving college student.

[Kern Dog]

These myths sound great because they seem to address a need in society. Sure, it would be great to "stick it" to the oil companies with 100 mpg engines while having a big, safe, comfortable car. Its FUN to think that it is possible. It's like taking a pill that adds 3 inches or a full head of hair. Our better sense tells us to doubt it, but our "hopeful" side wants us to believe!