Need some help guys... Superbird or Daytona???????????

[68 Bullitt Charger]

Hi Everyone, I am going to be looking for a Wing Car and not sure which one??  I am wondering which would be the better of the two although I wish I can afford both. I will be looking for a #'s match 440 4spd car with full documentation. I can not afford the Hemi and I am not interested in a clone. Can anyone tell me which car is rare, more valuable, etc???   Thanks for Everyone's health.  Joe C

[Fred]

In my opinion, definitely the Daytona. 

[69 DAYTONA]

...Daytona on all counts

[Golden-Arm]

the charger would be pretty sweet, but dollar for dollar, the same options being applied, the road runner will leave you with an extra 30-40K in your wallet, at the end of the sale.

[hemi68charger]

The Daytona will be the more "rare" of the two.......... In all honesty, if you're limiting yourself to having to find something with an original motor and tranny (I'm assuming that's what you mean by #'s matching.), you will have to be patient and have a lot of dollars if you want a Daytona. There are more Superbirds out there to choose from in that regard. There were 4 times as many Superbirds built compared to Daytonas. Take for example, my Daytona which is for sale is listed at 145K.. Haven't sold it yet, so that's reflects the market, but also, it doesn't have it's original block and tranny case. Now, all those individuals who in the past were interested in my car, but had to have the #'s-thing, they are either still looking or have "settled" for a Superbird. I only say "settled" since they originally were looking for a 'Bird.

Good luck... I was in your shoes for a long time and finally found mine. Luckily, I didn't give a flip if it had the original block (albeit it sure would have been nice).......

[moparstuart]

if you are just looking for the rarest and what will be more valueable , yes go with a daytona , but if you want the best looking and the most awesome car ever get the Beep Beep horn car .   

[FJ5WING]

I think your finances play a big roll in this decision!  

How much do you have to spend?  

Troy's car is at a good price if you can live with the motor and trans not being numbers matched!   (Apparently it matters more than some feel. )  although it has been modified to accept the 5 speed.   I think its a good car and would have talked with him a long time ago if I had the money for a second wing.
You should be able to find a numbers Superbird for the same money if its that important to you and you dont care what you get as long as you get into a wing car.

GOOD LUCK on your search and post pics of all your prospects!

[3--Daytona]

Nothing like owening a Daytona  !!!!!!!!

[maxwellwedge]

Given a choice, and if you can swing it - Daytona.......But  --  Bird's are a good thing as well.

[WINGIN IT]

You can also throw into your decision if you care how much work / metal replacement was done on the car.
Typically there's 2 camps, those who'd rather have a car with original metal than a matching motor, or those who'd rather have a number's matching car not caring if the car as repro quarters, trunkpan, replacement parts etc...

All play a part in value, of course, but it comes down to what you care about most.

[68 Bullitt Charger]

   Wow guys I really appreciate all the opinion's, even from the Beep-Beep Guy's!!   Well I will be searching for a Daytona at first however if an original Superbird comes around I might get weak and go for it as both are beautiful machine's. I will be at BJ in Palm Beach so you never know. Maybe even luck out and find one on my own. Guys I want to Thank you all for your time and help.

[Redbird]

Simply buy what you want. My thought is that at the onset if you don't plan on making money on it you'll be happier at the end. So much the better if you later make money, just don't plan on it.

Daytona, a lot rarer, the market said a week or so ago that you can buy one at an auction for $ 110,000 or so.

If you had to sell your complete car in 3 years from now in a month's time, what would a buyer look for. Rare, overheating and undriveable in dark green isn't desirable to a number of people. High impact color with a bench seat doesn't appeal to others.

Over $ 100,000 is still a lot of money for anything.

[hemi68charger]

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Daytona, a lot rarer, the market said a week or so ago that you can buy one at an auction for $ 110,000 or so.

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Very true, but that is one less Daytona on the market. There are hardly any to replace it with at that price and in that condition. Daytona's are not a commodity.

[nelson_audet]

i love the superbird but if i have the choice between a bird or a tona, my choice will be DAYTONA!!!

troy car !!! hehe

[68X426]

Yeah, well King Richard drove a Superbird.    So my money would be on a Plymouth. 

Yes, the Daytona is more rare, agreed.

[Ghoste]

The Daytona just looks better, what can I say it's those 2nd gen Charger lines.

[nelson_audet]

The Daytona just looks better, what can I say it's those 2nd gen Charger lines.

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[pettybird]

can't disagree with the lines but you simply can't trump the horn.

[Ghoste]

The horn?  Sorry man, it's cute and all but I can't fall in love with a car based on a gimmick.

[FJ5WING]

3 two barrels do a pretty good job of not being cute. 


