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How much $$$$ would you place on green, reducing the overall value of a Charger?

Started by XS29L9Bxxxxxx, February 24, 2012, 09:24:08 PM

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resq302

Ok, so lets throw this out there then....... My car is restored nicely as some of you have seen it in person could attest to,but it is paint R4 (bright red) which was an optional factory color back in 1969.  However, when the car was originally built, it was F8 green with a green vinyl roof and a saddle colored interior.  What would you consider would be worth more?  Leaving the color scheme the way it is as your see in the pic or returning it to its original green/green/tan color even though the numbers matching engine and trans are long gone (yet has been replaced with a period correct engine and trans).
Brian
1969 Dodge Charger (factory 4 speed, H code 383 engine,  AACA Senior winner, 2008 Concours d'Elegance participant, 2009 Concours d'Elegance award winner)
1970 Challenger Convert. factory #'s matching red inter. w/ white body.  318 car built 9/28/69 (AACA Senior winner)
1969 Plymough GTX convertible - original sheet metal, #'s matching drivetrain, T3 Honey Bronze, 1 of 701 produced, 1 of 362 with 440 4 bbl - auto

cdr

Quote from: resq302 on February 25, 2012, 12:13:01 PM
Ok, so lets throw this out there then....... My car is restored nicely as some of you have seen it in person could attest to,but it is paint R4 (bright red) which was an optional factory color back in 1969.  However, when the car was originally built, it was F8 green with a green vinyl roof and a saddle colored interior.  What would you consider would be worth more?  Leaving the color scheme the way it is as your see in the pic or returning it to its original green/green/tan color even though the numbers matching engine and trans are long gone (yet has been replaced with a period correct engine and trans).
your car looks very nice ,if it was green I would'ent consider buying it unless the price was 8 to 10 thou less to do a repaint  :Twocents:
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68 Charger 512 cid,9.7to1,Hilborn EFI,Home ported 440 source heads,small hyd roller cam,COLD A/C ,,a518 trans,Dana 60 ,4.10 gear,10.93 et,4100lbs on street tires full exhaust daily driver
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XS29L9Bxxxxxx

Quote from: Old Moparz on February 25, 2012, 10:27:18 AM
Maybe the value of the car isn't the part that decreases, maybe it's just that you eliminate some of the potential buyers with certain colors. There are colors that I despise, but if the car is in perfect condition I wouldn't say it's worth less. I also wouldn't say that a car with a color I really like is worth some kind of premium either. For me, originality isn't the important part of the hobby, it's the condition. I'd have absolutely no problem repainting a rare car the color that "I" prefer.

Now at the risk of contradicting myself, value is still tied to the car in another way. If I were to look at 2 identically optioned Chargers for sale, one a color I like, & one I hate, the nasty colored one would have to be priced cheaper in order to interest me. I wouldn't consider telling the seller they had to reduce the price because I didn't like the color, that's just stupid. It's no different than the moron who looked at a standard shift car I was selling once & telling me he needs an automatic & that the price must be reduced to cover the conversion costs.

I locked the car, told him to go look for an automatic & went back into my house.   ::)

Very good points  :cheers:

XS29L9Bxxxxxx

Quote from: cdr on February 25, 2012, 12:25:19 PM
Quote from: resq302 on February 25, 2012, 12:13:01 PM
Ok, so lets throw this out there then....... My car is restored nicely as some of you have seen it in person could attest to,but it is paint R4 (bright red) which was an optional factory color back in 1969.  However, when the car was originally built, it was F8 green with a green vinyl roof and a saddle colored interior.  What would you consider would be worth more?  Leaving the color scheme the way it is as your see in the pic or returning it to its original green/green/tan color even though the numbers matching engine and trans are long gone (yet has been replaced with a period correct engine and trans).
your car looks very nice ,if it was green I would'ent consider buying it unless the price was 8 to 10 thou less to do a repaint  :Twocents:

Interesting... So green paint REDUCES the value to you, by 8-10k  :scratchchin:

