olive green reproduction oil filter?

[69hemidaytona]

Is someone making reproduction olive green textured oil filters? I bought one on ebay and it sure looks like one but I haven't heard of any being made. The paint is too glossy, the texture is wrong, and it is an inch too short!

[Aero426]

There have been quite a few different threads about green filters on Moparts.   A while back, I thought BE/A was going to reproduce them, but Mike Ross said the project got shelved.   Sounds like the one you have is back yard produced?  

http://board.moparts.org/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=7047956&page=0&fpart=1&vc=1

http://board.moparts.org/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Cat=0&Board=A12&Number=6562832&Searchpage=1&Main=6494880&Words=+HEMICUDA&topic=&Search=true

[69hemidaytona]

There have been quite a few different threads about green filters on Moparts.   A while back, I thought BE/A was going to reproduce them, but Mike Ross said the project got shelved.   Sounds like the one you have is back yard produced?  

http://board.moparts.org/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=7047956&page=0&fpart=1&vc=1

http://board.moparts.org/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Cat=0&Board=A12&Number=6562832&Searchpage=1&Main=6494880&Words=+HEMICUDA&topic=&Search=true

I really don't think it is a handmade filter. it's way too good to be one but it's too far off to be an original I think. I'll post some pics soon.

[69hemidaytona]

Here are some photos of this oil filter and the box it came in. It is shorter than others I have seen and the texture is more like severe orange peel than the grit that is in the NOS ones I have seen. Any idea what this is? It seems to me it would be real hard to make this as a one off piece in the garage.

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[WINGIN IT]

Could it be for a commercial line motor  (ie: marine / military) ?

[FJ5WING]

let me take that off your hands if the size and finish is bothering you that much. 

seriously...

[69hemidaytona]

let me take that off your hands if the size and finish is bothering you that much. 

seriously...

I paid $577.00 for it with shipping. I will gladly sell it to you for that. Be warned however that Roger Gibson's opinion is that it is a reproduction. Thing is I have not heard about any others existing.

[resq302]

Looks like the knurled part where you grip it to install / remove is longer than the originals also.

[FJ5WING]

thats a bigger lump than Im willing to part with for a wear item.

If that person would only get them out and into circulation for a Benny they would easily sell a few dozen or more. once word spreads that theres a possibliity of a filter listed as NOS may be a repop Id like to think nobodys buying for 500+ again.

[nascarxx29]

I read a old post where a white one was being reintroduced.The orginal assembly line filter was called a gold line I think

http://board.moparts.org/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=5263475&an=0&page=302 Mc Mannix Shows a filter similar to yours

[Davtona]

Could it be for a commercial line motor  (ie: marine / military) ?

This seems like a possibility to me also.   

The box looks too original to me, shelf wear and such to have been repopped. If it is a reproduction filter who would go to all the trouble to make a correct box also. It would be more believable as a repop if the box didn't fit the filter especially as you say the overall length of the filter is an inch short.

Different vendors?

[FJ5WING]

did he say the filter fit the box?

[Davtona]

did he say the filter fit the box?

Good point. I guess I assumed it fit as he never said it didn't fit.    If it doesn't fit the box then it being a repro filter would be more probable for sure.

[maxwellwedge]

I have a couple of NOS originals (No - not selling - already ear-marked for cars    ) - I'll take some pics next time I'm near them. Is it the flash - the color looks off.

[69hemidaytona]

Jim the color you see in the photos is accurate to what you would see in person. The box was in absolutely perfect condition when it arrived. The shelf wear you see on it is from me handling it. It's just so different from others I have seen. However I can't imagine someone making this on their own, even if they could sell it for almost $600.00. My thought was maybe someone has mass produced a bunch of these as reproductions but is trying to sell off the first few as NOS and get more money for them. The filter looks absolutely brand new. It even smells new on the threaded end!

[Aero426]

I am not suggesting anything one way or the other.  But my impression of the box, is that if it is super nice,  it's a weak link.   I would expect to see some shelf wear.   A good example I can think of is that you can buy a real nice reproduction box for your old Corgi or Dinky toy.    Printing technology would allow a box to be made pretty easy.     

[gtx6970]

About 15 years or so ago, I was offered a case of original green filters ( $1000 for the case) and in this case all were still in the original box. I want to say it was a case of 12 or maybe 10 . There were a few of them that showed wear , But most of the filter boxes and filters looked brand new . It was at the Mopar Nats in Indy back in the mid to late nineties  time frame.
So just because this box shows no wear, I for one wouldn't rule it out as an original.


About 4 or 5 years ago, Mopar supposedly was tooling up to repop this filter but sadly it never made it into production. Maybe this is one of the test shots for that project

[Aero426]

No question, it would not be impossible to have a minty-mint package.   

[WINGIN IT]

did he say the filter fit the box?

Good point. I guess I assumed it fit as he never said it didn't fit.    If it doesn't fit the box then it being a repro filter would be more probable for sure.

So does the filter fit the box, or is the box larger than the filter?
If the box was larger , I think this would indicate someone putting a reproduction in an original box.

[69hemidaytona]

The box is the same size as the others I have seen.

[maxwellwedge]

I have a couple of NOS originals (No - not selling - already ear-marked for cars    ) - I'll take some pics next time I'm near them. Is it the flash - the color looks off.

Here you go!

[maxwellwedge]

More...

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Still More.....

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[maxwellwedge]

There is a big difference between the flange pics - color is different as well.

Box Dimensions

4" x 4" x 6"

Filter

5 -7/8"  x  3-3/4"

[Hemi Runner]

What can you do with an NOS oil filter besides display it on a shelf? I'm not knocking it, but really, what good is it? Do any of you guys actually have oil in your cars? Again, not knocking it, just trying to understand what the "original" crowd is about.