The nose and wings on Birds are much better but I like the roof on the Daytonas. Ill also throw out there the lack of the ugly nose gaskets on the Birds. I dont like the Quarter decals on either but do like the wing treatments on the Birds. the quarter panals on the Birds are more to my liking, the tail lights on both cars have their good points.(I know not too many like the RR's tail lights, but I do)
I like the Birds interior better too. PISTOL GRIP!!!!!  and no silly map pockets!  ......Sheesh! I guess I am glad I have the Bird instead of the Daytona!


That was all in fun....well mostly. I did try to get an original Daytona owner to sell me his Orange 440 stick car in 1987, but he wanted to drive it until it died......It was close then.

[gtx6970]

which one for me really comes down to color and options combination

I like a Bird in limelight or yellow, but I'm not a fan of  the yellow in 69

both look good in B5  blue but NEED white guts
Daytona in B5 with white stripe and wing just does something to me

Not a fan of either in red unless the daytona has red interior which red int is not avail on a bird

And although I used to like the rear end of th ebird , over the years now I think I like the back of a 69 Charger much better. But like the smoother nose and laid back wing on the bird much better than the daytona

[hemi68charger]

Yeah, well King Richard drove a Superbird....

Only because Plymouth whined like a spoiled lil' brother when Petty wanted one of those "winged" cars.....      If it wasn't for that, then Petty would have been in a Charger a lot sooner and those "beep beep"s wouldn't be so............... But, in the end things have a way of working out, Superbirds are awesome................. BUT.......

[moparstuart]

Yeah, well King Richard drove a Superbird....

Only because Plymouth whined like a spoiled lil' brother when Petty wanted one of those "winged" cars.....      If it wasn't for that, then Petty would have been in a Charger a lot sooner and those "beep beep"s wouldn't be so............... But, in the end things have a way of working out, Superbirds are awesome................. BUT.......

Plymouth makes it

[pettybird]

The horn?  Sorry man, it's cute and all but I can't fall in love with a car based on a gimmick.

like the wing and nose aren't?


in for a penny...

[Ghoste]

Not saying I dont like the Plymouth, just saying that I dont agree the horn trumps the Charger lines.  Others would say the horn is their favorite part of the car/  its all good.

[learical1]

Yeah, well King Richard drove a Superbird....

Only because Plymouth whined like a spoiled lil' brother when Petty wanted one of those "winged" cars.....      If it wasn't for that, then Petty might have continued in a Ford and those "beep beep"s wouldn't be so............... But, in the end things have a way of working out, Superbirds are awesome period, Amen!

Fixed!

[WINGIN IT]

I like aspects of one and the other as stated. 
What tips it for me, to the Superbird side,   is the pistol grip believe it or not.
I had 1 Mopar with a 3 speed , but it didn't feel as comfortable as a pistol grip.

Of course if someone wants to will me their Daytona, I'm not gonna say no...

[moparstuart]

I like aspects of one and the other as stated. 
What tips it for me, to the Superbird side,   is the pistol grip believe it or not.
I had 1 Mopar with a 3 speed , but it didn't feel as comfortable as a pistol grip.

Of course if someone wants to will me their Daytona, I'm not gonna say no...

hey thats already my stick,  stay off it lol 

[maxwellwedge]

 


Actually - That was funny!

[moparstuart]

Actually - That was funny!

[WINGIN IT]

There's more than ONE Daytona out there to be willed... don't be greedy ...

[hemi68charger]

There's more than ONE Daytona out there to be willed... don't be greedy ...

I'm sure that's what Julie will say in 18 years... At least I hope..... 

[moparstuart]

There's more than ONE Daytona out there to be willed... don't be greedy ...

I just wanna make sure i get mine first , My stick i got first dibbs   

[Kismgby]

Having HAD a pistol grip 4 spd Superbird that I kicked to the curb for my auto Daytona, I guess you know which one I prefer.  But that's a choice that I had to make based upon what worked best for me.  As others have said, you have to decide what will be the best for you. 

SUPERBIRD PROS - (Yes, I know there's more, but this is a reply not a blog)
Richard Petty.  OK, guess we can stop right here.
It says PLYMOUTH large enough on the side that if someone calls it a DODGE they have to be a moron.
Most non-Mopar folks think anything with a wing is a 'bird anyway.
Cool stuffed cartoon animal display options.
Distinctive horn sound that folks seem to WANT to hear!
Can't argue about the allure of the 6-pack.
Not much more testosterone than a pistol grip shift.
Pull up on either side of the pump!
LARGE trunk opening.
Power steering is standard!
Hood assist.
LIghted side markers!

DAYTONA PROS -
Masterpiece of design (IMHO) - Designed not combined.
1/4 the numbers of the Superbird.  Less likely to hear "I've got a buddy with one of those."
Having a HEMI badges makes you even MORE popular.   
A horn from Autozone will work in a pinch and no one's the wiser.
Gas cap on the fender is way cool.
The key goes in the dash, not the steering column. 
No need to Armor All the roof.
Cool fender scoop grills.

SUPERBIRD "CONS" - (for entertainment purposes only....I'm not being mean!)
Selling it later won't leave you with the question of what to do with all the Warner Bros cartoon stuff if you have no (grand)children that visit.
One man's "high impact" is another man's "clown" colorwheel.
The mystery of what might lie beneath the vinyl roof!
Luck of the draw bench seat option.
Less likely to fine "correct" models of your car.  (Thank you WB license folks.)
You have to convince folks those fender scoops aren't just decorative. 

DAYTONA "CONS" -
I don't own a firearm due to the amount of folks who say "SuperBee"...  Keeps me outta jail.
The mail slot trunk lid.  When I find that 6'8" 13 yr old, I'll be able to get the crap outta the "way back" of my trunk some day.
You would think every part was made from solid platinum or something.
Thumbwheel radio.  I'm just geared toward right and left not up and down!
Cleanup from those grills under the fender scoops - but only if you actually DRIVE your car!
Glove box that doesn't allow the door to be used as drink holder.
Lack of "Daytona-wear" available.  Some times you just have to "settle" for Charger.
Dodge will slap "DAYTONA" on most anything!  Trucks, 4 door sedans, you name it! 

Enjoy your journey! 

JoA

[hemi68charger]

Enjoy your journey! 

JoA

Very good...... 

[FJ5WING]

Enjoy your journey! 

JoA

Very good...... 

I like it too....

Im glad the designers got the silly nose to fender worked out the second time around. ( almost a fail) Ill also stick with the Plymouth exhaust tips, but I have to give the Dodge Boys the win on the fuel filler port. 

[Aero426]

Having HAD a pistol grip 4 spd Superbird that I kicked to the curb for my auto Daytona, I guess you know which one I prefer.  But that's a choice that I had to make based upon what worked best for me.  As others have said, you have to decide what will be the best for you. 

SUPERBIRD PROS - (Yes, I know there's more, but this is a reply not a blog)
Richard Petty.  OK, guess we can stop right here.
It says PLYMOUTH large enough on the side that if someone calls it a DODGE they have to be a moron.
Most non-Mopar folks think anything with a wing is a 'bird anyway.
Cool stuffed cartoon animal display options.
Distinctive horn sound that folks seem to WANT to hear!
Can't argue about the allure of the 6-pack.
Not much more testosterone than a pistol grip shift.
Pull up on either side of the pump!
LARGE trunk opening.
Power steering is standard!
Hood assist.
LIghted side markers!

DAYTONA PROS -
Masterpiece of design (IMHO) - Designed not combined.
1/4 the numbers of the Superbird.  Less likely to hear "I've got a buddy with one of those."
Having a HEMI badges makes you even MORE popular.   
A horn from Autozone will work in a pinch and no one's the wiser.
Gas cap on the fender is way cool.
The key goes in the dash, not the steering column. 
No need to Armor All the roof.
Cool fender scoop grills.

SUPERBIRD "CONS" - (for entertainment purposes only....I'm not being mean!)
Selling it later won't leave you with the question of what to do with all the Warner Bros cartoon stuff if you have no (grand)children that visit.
One man's "high impact" is another man's "clown" colorwheel.
The mystery of what might lie beneath the vinyl roof!
Luck of the draw bench seat option.
Less likely to fine "correct" models of your car.  (Thank you WB license folks.)
You have to convince folks those fender scoops aren't just decorative. 

DAYTONA "CONS" -
I don't own a firearm due to the amount of folks who say "SuperBee"...  Keeps me outta jail.
The mail slot trunk lid.  When I find that 6'8" 13 yr old, I'll be able to get the crap outta the "way back" of my trunk some day.
You would think every part was made from solid platinum or something.
Thumbwheel radio.  I'm just geared toward right and left not up and down!
Cleanup from those grills under the fender scoops - but only if you actually DRIVE your car!
Glove box that doesn't allow the door to be used as drink holder.
Lack of "Daytona-wear" available.  Some times you just have to "settle" for Charger.
Dodge will slap "DAYTONA" on most anything!  Trucks, 4 door sedans, you name it! 

Enjoy your journey! 

JoA

Awesome post

[billssuperbird]

bench seat with 4 speed. in my car.

[Kismgby]

Awesome post

OK to steal for newsletter filler one day.   

Thanks for the  everyone.  See what happens when you discover you have no juice in the house and substitute two cans of Red Bull instead.

...and a side note to BILLSSUPERBIRD.... My 'bird was the same as yours.  But at 5'4", in order to push the clutch all the way in, I had to let my "girls" rest on the steering wheel, and passengers sat with their knees under their chin.  No one had fun....scratch that...no one had the MOST fun you could have.