Ghoste

I like green personally and wouldn't find it to devalue the car so in the case of yours Brian, I might find it worth less with the R4.  (might not too though)

cdr

Quote from: XS29L9Bxxxxxx on February 25, 2012, 12:27:08 PM
Quote from: cdr on February 25, 2012, 12:25:19 PM
Quote from: resq302 on February 25, 2012, 12:13:01 PM
Ok, so lets throw this out there then....... My car is restored nicely as some of you have seen it in person could attest to,but it is paint R4 (bright red) which was an optional factory color back in 1969.  However, when the car was originally built, it was F8 green with a green vinyl roof and a saddle colored interior.  What would you consider would be worth more?  Leaving the color scheme the way it is as your see in the pic or returning it to its original green/green/tan color even though the numbers matching engine and trans are long gone (yet has been replaced with a period correct engine and trans).
your car looks very nice ,if it was green I would'ent consider buying it unless the price was 8 to 10 thou less to do a repaint  :Twocents:

Interesting... So green paint REDUCES the value to you, by 8-10k  :scratchchin:
to do a paint job the correct way ,take car apart, strip, prime,block sand,paint,put car back together,just paint for mY car is 1000.00
LINK TO MY STORY http://www.onallcylinders.com/2015/11/16/ride-shares-charlie-keel-battles-cancer-ms-to-build-brilliant-1968-dodge-charger/  
                                                                                           
68 Charger 512 cid,9.7to1,Hilborn EFI,Home ported 440 source heads,small hyd roller cam,COLD A/C ,,a518 trans,Dana 60 ,4.10 gear,10.93 et,4100lbs on street tires full exhaust daily driver
Charger55 by Charlie Keel, on Flickr

cdr

LINK TO MY STORY http://www.onallcylinders.com/2015/11/16/ride-shares-charlie-keel-battles-cancer-ms-to-build-brilliant-1968-dodge-charger/  
                                                                                           
68 Charger 512 cid,9.7to1,Hilborn EFI,Home ported 440 source heads,small hyd roller cam,COLD A/C ,,a518 trans,Dana 60 ,4.10 gear,10.93 et,4100lbs on street tires full exhaust daily driver
Charger55 by Charlie Keel, on Flickr


bakerhillpins

Quote from: resq302 on February 25, 2012, 12:13:01 PM
Ok, so lets throw this out there then....... My car is restored nicely as some of you have seen it in person could attest to,but it is paint R4 (bright red) which was an optional factory color back in 1969.  However, when the car was originally built, it was F8 green with a green vinyl roof and a saddle colored interior.  What would you consider would be worth more?  Leaving the color scheme the way it is as your see in the pic or returning it to its original green/green/tan color even though the numbers matching engine and trans are long gone (yet has been replaced with a period correct engine and trans).

In my particular case it would be worth less since I wanted a car that I could return to it's fender tag and that particular color combination is way down on my shell out the $$ to get that list. Doesn't mean that you don't have a beautiful Charger, but rather I am just not part of the ones that want to buy it from you.

There is a recent thread in the Aero section that is trying to figure out why a particular Daytona hasn't sold yet. Lots of different opinions but one that pertains to this discussion is how color is effecting its sale. In this case it's a R4 with Black top/interior car. (  :scratchchin:  ;) ) Some were suggesting that since it's the most common color combination on the Aero cars that it's more plain and isn't able to pull in as many buyers. Suggesting that those that are in the buying pool at the upper end of the $$ spectrum are more concerned about rare rather than color.

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Quote from: bakerhillpins on February 25, 2012, 01:59:35 PM
There is a recent thread in the Aero section that is trying to figure out why a particular Daytona hasn't sold yet. Lots of different opinions but one that pertains to this discussion is how color is effecting its sale. In this case it's a R4 with Black top/interior car. (  :scratchchin:  ;) ) Some were suggesting that since it's the most common color combination on the Aero cars that it's more plain and isn't able to pull in as many buyers. Suggesting that those that are in the buying pool at the upper end of the $$ spectrum are more concerned about rare rather than color.

