Canada is no longer a police state.

[404NOTFOUND]

It's hard to believe but, after decades of left wing stupidity the impossible has finally happened. All it took was a long overdue change in government to undo what we thought could not be undone. Have a look.

     http://www.cp24.com/servlet/an/local/CTVNews/20120215/120215_Gun_Registry_Bill/20120215/?hub=CP24Home

[Ghoste]

It's about time!!!!

[AKcharger]

Hoorey for canada!

[Drache]

It's not over yet. It still has to go through the Senate first. Quebec is also threatening to take this bill to the courts which means they could tie it coming into effect for years.

[TheGhost]

I thought Quebec wanted to split from Canada?

[Brads70]

    WHAAA HOOOO! Its about time! It's been a long fight! 

[Ghoste]

The Liberals no longer have a majority in the senate so it will pass there.  Quebec doesn't want the law kept in effect, they want the existing records to remain on file.

[404NOTFOUND]

The Liberals no longer have a majority in the senate so it will pass there.  Quebec doesn't want the law kept in effect, they want the existing records to remain on file.

Yup, good luck to them with that. All the gun owners are online. I trade my Remington shotgun for your Remington shotgun. They can keep all the obsolete records they want LOL. No surprise there because the Quebec government are famous for being sore losers. No reflection of the fine people who live there.

[Ghoste]

I thought Quebec wanted to split from Canada?

For the most part, no.  The government there is much like a dog that has been taught there is food at the table and by growling and biting at your pant legs, it will be fed.  For the continual threat of separation they receive enormous tax incentives encouraging them to stay.  There are some who legitimately want to leave but the citizenry largely are like anywhere else, they just want to work and raise their families and enjoy life.  It is a beautiful province with a lot to offer and the French culture and heritage are all second to none in the world, but the separation thing needs to be put to rest.

[Drache]

The Liberals no longer have a majority in the senate so it will pass there.  Quebec doesn't want the law kept in effect, they want the existing records to remain on file.

Yup, good luck to them with that. All the gun owners are online. I trade my Remington shotgun for your Remington shotgun. They can keep all the obsolete records they want LOL. No surprise there because the Quebec government are famous for being sore losers. No reflection of the fine people who live there.

Quebec wants to create their own provincial registry.

[Ghoste]

Fine, but leave the taxation for that little program as a provincial thing then.

[bull]

Isn't it nice? Finally the bad guys will have to live under the threat of death by gun too. Congrats!

[Troy]

Ok, so I'm having some difficulty understanding the politics. The 2 "New Democrats" who broke ranks to vote for this were punished earlier for breaking ranks?

At that time, Turmel suspended their travel privileges and banned them from participating in question period, sitting on committees or making public statements.

Isn't that censorship? As well as interfering with their duties as government employees? Who decides how the whole party is supposed to vote? Doesn't that pretty much consolidate all the power into a very small number of hands? I'm assuming that isn't how the system was designed. Sadly, I believe we're on the same path - but we only (effectively) have 2 parties.

Also:

The association says police consult the registry, on average, more than 10,000 times a day, often to determine the possible presence of a shotgun or rifle in a home where they've received a domestic violence call.

So yeah, if the person has a registered shotgun the cops expect the worst I presume. Profiling? Discrimination? Hmmm. How prevalent is domestic violence any way? 10,000 times per day seems a little excessive.

Reminds me of some stuff I do at work. In the past, certain performance metrics were only calculated once per month (or year!) but I was able to make them available in real time. The managers became fixated on them and would spend all day refreshing the display (kinda like watching the stock ticker non-stop). The numbers are only a tool to help grasp the "big picture" and not a "magic bullet".

Troy

[Ghoste]

Canada is in many ways a socialist nation.  A lot of people wont say that out loud but it really is true.

[Drache]

Myths & Facts

Myth #1:
In 2009, it cost $4.1 million to operate the long-gun registry.

Fact #1
Many different numbers have been thrown around. When appearing before the Standing Committee on Public Safety the Canadian Taxpayers Federation gave a number of $106 million per year. (House of Commons Public Safety Committee, May 25, 2010)

Myth #2:
The Canadian Police Association says their membership is totally supportive of the long-gun registry.

Fact #2:
During Parliamentary hearings into the long-gun registry, the President of the Canadian Police Association, Charles Momy, admitted that less than 1 per cent of his association's membership responded to a survey on the long-gun registry. (House of Commons Public Safety Committee, May 13, 2010)

Myth #3
Virtually all police, including all Police Chiefs across Canada, support the long-gun registry.

