C500 project on CL

[charger_fan_4ever]

I spoke with the owner a couple times as I've always wanted a C500. I decided to finish my 70 R/T and either sell it and buy a done C500, or pay more $$ for a solid project with paperwork.

Quick rundown of what I was told. No fender tag or b/s. R4 red with black interior, buckets w/ console. Comes with a 69 engine date correct, but not the #'s motor. Thinking of it now without a tag or b/s how could you know the build date ? The rear window and trim are gone. One quarter has been cut off along with the tail panel.

Seller said the frame rails,floors are solid. I received some other pics, but you can't tell much the parts are piled to the roof inside. Under the hood has been painted black. I asked the condition of the rear plug, but seller was not sure.

Thought I'd pass on the info if anyone here might be interested.

1969 Dodge Charger 500 - $17500 (Manchester, Ct)

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Date: 2012-02-08, 1:30PM EST
Reply to: fhxcc-2841202597@sale.craigslist.org [Errors when replying to ads?]
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------


This car needs total restoration.it is a 440 auto car has been sitting since 1974. car is very rare. is not yet on the registry. car is inside the back of my shop not easy to get to. if interested . veiw by appointment. call 860-798-4030 Shaun.




http://hartford.craigslist.org/cto/2841202597.html

[hemi68charger]

Wow.. not that bad considering.... Maybe he'll come down in price... But man, if all that stuff is missing and it's been in storage since '74, it had a rough early life.... Thanks for the post... 

[charger_fan_4ever]

Wow.. not that bad considering.... Maybe he'll come down in price... But man, if all that stuff is missing and it's been in storage since '74, it had a rough early life.... Thanks for the post...  

I was thinking 15k but the 1/4 shot scared me. Looks like its been ripped off with an air chissel and took 1/2 the inner with it. The tail panel is gone too. Didn't see a shot of the backend, but it looks cut pretty high. I fear for the plug. Not sure if it was hit in the back corner or what.

Didn't that F8 C500 on here sell for around 20K and it was complete w/tag and a real solid body ? Price is not bad, but think I'd prefer shelling out extra $$ for a more complete car with paperwork.

[hemi68charger]

Wow.. not that bad considering.... Maybe he'll come down in price... But man, if all that stuff is missing and it's been in storage since '74, it had a rough early life.... Thanks for the post...  

I was thinking 15k but the 1/4 shot scared me. Looks like its been ripped off with an air chissel and took 1/2 the inner with it. The tail panel is gone too. Didn't see a shot of the backend, but it looks cut pretty high. I fear for the plug.

Didn't that F8 C500 on here sell for around 20K and i was complete w/tag and a real solid body ? Price is not bad, but think I'd prefer shelling out more for a car with paperwork.

Ohhhhhhh.. I guess I didn't notice the carnage... 

[Dave Kanofsky]

He certainly didn't put too much effort into trying to sell it.

[charger_fan_4ever]

Wow.. not that bad considering.... Maybe he'll come down in price... But man, if all that stuff is missing and it's been in storage since '74, it had a rough early life.... Thanks for the post...  

I was thinking 15k but the 1/4 shot scared me. Looks like its been ripped off with an air chissel and took 1/2 the inner with it. The tail panel is gone too. Didn't see a shot of the backend, but it looks cut pretty high. I fear for the plug.

Didn't that F8 C500 on here sell for around 20K and i was complete w/tag and a real solid body ? Price is not bad, but think I'd prefer shelling out more for a car with paperwork.

Ohhhhhhh.. I guess I didn't notice the carnage... 

Not shown in the ad that was in another pic I received its the passengers side 1/4 that is cut.

[Ghoste]

Ohhhhhhh.. I guess I didn't notice the carnage... 

Carnage is a good choice of wording.

[Daytona R/T SE]

Moparstuart's C500 project is 10X the car for similar money... 

[charger_fan_4ever]

Moparstuart's C500 project is 10X the car for similar money...  

Yup thats what I thought. At first i thought it was a spoof and someone had pics of Moparstuarts car as they are both grey primer and Moparstuarts is R4 red too I believe.

I saw this one all #'s match and a California car with paperwork back to the original owner for 55k. Looks immaculate.

http://lasvegas.craigslist.org/cto/2821220812.html

[Daytona R/T SE]

Moparstuart's C500 project is 10X the car for similar money...  

Yup thats what I thought. At first i thought it was a spoof and someone had pics of Moparstuarts car as they are both grey primer and Moparstuarts is R4 red too I believe.