What is cool to one is blah to another, what is an investment to one is a toy to another. It's what makes life interesting.  :2thumbs:

Interesting point... If I were buying a Daytona, it would have to be unique. Bronze or Copper Met., come to mind  :Twocents:

resq302

Hell, if I was buying a daytona, I wouldn't care WHAT color it was as long as I would be able to finally own a daytona!  But back to speaking of chargers, from what I remember on Chris' registry, the F8 color seemed to be the most common color.  Personally, when I was looking for a 69 charger, I could care less what color it was.  This one just happened to be repainted R4 and a fantastic job was done on the body.  Knowing how much body work costs and trying to find a good body shop is like hitting the lottery, I figured I couldn't go wrong with the car I got, be it factory applied color or not.
Brian
1969 Dodge Charger (factory 4 speed, H code 383 engine,  AACA Senior winner, 2008 Concours d'Elegance participant, 2009 Concours d'Elegance award winner)
1970 Challenger Convert. factory #'s matching red inter. w/ white body.  318 car built 9/28/69 (AACA Senior winner)
1969 Plymough GTX convertible - original sheet metal, #'s matching drivetrain, T3 Honey Bronze, 1 of 701 produced, 1 of 362 with 440 4 bbl - auto

six-tee-nine

I will never ever  buy a green car unless it needs full restoration and a respray.....



Of course people will offer more $ for a 3X black then a 3X green car since green is al less wanted color, but to the right person it can be worth just the same.
So in generel........yeah the green car will be woth less.
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bsakal

I debate this in my head all the time. My car is originally F3 with a green top, and black interior. When I bought it I didn't care what color it was, just that it was a complete car. One day I want to change it to either F8 or T7, then the next day I want to leave it F3. I love the greens, but I have never seen another F3 Charger in person, so part of me wants to keep it F3 because it will be different. But I also worry changing the color might hurt the value.
69 Charger SE - 66 Chrysler Newport 383

Fred

Quote from: ACUDANUT on February 25, 2012, 10:49:08 AM
Green cars are only worth half the price of ...say "red".  :Twocents:  Green only belongs on : Tanks, Jeeps and tractors.  :nana:

Not sure about that. My 70 Cuda looked fabulous in green. In my opinion that car was made to be green, to me that's definitely the colour it looks best in.  :Twocents:


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Alaskan_TA


Check the definition of restored, (to return to as original is the cliff notes version) so if it is a different color now it has been customized, not restored.

For the record, I enjoy the custom cars as well as the restored cars, but I love green. Green with a tan gut is just awesome.  :yesnod:

At the same time, if I bought a car with a color change & it looked great, I would not repaint it until after an accident or other damage.

bullit68

my 70 sixpack(bought off this site)was originaly f8,green int,green vinyl top and green longitudinal side stripe.quadruple green!i got it with a black top and int and no stripe.hemi orange is my favourite 70 charger colour and i contemplated changing it to that but i'm going to stay green with green stripe.i think that would look cool.

bill440rt

Again, for me personally I think it really just depends on the car. I've seen some pretty nice green stock Chargers out there.  :yesnod:

A close friend of mine was on the hunt for a '69 Charger R/T, with one stipulation: it HAD to be green! That's what he wanted.
He searched for about a year. He finally found the car of his dreams: a '69 500, 440-4spd. In GREEN.

As for brown, there was a brown 440-6pack '70 'Cuda at Carlisle last year that made me have to mop up my drool off the ground. It was was just stunning in that color. You don't see too many of them, most are now painted red, yellow, purple, or some other hi-impact color.

What's desirable for one may not be for the other. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. 
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69 OUR/TEA

Quote from: resq302 on February 25, 2012, 12:13:01 PM
Ok, so lets throw this out there then....... My car is restored nicely as some of you have seen it in person could attest to,but it is paint R4 (bright red) which was an optional factory color back in 1969.  However, when the car was originally built, it was F8 green with a green vinyl roof and a saddle colored interior.  What would you consider would be worth more?  Leaving the color scheme the way it is as your see in the pic or returning it to its original green/green/tan color even though the numbers matching engine and trans are long gone (yet has been replaced with a period correct engine and trans).