Fact #3
Many police chiefs and front-line officers have spoken out against the long-gun registry. Rick Hanson, Calgary Police Chief, Evan Bray, Saskatchewan, Sgt/Det Murray Grismer Saskatoon, Sgt. Duane Rutledge – Active Police Officer, Dave Shipman, Mitch McCormick and Jack Tinsley – Winnipeg, retired, Bob Rich Chief of Police Abbotsford Police These are just witnesses, thousands more have supported with phone calls and emails. See Garry Breitkreuz' s website for what police have said: http://www.garrybreitkreuz.com/publications/2010/978.pdf

Myth #4
Police from across Canada access the long-gun registry over 11,000 times a day.

Fact#4
Computer activity does not denote usage. Of the 11,086 computer hits per day in 2009, 7,653 were for a name, 2,842 were for addresses, but a mere 19 were checking a registration certificate...of all types! The vast majority were due to hits automatically generated by a system designed to produce impressive statistics from irrelevant inquiries. (Source: http://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/cfp-pcaf/facts-faits/archives/quick_facts/2010/mar-eng.htm)

[bull]

Also:

The association says police consult the registry, on average, more than 10,000 times a day, often to determine the possible presence of a shotgun or rifle in a home where they've received a domestic violence call.

So yeah, if the person has a registered shotgun the cops expect the worst I presume. Profiling? Discrimination? Hmmm. How prevalent is domestic violence any way? 10,000 times per day seems a little excessive.

Troy

It is excessive, which leads me to believe "often" is the operative word and that the gun weapons registration list is probably being used under any number of assumptions by law enforcement officials. IMO there's more to this registration list than just to alert cops to the presence of guns. So, will this list be eliminated now or will it continue to be referred to?

[Troy]

 

The vast majority were due to hits automatically generated by a system designed to produce impressive statistics from irrelevant inquiries.

This may sound completely ridiculous but, as a programmer, I've done this before...

Troy

[Budnicks]

  congrats guys I hope it goes thru for you... I know how much I love all my guns, rifles & hand guns alike & I don't ever want to give up any rights on owning any of them ever... I think it's a step in the correct direction at least... Gun ownership rights {The Right to Own & Bare Arms} & handgun registration is a big deal here in the U.S., I am a life long member of the N.R.A. {National Riffle Assn. helps to protect the laws & our constitutional rights concerning guns/ownership & stop the liberals from taking that right away from us} & I also am a certified Range Master/Fire Arms Instructor, do you guys have any organization like the N.R.A. in Canada    The best of luck to our friendly northern neighbors...  

[Brads70]

Canada is in many ways a socialist nation.  A lot of people wont say that out loud but it really is true.

Yep!! I've been saying that for years! Canadians typically are like sheep. The government tells them what to believe and most are stupid enough to believe it and not think for themselves. Common sense  seems to "take a back seat" too often!
This is just an example! It's been a long hard fight , hope it works out well. I just wonder what's next? Maybe what is coming next is worse?

[Chryco Psycho]

I made up my mind on socialism & left !! I am not a sheeple !!
A few years back Quebec had a vote to leave Canaduh , the vote was 48.6% in favor of leaving , I called my MP & asked why I was not allowed to vote , only residents of Que were allowed to vote , I would have voted to kick them out .

[TK73]

congrats guys I hope it goes thru for you... I know how much I love all my guns, rifles & hand guns alike & I don't ever want to give up any rights on owning any of them ever... I think it's a step in the correct direction at least... Gun ownership rights {The Right to Own & Bare Arms} & handgun registration is a big deal here in the U.S., I am a life long member of the N.R.A. {National Riffle Assn. helps to protect the laws & our constitutional rights concerning guns/ownership & stop the liberals from taking that right away from us} & I also am a certified Range Master/Fire Arms Instructor, do you guys have any organization like the N.R.A. in Canada    The best of luck to our friendly northern neighbors...  

Liberals aren't trying to take your guns.

- TK: well-armed Liberal

[Fred]

congrats 

[AKcharger]

Liberals aren't trying to take your guns.

- TK: well-armed Liberal

I'm glad to hear it TK, really!    but you must admit, free public ownership of firearms is not a typical liberal political stance. It's usually a plank for disenchanted people bitterly clinging to guns and religion who are opposed to people not like them...at least that's what I heard somewhere  

[charger_fan_4ever]

Canada is in many ways a socialist nation.  A lot of people wont say that out loud but it really is true.

Closer to communism actually

[71green go]

I wouldnt live in any other country in the world...and I have lived in quite a few, And I know guns are a touchy subject but not all of us North of the border are wanting to bare arms...just sayin