I saw this one all #'s match and a California car with paperwork back to the original owner for 55k. Looks immaculate.

http://lasvegas.craigslist.org/cto/2821220812.html

Yep, If I didn't already have more projects than I'll ever finish, Stuart's car would have been mine a long time ago...


Hmmmm....

Me with a REAL areo car...

What a concept!

[tan top]

I spoke with the owner a couple times as I've always wanted a C500. I decided to finish my 70 R/T and either sell it and buy a done C500, or pay more $$ for a solid project with paperwork.

Quick rundown of what I was told. No fender tag or b/s. R4 red with black interior, buckets w/ console. Comes with a 69 engine date correct, but not the #'s motor. Thinking of it now without a tag or b/s how could you know the build date ? The rear window and trim are gone. One quarter has been cut off along with the tail panel.

Seller said the frame rails,floors are solid. I received some other pics, but you can't tell much the parts are piled to the roof inside. Under the hood has been painted black. I asked the condition of the rear plug, but seller was not sure.

Thought I'd pass on the info if anyone here might be interested.

1969 Dodge Charger 500 - $17500 (Manchester, Ct)

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Date: 2012-02-08, 1:30PM EST
Reply to: fhxcc-2841202597@sale.craigslist.org [Errors when replying to ads?]
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------


This car needs total restoration.it is a 440 auto car has been sitting since 1974. car is very rare. is not yet on the registry. car is inside the back of my shop not easy to get to. if interested . veiw by appointment. call 860-798-4030 Shaun.




http://hartford.craigslist.org/cto/2841202597.html

good find !!   hmm

heres the pictures

[XS29LA47V21]

Moparstuart's C500 project is 10X the car for similar money...  

ditto, Stu's is a fair price IMO      yes my X green was a nice body & ......

I flirted with that NV/CA green car hard in my head a couple yrs ago (then at 65k as I recall), looked nice in photos to me, if a person does not need that fully restored thing that it not a bad buy either IOM.

[CornDogsCharger]

Id love to find something like this but that price is a little too steep for this car. I'll keep searching for a real deal project 500 for the right price.

Justin
"CornDog"

[charger_fan_4ever]

I'm not all into the 100 % factory resto's with pencil markings just not my thing, but for all the blood sweat and tears to bring it back to life I'd like atleast a fendertag.

I also noticed the car in the add has no chrysler logo on the VIN. Maybe had a fresh coat of paint ?

[richRTSE]

I saw this one all #'s match and a California car with paperwork back to the original owner for 55k. Looks immaculate.

http://lasvegas.craigslist.org/cto/2821220812.html

Is that the same one that went to Ray Evernham, along with John's F6 Daytona?

[65post]

I wonder if that 500 took a hit to the back corner.....I wonder why there are no pics of the plug-trunk lid-trunk floor ect.........

[BigBlockSam]

I'd like at least a fender tag

me too

[DC_1]

So the story is that it has been sitting since 74? I don't know what kind of condition it was in or the circumstances surrounding why it was parked but it sure looks like it has been picked apart over the years. Pictures are vague but I see $12k car..... and only think that high because it is a C500.

[charger_fan_4ever]

I saw this one all #'s match and a California car with paperwork back to the original owner for 55k. Looks immaculate.

http://lasvegas.craigslist.org/cto/2821220812.html

Is that the same one that went to Ray Evernham, along with John's F6 Daytona?

Don't think so. Pics of the car he bought had a mecum plate

http://mecum.com/auctions/lot_detail.cfm?CFGRIDKEY=FL0112-121676

sold for 65k

[hemi68charger]

I saw this one all #'s match and a California car with paperwork back to the original owner for 55k. Looks immaculate.

http://lasvegas.craigslist.org/cto/2821220812.html

Is that the same one that went to Ray Evernham, along with John's F6 Daytona?

Nope... The car in California/Vegas is an A/C car.... The F8 Mr. Evernham bought is a basic 440 auto 3.23 car with 22" rad........

[RallyeMike]

Well, Stu's car has been listed for a long time at his price. So it's clearly a little over priced for the current market, otherwise it would be sold. This car at $4k +/- less than Stu's with a missing quarter and tail panel is about equivalent at that price, and is also over-priced IMO. I think lack of fender tags and build sheets makes it hard to get top dollar for these high-profile cars right now. Hang on a little longer for a recovery, and then they will sell.

Then again, I have pretty high expectations on getting a 500 deal 


Funny that the ad says it's "not in a registry". Well thanks for posting the VIN because I have another one in mine now! Woo-hoo! 

[CornDogsCharger]

Funny that the ad says it's "not in a registry". Well thanks for posting the VIN because I have another one in mine now! Woo-hoo! 

Haha, I missed that part.

[Ghoste]

I caught it... and did the old right click save as well.

[charger_fan_4ever]

And Danny already had it registered in his list as i had asked him about the car when I was considering buying it. He also said he had it as R4,black bucket interior and power disk brakes.

I was talking it over with my brother (65Post) and we both agreed a selling price would be 10k to actually move it fairly quick. If not its a 12-13k car like already mentioned. Even then still have not seen that back end or underneath.

The F8 of XS29 would have been the 500 project to buy. Timing just wasn't there for me.

Moparstuarts car is a good solid project, but like I said i'd like a tag as these high profile cars will always have a grey cloud over them without the goodies.

[Ghoste]

Maybe he just means the Guru Registry?

[charger_fan_4ever]

Maybe he just means the Guru Registry?

Are you picking on the Ty D bol man again 

[Ghoste]

Hey I'm a lot easier on him than a lot of others.  That pirhanna feeding frenzy on Moparts was brutal.

[Old Moparz]

I spoke with the owner a couple times as I've always wanted a C500. I decided to finish my 70 R/T and either sell it and buy a done C500, or pay more $$ for a solid project with paperwork.

Quick rundown of what I was told. No fender tag or b/s. R4 red with black interior, buckets w/ console. Comes with a 69 engine date correct, but not the #'s motor. Thinking of it now without a tag or b/s how could you know the build date ? The rear window and trim are gone. One quarter has been cut off along with the tail panel.

Seller said the frame rails,floors are solid. I received some other pics, but you can't tell much the parts are piled to the roof inside. Under the hood has been painted black. I asked the condition of the rear plug, but seller was not sure.

Thought I'd pass on the info if anyone here might be interested.

1969 Dodge Charger 500 - $17500 (Manchester, Ct)

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Date: 2012-02-08, 1:30PM EST
Reply to: fhxcc-2841202597@sale.craigslist.org [Errors when replying to ads?]
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

This car needs total restoration.it is a 440 auto car has been sitting since 1974. car is very rare. is not yet on the registry. car is inside the back of my shop not easy to get to. if interested . veiw by appointment. call 860-798-4030 Shaun.


http://hartford.craigslist.org/cto/2841202597.html

I'm 99.99% sure that this is the exact same Charger 500 I have seen in person about 5 to 7 years ago. I don't recognize the name & phone number in the craigslist ad, but there is a guy in the Hartford, CT area that I bought my '71 Barracuda from named Bryon Cwikla. He buys, sells & restores parts, & also runs a restoration shop called Restoration Suppliers of CT. He had access to a junkyard that was closed in the late 1970's that had a bunch of classics that were all still inside. Several Chargers were there, including the 500 we are discussing.

It has to be the same car because of the quarter that was cut off it. When I was there talking to him, we guessed that the quarter was simply hacked off back in the 70's & used for another Charger at one time. It didn't appear to have been hit, just scavenged of it's parts. Almost all of the car was stripped to a rolling shell, but the rear plug was still there & not cut into or rusted out. The rear glass was not in it, it was probably broken when the quarter was removed.

[charger_fan_4ever]

I spoke with the owner a couple times as I've always wanted a C500. I decided to finish my 70 R/T and either sell it and buy a done C500, or pay more $$ for a solid project with paperwork.

Quick rundown of what I was told. No fender tag or b/s. R4 red with black interior, buckets w/ console. Comes with a 69 engine date correct, but not the #'s motor. Thinking of it now without a tag or b/s how could you know the build date ? The rear window and trim are gone. One quarter has been cut off along with the tail panel.

Seller said the frame rails,floors are solid. I received some other pics, but you can't tell much the parts are piled to the roof inside. Under the hood has been painted black. I asked the condition of the rear plug, but seller was not sure.

Thought I'd pass on the info if anyone here might be interested.

1969 Dodge Charger 500 - $17500 (Manchester, Ct)

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Date: 2012-02-08, 1:30PM EST
Reply to: fhxcc-2841202597@sale.craigslist.org [Errors when replying to ads?]
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

This car needs total restoration.it is a 440 auto car has been sitting since 1974. car is very rare. is not yet on the registry. car is inside the back of my shop not easy to get to. if interested . veiw by appointment. call 860-798-4030 Shaun.


http://hartford.craigslist.org/cto/2841202597.html

I'm 99.99% sure that this is the exact same Charger 500 I have seen in person about 5 to 7 years ago. I don't recognize the name & phone number in the craigslist ad, but there is a guy in the Hartford, CT area that I bought my '71 Barracuda from named Bryon Cwikla. He buys, sells & restores parts, & also runs a restoration shop called Restoration Suppliers of CT. He had access to a junkyard that was closed in the late 1970's that had a bunch of classics that were all still inside. Several Chargers were there, including the 500 we are discussing.

It has to be the same car because of the quarter that was cut off it. When I was there talking to him, we guessed that the quarter was simply hacked off back in the 70's & used for another Charger at one time. It didn't appear to have been hit, just scavenged of it's parts. Almost all of the car was stripped to a rolling shell, but the rear plug was still there & not cut into or rusted out. The rear glass was not in it, it was probably broken when the quarter was removed.

Must have changed hands the seller wasn't Bryan. Makes sense now as all the bolt on parts were a different color.Do you remember what the underside was like ? If it sat outside in the junkyard all those years :$ Someone probably hawked the fender tag for a souvenir back in the day. Sure looks like a car that was parted out.

[Old Moparz]

Must have changed hands the seller wasn't Bryan. Makes sense now as all the bolt on parts were a different color.Do you remember what the underside was like ? If it sat outside in the junkyard all those years :$ Someone probably hawked the fender tag for a souvenir back in the day. Sure looks like a car that was parted out.

Bryon had a couple of guys working at his shop, & the shop was PACKED with parts & cars that were buried. If this Charger 500 is the same car, it wouldn't surprise me if it's still in the same shop. I looked up Bryon's address & it's also in Manchester, CT, the same town as the Craigslist ad.

I never crawled under the car, I was there to finish the deal with the Barracuda. I did notice that it was filled with dried leaves, so he must have literally just dragged it into the shop that day right from the junk yard. I vaguely recall thinking that it was in pretty solid shape for something that was in a yard all those years, but I didn't really spend any time looking it over closely.

Bryon had told me that he was considering keeping it, but he did say he was open to letting it go at the time. I had given Bryon's contact info to another member on here, PocketThunder, but I don't know if her ever got in touch to get more details & photos. If you look up PocketThunder & PM him, maybe he can answer a few questions.

The fender & VIN tags? I don't remember anything about the fender tag existence, but as far as the VIN tag goes, I'd say it was probably always there. Bryon mentioned that he first thought about turning it into a Daytona since the plug was still there & had no interest in it as a 500. Once he researched it a bit & discovered that there weren't many built, he decided against the conversion.

I don't know Bryon on a close, personal level, but he seems honest to me. Everything he told me in emails about the Barracuda turned out to be 100% accurate when I went to see it. I've also bought & traded parts with him several times & would trust what he says. I doubt he, or anyone else working with him, would have switched VIN tags, but like I said, it's just my opinion.

[richRTSE]

Awhile back I tried to put together my own list of known 500 vins and had this one in my list, not sure where I found it though... but I just found this in a google search of the vin...posted by member WINGNUT on moparts in 2004...

Looking for Broadcast sheet from a 69 Charger 500 XX29L9B164196, Red, black interior, Auto. Also looking for original 440 engine. Contact Pete at petev8@webtv.net or call Brian at 860-646-8335
days. Thanks!

[Old Moparz]

Awhile back I tried to put together my own list of known 500 vins and had this one in my list, not sure where I found it though... but I just found this in a google search of the vin...posted by member WINGNUT on moparts in 2004...

Looking for Broadcast sheet from a 69 Charger 500 XX29L9B164196, Red, black interior, Auto. Also looking for original 440 engine. Contact Pete at petev8@webtv.net or call Brian at 860-646-8335
days. Thanks!

That's the same phone number I have for Bryon.

Bryon Cwikla
Restoration Suppliers of CT.
860-646-8335

And I know Pete Veight, he lives in CT., too.

[69_500]

Just to clarify though I had the car listed as being R6 red though.

[charger_fan_4ever]

Sellers name is Shawn and said its at the back of a shop and he did bodywork. Must be maybe one of the guys at the shop.

It may make someone a nice 500 someday. Hopefully it gets saved, just won't be by me.

[richRTSE]

any more picts of this car other than the craigslist ad??   