I never did the fender tag police on your car,thats what it was ??????     :paintingpink:     

resq302

Quote from: 69 OUR/TEA on February 25, 2012, 11:04:07 PM
Quote from: resq302 on February 25, 2012, 12:13:01 PM
Ok, so lets throw this out there then....... My car is restored nicely as some of you have seen it in person could attest to,but it is paint R4 (bright red) which was an optional factory color back in 1969.  However, when the car was originally built, it was F8 green with a green vinyl roof and a saddle colored interior.  What would you consider would be worth more?  Leaving the color scheme the way it is as your see in the pic or returning it to its original green/green/tan color even though the numbers matching engine and trans are long gone (yet has been replaced with a period correct engine and trans).

I never did the fender tag police on your car,thats what it was ??????     :paintingpink:     

Yup, thats what my car was "born" with.  However, when I got the car in July of 2000, the car was already done up nicely with the color scheme and didn't need any work done to the body.  Why mess with a good thing?
Brian
1969 Dodge Charger (factory 4 speed, H code 383 engine,  AACA Senior winner, 2008 Concours d'Elegance participant, 2009 Concours d'Elegance award winner)
1970 Challenger Convert. factory #'s matching red inter. w/ white body.  318 car built 9/28/69 (AACA Senior winner)
1969 Plymough GTX convertible - original sheet metal, #'s matching drivetrain, T3 Honey Bronze, 1 of 701 produced, 1 of 362 with 440 4 bbl - auto

roger440

Interesting debate. I had to agonise over this with mine. Originally it was T7, probably the nastiest color ever devised.

2 things made me go with T5 (and the original white roof and saddle interior)

T5 was the closest i could get to the original "theme" of the car that i thought looked nice.

2nd was my thinking, that if you had $$$$ in your pocket looking for a nice charger, would you buy one thats T7 poop brown, or one in a more attractive color.? Yes, its not original now, but i suspect its value is no lower than if i did it T7. Of course being in the UK, originality is arguably less important anyway.
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nvrbdn

i would think if your making a pristine, back to factory specs,trailer queen restoration with everything perfect,stay with the factory colors.if your building a car you will enjoy,and the average guy would be interested in buying if you choose to sell,do your thing with your colors.i dont mind mopars dark green color of the 60's and early 70's. had a 69 roadrunner in dark green with green interior in 77. loved that car.
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Laxy

I love dark green on 68/69 Chargers! It's the next best thing to black! 70 Chargers I would prefer the Hi Impact colors though.

It was actually a bonus to me to find my 68 with green interior and exterior. Every other farking car I looked at was either brown or tan which just weren't doing it for me. 68's look best in a darker color.

If someone tried to offer me less because it's green I would punch them in the face for their sheer stupidity. There is a dark green factory Hemi 68 Charger with the correct wheels and dog dish hubcaps over here that is probably one of the best looking 68s of any color I have ever seen.  :icon_smile_big:

This thread is retarded.  :smilielol:
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XS29L9Bxxxxxx

Quote from: roger440 on February 26, 2012, 08:30:54 AM
Interesting debate. I had to agonise over this with mine. Originally it was T7, probably the nastiest color ever devised.

2 things made me go with T5 (and the original white roof and saddle interior)

T5 was the closest i could get to the original "theme" of the car that i thought looked nice.

2nd was my thinking, that if you had $$$$ in your pocket looking for a nice charger, would you buy one thats T7 poop brown, or one in a more attractive color.? Yes, its not original now, but i suspect its value is no lower than if i did it T7. Of course being in the UK, originality is arguably less important anyway.

I love both T7 and T5, but hat F colors and most B colors. Esp. when the interior matches. But hey, that's me...  :Twocents: