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Blower Info Needed

Started by Charger4404spd, February 27, 2012, 02:20:42 PM

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Charger4404spd

OK, so I have always wanted a blower, mainly for the sound and cool factor. I have the top of engine off right now because my intentions were to install a set of Eddy heads. I now have the blower bug and need to know if you guys think this combo will be reliable.

Motor is a .040" over 440 , 69 block, steel crank and factory rods. Pistons are SpeedPro forged flatops (L2266). So I know compression should be under 9 to 1, I will use my 906 heads instead of going with the Eddy heads. I have not cc'd them yet. I have .080" piston to deck clearance. Now if I use a thick head gasket, I should be able to get well in under 9 to 1. I hope. I will cc my heads this week. I have punched in a few numbers in the compression calculator.

bore                 4.36
stroke               3.75
cc                    90 (just a guess, it will probably be more)

deck clearance  .080"
gasket             .050"

Using these numbers I get 8.53:1 compression.

I could use a thicker gasket I guess to even lower this if necessary?

I am assuming I could run around 6lbs of boost. I know next to nothing about forced induction, so I value comments from you guys.
So is this doable and still be a reliable engine. The Charger will not see track time, just cruising.

Also, I am currently looking at a blower from SuperChargerUSA. Anyone have any comments about this company? They have a 3 year warranty and their prices are a little lower than BDS. From what I have read, a guy left BDS years ago and started this company.

Steve

Charger4404spd

Here is the piston info:

Compression ratio is

figured with 78.5cc heads.



Forged Piston Flat Top, 4.360 Bore, 3.375 Stroke, 6.768 Rod, 440 Chrysler (L2266F-40) Specifications
Bore Diameter (in.):      4.35
Compression Ratio:      9.30:1
Dish / Dome Volume (cc):      -7
Pin Height (in.):      1.991
Ring Package:      5/64 5/64 3/16
Rod Length (in.):      6.768
Stroke (in.):      3.375
Weight (grams):      876
Wrist Pin Type:      Pressed

cdr

I would have the combustion chambers opened up on the eddys to get the compression you want  8 to 8.5, if you use your 906 heads it will cost alot to get valve & good seats, guides for unleaded fuel just my :Twocents:
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cdr

 your cam will need to have at least112 to 114 lobe sep, to work with a blower :drool5:
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Charger4404spd

I have been running the 906 heads for a while, I will take them to be checked out and get a good 3 angle valve job.

cdr

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68 Charger 512 cid,9.7to1,Hilborn EFI,Home ported 440 source heads,small hyd roller cam,COLD A/C ,,a518 trans,Dana 60 ,4.10 gear,10.93 et,4100lbs on street tires full exhaust daily driver
Charger55 by Charlie Keel, on Flickr

Charger4404spd

I just cc'd the heads and best I can tell is they are around 95cc (maybe a bit more), which should bring my compression down to 7.99:1 with a .039" head gasket. :2thumbs:

cdr

takr a pic of combustion chamber & post,sounds like the valves are sunk
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68 Charger 512 cid,9.7to1,Hilborn EFI,Home ported 440 source heads,small hyd roller cam,COLD A/C ,,a518 trans,Dana 60 ,4.10 gear,10.93 et,4100lbs on street tires full exhaust daily driver
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68 Charger 512 cid,9.7to1,Hilborn EFI,Home ported 440 source heads,small hyd roller cam,COLD A/C ,,a518 trans,Dana 60 ,4.10 gear,10.93 et,4100lbs on street tires full exhaust daily driver
Charger55 by Charlie Keel, on Flickr

Charger4404spd


Rolling_Thunder

I know John (SRT68) had a blown 440 in his 55 pickup for years and never had a problem. I believe he was running an 8-71 with iron heads. Might want to PM him and ask about his set up - 


I am currently lookin into blowers myself...     I already told myself if I get this new job - it's on.   :2thumbs:
1968 Dodge Charger - 6.1L Hemi / 6-speed / 3.55 Sure Grip

2013 Dodge Challenger R/T - 5.7L Hemi / 6-speed / 3.73 Limited Slip

1964 Dodge Polara 500 - 440 / 4-speed / 3.91 Sure Grip

1973 Dodge Challenger Rallye - 340 / A-518 / 3.23 Sure Grip

firefighter3931

My buddy ran that exact same combo for several years ; 906 heads/stock crank & rods with 2266 pistons and a solid flat tappet cam with a 671 supercharger and it ran great. Keep the boost under 10psi and it will be fine  :2thumbs: A 112 lsa cam with an extra 6-8* exhaust duration would be ideal for a mild street blower setup.  :yesnod:


Ron
68 Charger R/T "Black Pig" Street/Strip bruiser, 70 Charger R/T 440-6bbl Cruiser. Firecore ignition  authorized dealer ; contact me with your needs

Rolling_Thunder

Yeah - If I remeber John's combo at all he was pushing 8psi and ran some old lazy SSI cam from PAW
1968 Dodge Charger - 6.1L Hemi / 6-speed / 3.55 Sure Grip

2013 Dodge Challenger R/T - 5.7L Hemi / 6-speed / 3.73 Limited Slip

1964 Dodge Polara 500 - 440 / 4-speed / 3.91 Sure Grip

1973 Dodge Challenger Rallye - 340 / A-518 / 3.23 Sure Grip

Charger4404spd

Thanks guys! I am looking at Don Hampton blowers also. Has anyone ever dealt with him?

Another question. Will the Mopar electronic ign. be ok to run? Maybe upgrade to the chrome box?

Rolling_Thunder

I would run an MSD unit for peace of mind. Not only for the multi-spark aspect but the added benefit of a rev-limiter. Blower motors love to rev fast and anything over 6000rpm you'll be s***ing your pants anyway. Again, just my opinion and what I've seen.

I have no experience with Hampton
1968 Dodge Charger - 6.1L Hemi / 6-speed / 3.55 Sure Grip

2013 Dodge Challenger R/T - 5.7L Hemi / 6-speed / 3.73 Limited Slip

1964 Dodge Polara 500 - 440 / 4-speed / 3.91 Sure Grip

1973 Dodge Challenger Rallye - 340 / A-518 / 3.23 Sure Grip

Charger4404spd


firefighter3931

Quote from: Rolling_Thunder on February 28, 2012, 11:20:14 PM
I would run an MSD unit for peace of mind. Not only for the multi-spark aspect but the added benefit of a rev-limiter. Blower motors love to rev fast and anything over 6000rpm you'll be s***ing your pants anyway.

There's no need to rev a blower motor...power is instantaneous off idle !  :punkrocka: :fireangry:

Agree with Alex on the MSD. Blowers make lots of cylinder pressure so you need a really strong spark to light up the mixture. MSD, strong coil and good wires  :2thumbs:



Ron
68 Charger R/T "Black Pig" Street/Strip bruiser, 70 Charger R/T 440-6bbl Cruiser. Firecore ignition  authorized dealer ; contact me with your needs

Charger4404spd

Will the MSD box work with the Mopar distributor or will I need to upgrade it to MSD also.

Rolling_Thunder

I have run an MSD box on a MP dizzy - just connect the two wires correctly and she'll fire.
1968 Dodge Charger - 6.1L Hemi / 6-speed / 3.55 Sure Grip

2013 Dodge Challenger R/T - 5.7L Hemi / 6-speed / 3.73 Limited Slip

1964 Dodge Polara 500 - 440 / 4-speed / 3.91 Sure Grip

1973 Dodge Challenger Rallye - 340 / A-518 / 3.23 Sure Grip

Charger4404spd


John_Kunkel


Here's my old street-driven '62 Dart circa 1976; 426 Wedge, 6-71 blower driven 15% over, two 780 Holleys, 7.8 compression, Crane R-280 cam and Mopar Electronic Ignition. Run on Chevron White Pump 104 octane gas. Very docile, very driveable.
Pardon me but my karma just ran over your dogma.

Charger4404spd

Sweet ride John. :2thumbs:

Little update. I spoke with Don Hampton yesterday. Told him what I had and what I wanted and he said it would be a good combo. He said the 6-71 would be as good as the 8-71(only 1 inch difference between the two) and I would save $500 and I could run 7lbs of boost and not worry about anything. He had me to call Engle Cams and I spoke to Chris there. He recommends the K56 grind with a 112° centerline.

Also going to order a set of MRE valves (2.14/1.81) and 10° locks for the 906 heads. So things are coming together nicely.... now I just need to save a little more milk money :icon_smile_big:

Rolling_Thunder

mmmm   Engle Cams...    K56 is a nice docile cam for the street.
1968 Dodge Charger - 6.1L Hemi / 6-speed / 3.55 Sure Grip

2013 Dodge Challenger R/T - 5.7L Hemi / 6-speed / 3.73 Limited Slip

1964 Dodge Polara 500 - 440 / 4-speed / 3.91 Sure Grip

1973 Dodge Challenger Rallye - 340 / A-518 / 3.23 Sure Grip

Charger4404spd

Quote from: Rolling_Thunder on March 02, 2012, 07:25:31 PM
mmmm   Engle Cams...    K56 is a nice docile cam for the street.

If I remember right, Chris (6T9) has that cam.

Rolling_Thunder

Yep - he's running a K56 but not sure on the 112LSA ---     

If you talk to the guys at Engle again ask them if a split duration cam would benefit you. I am not an expert but more exhaust duration is always nice on a blower motor as long as overlap is not increased by much.
1968 Dodge Charger - 6.1L Hemi / 6-speed / 3.55 Sure Grip

2013 Dodge Challenger R/T - 5.7L Hemi / 6-speed / 3.73 Limited Slip

1964 Dodge Polara 500 - 440 / 4-speed / 3.91 Sure Grip

1973 Dodge Challenger Rallye - 340 / A-518 / 3.23 Sure Grip