AMD Charger inventory

[Cooperman]

I was just looking at the AMD catalog online and I'm amazed at just how many parts they have produced so far.

https://www.autometaldirect.com/images/catalogs/AMD_Mopar_Catalog_2010.pdf

How long in your opinion will it be before they can offer full body shells Dynacorn style?
Or do you think there are so many Charger 'cores' left that it isn't necessary?

Anyone with a spare couple of hours want to add up the total purchase price of all the AMD Charger stuff available?
I wonder what a complete Charger unibody with all panels and closures would run - parts, labour and all?

[Troy]

Before getting too terribly excited - realize that it doesn't necessarily exist just because they have it in their catalog. They've been known to put stuff in there a loooong time before releasing it.

Much like Dynacorn, I'm sure buying all the pieces would be rather expensive.

Troy

[XS29L]

Check out the  what if   thread .

[aussiemuscle]

How long in your opinion will it be before they can offer full body shells Dynacorn style?

i'm sure many rebuilders here would like to just buy a complete car that's basketcase of rust, and just replace it's body.


also a good use for all those tags you've saved over the years. 

[charger_fan_4ever]

Imagine if the shell is produced $15-17k there isn't a nut and bolt on it. By the time you get all the parts required who knows how much $$$. In the end your left with IMO a kit car that is worth pennies on the dollar.

Say $15k for the shell
-complete drive train $$
-Complete interior seat frames,dash frames ect ect
-suspension/brakes
-chrome $
-wiring

The list is virtually endless if it was all availble "new"

I bet by the time assembled it would make the price of  a true hemi car "cheap"

The only use that I could see for a complete car would be for drag racing (why would you its too heavy) or a pro touring build where everything is made of aftermarket parts.(interior ect)

[E5 Charger]

That brings up a good question. I know you can't do it right now with a Charger, but you can with the Dynacorn Challenger body. Has anyone, or know anyone that has built or priced out a completely new car. No old parts, but everything from a catalog. I'm curious how it would compare to a new RT Challenger.

[F8-4life]

I doubt people will ever try to build a 2nd gen charger completly form a catalog, unless its 60 years from now. If they start making new bodys the obvious answer is buy a rustbucket parts car and new shell and mate them together.

[Mike DC]

 
The Charger unibodies will happen eventually. 


IMHO these bodies are like most other restoration parts - they aren't going to cheapen the hobby as we know it today, but they will act as a limit on how much more expensive it can eventually get. 

[nvrbdn]

these guys buying these newly made mustang  and camaro shells. are they swapping the rust bucket parts and i.d.'s and calling them old cars? if you have a rusted pos and they make a new charger shell and you swap everything over making your old car new, whats the difference between that and taking your R/T stuff and swapping it to a slant six charger with a primo shell and frames? i seen on my classic car that they were showing the camaro shell and the guy says something about how nice it is to have this rather than trying to remove all the rust from the one you have.

[HemiTom]

I thought it was illegal to rebody a car?? so how asr the Dycorn bodies titled??

[charger_fan_4ever]

I know up here in Canada more specifially quebec Dynacorn Mustangs/camaros there is No VIN the province gives you a provincial Id# that goes on the car like with a kit car once it passes the mechanical inspection.

[UH60L]

I don't remember if it was the mustnag or the camaro, but I thought I read either online or in one of the popular car mags that the manufacturer, ford or chevy,  would issue you a new vin, based on the last vin issued for the year of car you bought a body for from dynacorn.  IE, you would be building a NEW old car with an old vin number from that model year.

Thus not rebodying an old car, but building a complete car from scratch with new parts and a new old vin.

Anyone know if this is true or false and if true, which it was, ford or chevy?

[Ghoste]

That's the first I've heard of that.  Is something like that even legal for an oem to do?  Issuing vins for cars they no longer build and aren't today either?

[young99]

I watch a little bit of a show called "Rides" on Velocity channel last week. I did not see the entire show but they were building a or the Eleanor gt500 from gone in 60 seconds. I could have swore I heard them say that Ford allowed them to re-vin the car as a Shelby.

not exactly the same situation but its close.

[nvrbdn]

on my classic car they had the guy right there saying that you could buy this shell and hang all your parts you already own since you have a rusted out car. its easier than dealing with the rusted shell you have. as far as buying a shell without owning a car, they said in the past that they were allowing them to be titled as if you bought it in 68 or whatever year the shell was.  that doesnt make sense to me, but they did say it on tv. isnt everything on tv right?

[Ghoste]

Provided you use the numbers off your rusty shell?  (thats the part they likely won't say out loud)

[33yeartoy]

     i thought i read it was a chevy camaro when first came out . car comes with title un like a real camaro did so you know its a kit car.

[Ghoste]

So it's more like a state issued vin such as they do for a hot rod or any other kit car.

[33yeartoy]

  to make  body or motorcycle to be licensed  ,  builder needs permit which matches  product vin # and is given out to recieve title.

[Troy]

I'm reasonably certain you cannot create a new VIN for a past model year (even if you're Ford or GM). I believe most of these shells are considered "replacement parts" so you use the VIN from your rusty pile (or envelope) to get it registered. Boyd Coddington and those guys (in AZ?) making Eleanor clones got busted for "washing" titles (salvage cars that they resurrected and titled without the salvage designation). I think Coddington also got busted for not having any original components left. Basically they built an entire car from new metal and dug out a VIN from some old car just so they didn't have to register it as a kit - or worse - new. In most places you can get a state issued VIN if your original is lost. Otherwise, most states have provisions for kit cars and they will either use the VIN from the largest component (engine?) or issue a new one.

The Shelby's are somewhat unique. At one time Shelby claimed to have a bunch of unfinished Cobras that he planned to assemble and could legally be registered as originals (from the 60s). I don't know if this ever happened - but if it did, they would certainly be "known" as such. In other cases he makes "continuation" cars which are new but have VINs in a special sequence from the originals. I believe Shelby Mustangs had Ford VIN numbers and Shelby wouldn't be allowed to change those. I think they also had Shelby serial numbers (like SRT cars) so it's possible that customizing a Mustang to Shelby specs could qualify for a one of those (although without the originality aspect and it would always be tagged as a modified car).

Troy

[Mike DC]

          
Carroll Shelby claimed to have "found" some frames but they were later revealed to be fabrications.  Later he backpedaled and claimed it was a miscommunication.  

Why the guy still has any credibility or respect these days is beyond me.




Weren't those Eleanor cars done before the repro Mustang unibodies were available?

I never understood what the big deal was over that salvage title fiasco in the first place.  When a car gets that completely redone, the car's previous life is nothing but paperwork anyway.  And they were building too many cars for them to be picked from factory-valuable VIN cars; surely they weren't telling people those cars were coming from the original batch of 1960s factory Shelby Mustangs, right?  So then what's the big deal if the car has a salvage title? 

I guess I'm just not the collector-car type.  I care more about the current condition than what the paperwork says about the VIN on principle.

[33yeartoy]

  i called dynacorn. they give out serial tag.instead of a vin.tells  car was a special construction.  car will be a kit car unless , you  varies state to state. you need vin off donor car. percentage of donor car needs parts off donor car and or  options as i understand. if i had a vin off a wrecked , i could make one then or not.

[Ghoste]

So its a kit car or a rebodied vin.

[nvrbdn]

yep thats it.  as long as you have a vin tag, you can have an old car with 50 years less road use on it than the guy sitting next to you.

[33yeartoy]

  according to article they seem to build better, thicker braces, stronger panels. i wish ..........nobody makes 70 fenders do they..

[charger_fan_4ever]

   i wish ..........nobody makes 70 fenders do they..

No unfortunately not in steel.

There was an article on moparts where they compared  a 1/4 panel NOS vs Classic body Design vs AMD

NOS 29lbs
CBD 30lbs
AMD 40lbs

Its  heavy gauge metal. Could not believe how heavy the dutchman and lower plenum where. I'd say they were thicker metal too.