[resq302]

Ive come up with an alternate solution to my problem.     But not quite as nice as that one that someone shelled out over $500 bills for.

[62 Max]

What can you do with an NOS oil filter besides display it on a shelf? I'm not knocking it, but really, what good is it? Do any of you guys actually have oil in your cars? Again, not knocking it, just trying to understand what the "original" crowd is about.

Use a green filter and the tree huggers will love you !!

[UFO]

Would the green filter be considered assembly line correct or back in the day(time wise) correct?

[resq302]

yes assembly line correct up till 1972 when they changed over to the red,white, and blue for 72.

[69hemidaytona]

There is a big difference between the flange pics - color is different as well.

Box Dimensions

4" x 4" x 6"

Filter

5 -7/8"  x  3-3/4"

That looks like the ones I have seen before. Thanks Jim. I'm still working with ebay to get mine returned to the seller. The seller insists it is a factory original NOS filter. If so then why is he fighting my return of it to him?

[FJ5WING]

because of what you were willing to pay?

were you the high bidder or was it a "buy it now"?

For my level of restoration (IE: BUDGET) that item would be wasted. I will be driving much more often than trailering,  until I buy a trailer.....I'll never be trailering. 

[ksquared]

OK, as an observant newbie, I will just say that sometime the story can be too good to actually be true.  I think this could be such a situation.

I base this on Reply #7 by 69hemidaytona that shows a photo of the oil filter base.  In that photo, it is pristine.  Also, in that photo, you can see six crimps of the interior flange.  Now, look at the photo from maxwellwedge Reply #35.  In that photo, the oil filter base is "aged" with possibly even some small bits of rust forming (sorry if I'm wrong about the rust, can't see close enough detail).  In addition, there are no crimps, it is smooth all around on the inside flange.  In addition, the eight holes for the two oil filters are in entirely different locations.

[69hemidaytona]

Yes there are many differences in the 2. This filter I have not only looks like it was made yesterday but it even smells new by the threaded part. I was the high bidder but somebody else bid just $10.00 less than me. If the seller wanted to he could accept return of this filter and sell it to the second highest bidder. The fact that he is fighting the return with ebay so badly leads me to believe he knows it is a reproduction. I wonder if we will see more of these for sale soon.

[FJ5WING]

I hope youre able to get things right!

do you think you can give us a heads up on the seller so we can avaoid the same problem youre falling victim to?

[nascarxx29]

The ebay link doesnt show sellers ID.To see whos knocking them out
But It Now=  $1,500.00

NOS Mopar L-72 1851658 green HEMI oil filter



oegold won this item with a Best Offer of US $900.00.

     

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/NOS-Mopar-L-72-1851658-green-HEMI-oil-filter_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ33661QQihZ008QQitemZ180043991890QQrdZ1QQsspagenameZWDVW

http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=2289700

[nascarxx29]

Wonder if this ones legit $1990.00 QTY 22 of them
http://www.collectorsautosupply.com/query.asp?make=MOPAR+E+BODY&year=0&section=FILTERS
GREEN ASSEMBLY LINE OIL FILTER #L-72, CORRECT CORRECT!!!  GREEN ASSEMBLY LINE OIL FILTER #L-72, CORRECT CORRECT!!!  1851658  NOS  22  $1990

Need one just for the judges used one $575
http://www.ebay.com/itm/OEM-Vintage-GREEN-68-72-Assembly-Line-L-72-M-Oil-Filter-/230153379520?item=230153379520&vxp=mtr

NOS $995.00 http://tonysparts.com/SearchResults.asp
B-Body NOS

$995

1851658

GREEN ASSEMBLY LINE OIL FILTER #L-72, CORRECT CORRECT!!!



E-Body NOS

$995

1851658

GREEN ASSEMBLY LINE OIL FILTER #L-72, CORRECT CORRECT!!!

[FJ5WING]

http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=2289700

I love the Chevy guys comment about the debeaking the Wing Cars!

[nascarxx29]

Detailed photos green NOS oil filter.I see 7 spot welds on flange.As seen on Jim filter picts.And a different underside appearance on 69 daytonas filter
http://www.autowebworx.com/viewer/NOSGreenOilFilter/NOSGreenOilFilter.htm

[Topher]

I remember someone reproducing the M on the end of a Purolator filter. It's been a few years, and I can't remember if it was in here or on Moparts. The guy had figured out a way to raise the M on an assembled filter without harming the innards.

Looking at the 2 bxes pictured, the first one has white on the bottom, and the second one doesn't. This looks to me like white stock was printed on. Also, were the originals wrapped with styrofoam paper?

[resq302]

you mean one like this?

[moparstuart]

you mean one like this?

nice work buddy

[resq302]

you mean one like this?

nice work buddy

I can not confirm, nor deny that I did such work.     (but yes, it is very nice!)

[moparstuart]

you mean one like this?

nice work buddy

I can not confirm, nor deny that I did such work.     (but yes, it is very nice!)

ok mums the word i will never tell

[69hemidaytona]

I hope youre able to get things right!

do you think you can give us a heads up on the seller so we can avaoid the same problem youre falling victim to?

The ebay seller is
chrydodplydes ( Feedback Score Of 5013)

99.9% Positive feedback
He is in Vermillion, SD

[Davtona]

you mean one like this?

That is very nice. 

[resq302]

here is another pic of one that I have come across.

[odcics2]

Keep in mind an nos filter that's old will have the element deteriorated inside. In use, it will most likely come apart.