[RallyeMike]

 

It has to be the same car because of the quarter that was cut off it. When I was there talking to him, we guessed that the quarter was simply hacked off back in the 70's & used for another Charger at one time. It didn't appear to have been hit, just scavenged of it's parts.

That's a real look back into time as to how a lot of sacred cars were treated back in the day. It really makes you wonder how many 500's, being not as well recognized, were scrapped for parts. Interesting story.

[charger_fan_4ever]

Almost 700 views anyone going to CT this weekend 

[held1823]

That's a real look back into time as to how a lot of sacred cars were treated back in the day...

indeed. today's sacred car was yesterday's grocery getter.

ever seen studded snow tires on a daily driver daytona? maybe i can find an old photo.

[F6Bee]

I really think asking 17-20k for a 500 that is missing the fender tag and doesn't have a broadcast sheet is wishful thinking right now.

It wouldn't matter so much in a 318 Charger driver, but when you start to get into some serious money with the R/T's, 500's, 6 packs, hemi's and wing cars, it is a lot more important for the i's to be dotted, and the t's to be crossed.

Putting 50k plus total with resto to a car that might never have proper documentation to back up how it really came from the factory just doesn't seem like a wise decision.  Trust me, I have spent money in a lot of wrong places over the years in this hobby, nothing wrong with that, but that is how I see it.

Rick.

[charger_fan_4ever]

I really think asking 17-20k for a 500 that is missing the fender tag and doesn't have a broadcast sheet is wishful thinking right now.

It wouldn't matter so much in a 318 Charger driver, but when you start to get into some serious money with the R/T's, 500's, 6 packs, hemi's and wing cars, it is a lot more important for the i's to be dotted, and the t's to be crossed.

Putting 50k plus total with resto to a car that might never have proper documentation to back up how it really came from the factory just doesn't seem like a wise decision.  Trust me, I have spent money in a lot of wrong places over the years in this hobby, nothing wrong with that, but that is how I see it.

Rick.

I agree and as much as we love these old cars they are still an investment as they cost so much to restore. When your car is done you want to make sure you don't have $60k in a $30k car.

What do you guys think a restored C500 with no tag or sheet would be worth ? I'm thinking not a whole lot more than an R/T with a tag. That being said $45k to the right buyer ?

We can always say we will never sell once completed, but more often than not you find youself in a situation where you have to sell.

[charge-it]

I spoke with the owner a couple times as I've always wanted a C500. I decided to finish my 70 R/T and either sell it and buy a done C500, or pay more $$ for a solid project with paperwork.

Quick rundown of what I was told. No fender tag or b/s. R4 red with black interior, buckets w/ console. Comes with a 69 engine date correct, but not the #'s motor. Thinking of it now without a tag or b/s how could you know the build date ? The rear window and trim are gone. One quarter has been cut off along with the tail panel.

Seller said the frame rails,floors are solid. I received some other pics, but you can't tell much the parts are piled to the roof inside. Under the hood has been painted black. I asked the condition of the rear plug, but seller was not sure.

Thought I'd pass on the info if anyone here might be interested.

1969 Dodge Charger 500 - $17500 (Manchester, Ct)

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Date: 2012-02-08, 1:30PM EST
Reply to: fhxcc-2841202597@sale.craigslist.org [Errors when replying to ads?]
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

This car needs total restoration.it is a 440 auto car has been sitting since 1974. car is very rare. is not yet on the registry. car is inside the back of my shop not easy to get to. if interested . veiw by appointment. call 860-798-4030 Shaun.


http://hartford.craigslist.org/cto/2841202597.html

I'm 99.99% sure that this is the exact same Charger 500 I have seen in person about 5 to 7 years ago. I don't recognize the name & phone number in the craigslist ad, but there is a guy in the Hartford, CT area that I bought my '71 Barracuda from named Bryon Cwikla. He buys, sells & restores parts, & also runs a restoration shop called Restoration Suppliers of CT. He had access to a junkyard that was closed in the late 1970's that had a bunch of classics that were all still inside. Several Chargers were there, including the 500 we are discussing.

It has to be the same car because of the quarter that was cut off it. When I was there talking to him, we guessed that the quarter was simply hacked off back in the 70's & used for another Charger at one time. It didn't appear to have been hit, just scavenged of it's parts. Almost all of the car was stripped to a rolling shell, but the rear plug was still there & not cut into or rusted out. The rear glass was not in it, it was probably broken when the quarter was removed.

Yes, it is Bryons car...

[charger_fan_4ever]

So did anyone make a road trip to CT