# matching survivor...

[Lennard]

my @ss!

http://www.vanguardmotorsales.com/Inventory/DetailsPage/tabid/126/company/VANGUARDAUTOS/vin/XS29L9B398661/Default.aspx

[earnie]

she looks nice but definatly not a survivor=restomodded at best

[1974dodgecharger]

how can you tell  I been to these guys place before in MI since I reside there and they seem pretty cool. They always want me to buy a car, but I usually just test drive them. YES they know it and let me.....

[Lennard]

how can you tell  

This is what they say about it:
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This is what has been done

Driveline
440 Magnum bored .030" over
Speed Pro forged pistons (domed)
Aftermarket Cam (Street/Strip)
Edelbrock Heads
Mopar performance valve covers
Demon 750 Carbeurator
Edelbrock Performer Air Intake
Aftermarket Air Filter Assembly
Moroso 8 qt. Oil Pan
March Pulley/Serpentine system (110 amp alternator)
New Motor Mounts (manciniracing)
727 Torqueflite Transmission
Rebuilt completely at the same time as the engine
Shift Kit
2800 Stall Converter
Transmission oil cooler
Aftermarket larger volume pan
New U-Joints
Richmond Ring and Pinion (3:55, stock was 3:23)

Brakes/Chassis
Willwood disk brake system front and rear
Willwood new power master cylinder
Aftermarket heavy-duty sway bar
New ball joints
New steering box
Borgeson universal joint (coupler from column to gear)
New Leaf Springs
Budnik 17" Fontana Fat Lip Aluminum Wheels
New Front windshield and rubber replaced when dash was painted

Heating/Cooling
Be Cool Radiator
180-degree thermostat
6 blade solid fan
Aftermarket aluminum heater core

Electrical/Ignition
Msd 6A-L System
Battery moved to trunk (pass. Side)
Kill Switch installed
Oil pressure gauge/Rpm gauge

Interior
New backseat
Entire floor pan treated with POR15
Sound Deadening mat on floor pan
New Carpet
Dash pulled and painted
New Dash pad
New Jensen stereo with 4x6 and 2 6-9's
Lacarra Steering Wheel with Billet Adapter

Exhaust
Hooker Super Comp Headers
Flowmaster Kit with Series 40 Mufflers
3" Straight Pipe
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Also watch the video at the bottom of the page.

[RallyeMike]

The description is very thorough and appears accurate including what is original and what has been upgraded, so why care what terminology is thrown about?

When people present a car as a survivor and hide the facts that it is not, that's when   occurs.

[RallyeMike]

Love the old "You won't find a better car for the money", but then they don't have a price.

Salesmen 

[FLG]

I agree, though might not be the correct wording....they seem to at least document it well.

[Lennard]

The description is very thorough and appears accurate including what is original and what has been upgraded, so why care what terminology is thrown about?
When people present a car as a survivor and hide the facts that it is not, that's when   occurs.

In the video he keeps repeating that it is a # matching survivor car and a blind guy can see that it is not, that's why I care.
On this forum it has been stated before that (as an example) I can not say that I am restoring my Charger because the original drive train is long gone and it's going to have aftermarket wheels and a different color than it came with from the factory.

[rarefish]

Ad says "This Vehicle was ordered with the Recall Wheels Very Rare". I'm not sure why the dealer would have order the 15" Cast Center "recall wheel" on April 28, 1969. I guess they did not read the factory's wheel recall notice that was sent out to dealers on September 13, 1968. The broadcast sheet and the window sticker clearly shows that the car was built with the W21 code 14" Steel Road Wheels.
The orginal color of the car was T7 Dark Bronze Met. with a C6T Tan interior. Some how this "survivor" ended up black on Black.....
  I just watched the video... "It's got Wild Wood Disc Brakes"  

[69hemidaytona]

Since the car still exists I guess it is a "survivor".

[Mikesmoparperformance]

Since the car still exists I guess it is a "survivor".

Matching numbers except for the transmission If it was a survivor then the transmission was matching numbers also this guy is funny I like this T7 Dark Bronze. with a C6T Tan interior. !! To bad it is black on black now Did y'all see that the front of the grille is broken  And the back tail lights don't work also

[Cooter]

What I find funny is the fact that you people expect more from a freaking flipper car salesman...HE'S A DEALER for f*cks sake.

[chargerjy9]

couple of years ago I saw a video of a car taken in front of the same house. video was slick, car advertised as best ever, saw the car in person, was absolute POS, totally misrepresented, IMO.

[XS29L9Bxxxxxx]

couple of years ago I saw a video of a car taken in front of the same house. video was slick, car advertised as best ever, saw the car in person, was absolute POS, totally misrepresented, IMO.

Well, there ya' go... Never buy a car sight unseen - EVERYONE misrepresents to some degree, EVERYONE!

[madmike]

All those modifications and engine work...doesn't even have the same colored spark plug wires!

[Lennard]

What I find funny is the fact that you people expect more from a freaking flipper car salesman...HE'S A DEALER for f*cks sake.

Who obviously thinks the rest of the world doesn't know shit about cars.

[RallyeMike]

On this forum it has been stated before that (as an example) I can not say that I am restoring my Charger because the original drive train is long gone and it's going to have aftermarket wheels and a different color than it came with from the factory.

A restoration is a restoration whether it's a stock or modified restoration. I think you are confusing portions of the terms "restoration" and "survivor". Any car that is restored can never be a survivor in most peoples opinion.

In this case of this car for sale, its definitely not a survivor in the car-hobbyist term of the word, but so many people use the term survivor for just about any car that hasnt been parted or crushed. At least in this case, the seller has put enough information out there for people to honestly judge the car on its own merits and not have to worry about how an individual defines terms such as "survivor" or "pristine", or "#__" condition. That's a good thing.

PS - Sorry to hear you are restoring your car. It looks completely bad ass as it sits!

[Darkman]

In the video, he defined the term "survivor" (how he sees/interprets it) by being an all original panel car. I can see his point. It is a survivor to some degree if it has all its original panels.

I don't recall him calling it a "true survivor"

[HeavyFuel]

In the video, he defined the term "survivor" (how he sees/interprets it) by being an all original panel car. I can see his point. It is a survivor to some degree if it has all its original panels.

I don't recall him calling it a "true survivor"

I know you are giving him the benefit of the doubt, but that is really weak, you gotta admit.   Body panels?  Most us could call our cars survivors then. 

Let's hope we don't get to the point were we have survivors, true survivors, true blue survivors, autheticated true blue survivors, etc.....   

[model maker]

Same site, different charger. This 1970 charger  is a little rough with some rust/rot under the frame. I was looking at the taillight panel and it is not a 70 but rather a 69 charger taillight panel. the 70 has a chrome ring surround around the entire light length. this car may have been hit from behind & someone did not know the difference in taillight panels for 69 & 70.

http://www.vanguardmotorsales.com/Inventory/DetailsPage/tabid/126/company/VANGUARDAUTOS/vin/XP29N0G185611/Default.aspx

[Darkman]

In the video, he defined the term "survivor" (how he sees/interprets it) by being an all original panel car. I can see his point. It is a survivor to some degree if it has all its original panels.

I don't recall him calling it a "true survivor"

I know you are giving him the benefit of the doubt, but that is really weak, you gotta admit.   Body panels?  Most us could call our cars survivors then. 

Let's hope we don't get to the point were we have survivors, true survivors, true blue survivors, autheticated true blue survivors, etc.....   

I understand that, but at least he hasn't wrongly advertised it as a "survivor". He only mentioned it in the clip, but I couldn't see it written in the add. So i believe he is not wrongly advertising the car as a survivor

[bill440rt]

Same site, different charger. This 1970 charger  is a little rough with some rust/rot under the frame. I was looking at the taillight panel and it is not a 70 but rather a 69 charger taillight panel. the 70 has a chrome ring surround around the entire light length. this car may have been hit from behind & someone did not know the difference in taillight panels for 69 & 70.

http://www.vanguardmotorsales.com/Inventory/DetailsPage/tabid/126/company/VANGUARDAUTOS/vin/XP29N0G185611/Default.aspx

Base model 1970 Chargers will not have the tail light panel molding, but instead have '69 "style" tail lights with the chrome bezels like that car pictured. They are basically '70 lenses with the reflectors with the chrome bezels added. 

Not only is the frame rusted, but looks like whoever flat-bedded it got a little overzealous with the tie down! Frame rail holes are ripped wide open. 
Who ties down a car like that these days?? 

[Cooter]

What I find funny is the fact that you people expect more from a freaking flipper car salesman...HE'S A DEALER for f*cks sake.

Who obviously thinks the rest of the world doesn't know shit about cars.

This is all fine and dandy. we know this already, but when you try and tell an idiot he's incorrect, you become the idiot at that point.

[Ghoste]

History proves you are right Cooter but it also shows that if you just lay down and accept whatever is thrown at you, the turds will become more blatant.

[elanmars]

hmm I thought this car had been sold a while back? it keeps popping up on random places with different phone numbers and different cities/states. i had an email a while back from the "owner", seemed pretty sketchy and i showed the email to bakerphillips and he felt the same.

i guess maybe this dealer bought the car back or something...

[oldgold69]

are not the vin tag rivets wrong  it looks like rust pits on vin tag  the trunk looks  half paint half rust 

[Lennard]

A restoration is a restoration whether it's a stock or modified restoration. I think you are confusing portions of the terms "restoration" and "survivor". Any car that is restored can never be a survivor in most peoples opinion.
PS - Sorry to hear you are restoring your car. It looks completely bad ass as it sits!

A while back I mentioned in a certain topic that I was restoring my Charger and when I mentioned that I was going to put Vectors underneath it and possibly a Dana 60 and a 426 Hemi in it I got schooled that I was working on a restomod, not a restoration. But it's all good... what ever you call it, it's going to be my dreamcar.
PS - It's going to look the same, just better than new and with shiny Black paint.

[maxwellwedge]

are not the vin tag rivets wrong  it looks like rust pits on vin tag  the trunk looks  half paint half rust 

Yup - I noticed the rivets as well....and the black spray bomb over the scaling in the trunk