C'ya,
JoA

[moparstuart]

    she said girls   

[hemi68charger]

  she said girls   

I like girls....... 

[WINGIN IT]

  she said girls   

I like girls....... 

Especially in pairs ....    ( now see what you made me say...)

[Kismgby]

  she said girls   

I like girls....... 

Especially in pairs ....    ( now see what you made me say...)

Now HOW do I explain why I'm giggling at the office? 
You guys always know how to make me smile.  Love ya! 

[moparstuart]

 she said girls  

I like girls.......  

Especially in pairs ....   ( now see what you made me say...)

sorry it was the 12 year old kid showing himself in me again

[Dave Kanofsky]

Having HAD a pistol grip 4 spd Superbird that I kicked to the curb for my auto Daytona, I guess you know which one I prefer.  But that's a choice that I had to make based upon what worked best for me.  As others have said, you have to decide what will be the best for you. 

SUPERBIRD PROS - (Yes, I know there's more, but this is a reply not a blog)
Richard Petty.  OK, guess we can stop right here.
It says PLYMOUTH large enough on the side that if someone calls it a DODGE they have to be a moron.
Most non-Mopar folks think anything with a wing is a 'bird anyway.
Cool stuffed cartoon animal display options.
Distinctive horn sound that folks seem to WANT to hear!
Can't argue about the allure of the 6-pack.
Not much more testosterone than a pistol grip shift.
Pull up on either side of the pump!
LARGE trunk opening.
Power steering is standard!
Hood assist.
LIghted side markers!

DAYTONA PROS -
Masterpiece of design (IMHO) - Designed not combined.
1/4 the numbers of the Superbird.  Less likely to hear "I've got a buddy with one of those."
Having a HEMI badges makes you even MORE popular.   
A horn from Autozone will work in a pinch and no one's the wiser.
Gas cap on the fender is way cool.
The key goes in the dash, not the steering column. 
No need to Armor All the roof.
Cool fender scoop grills.

SUPERBIRD "CONS" - (for entertainment purposes only....I'm not being mean!)
Selling it later won't leave you with the question of what to do with all the Warner Bros cartoon stuff if you have no (grand)children that visit.
One man's "high impact" is another man's "clown" colorwheel.
The mystery of what might lie beneath the vinyl roof!
Luck of the draw bench seat option.
Less likely to fine "correct" models of your car.  (Thank you WB license folks.)
You have to convince folks those fender scoops aren't just decorative. 

DAYTONA "CONS" -
I don't own a firearm due to the amount of folks who say "SuperBee"...  Keeps me outta jail.
The mail slot trunk lid.  When I find that 6'8" 13 yr old, I'll be able to get the crap outta the "way back" of my trunk some day.
You would think every part was made from solid platinum or something.
Thumbwheel radio.  I'm just geared toward right and left not up and down!
Cleanup from those grills under the fender scoops - but only if you actually DRIVE your car!
Glove box that doesn't allow the door to be used as drink holder.
Lack of "Daytona-wear" available.  Some times you just have to "settle" for Charger.
Dodge will slap "DAYTONA" on most anything!  Trucks, 4 door sedans, you name it! 

Enjoy your journey! 

JoA

BRILLIANT!
From another one who HAD a pistol grip 4 spd Superbird that I kicked to the curb for my auto Daytona

[Kismgby]

BRILLIANT!
From another one who HAD a pistol grip 4 spd Superbird that I kicked to the curb for my auto Daytona

Dave, you always want to be like me!  (minus the "girls" and stuff).

[Dave Kanofsky]

BRILLIANT!
From another one who HAD a pistol grip 4 spd Superbird that I kicked to the curb for my auto Daytona

Dave, you always want to be like me!  (minus the "girls" and stuff).

HA HA!

I think you mean minus the "girls" PLUS some "stuff"  

[XS29LA47V21]

  My vote would be the Daytona less the wing and the extra 5.6 mile front nose (AKA 500).  

Ok, if you really had to have the wing thing, then the Daytona clearly.   

My perspective really is more of what base car you like better (RR or Charger). 

[WINGIN IT]

:My perspective really is more of what base car you like better (RR or Charger). 

 

Or which ever has the biggest ca-ho-nes    ( sorry had to get some testosterone back into the conversation )

[Kismgby]

A Roadrunner may have wings....but Chargers FLY!   

[WINGR]

Of course you can't go wrong with either one of these awesome machines. I am more of a Charger guy and have been for many years but there is something about the Bird that really gets to me. When I got my Bird I had a choice between buying an automatic Daytona that needed some body work and paint or the Bird which was a nice low mileage/#s/documented ready to go 4-speed Bird. Needless to say I got the Bird and have never looked back, I simply love it. 

Yes I would love a Daytona again but it would have to be very comparible to my Bird before it would really make me happy.

WINGR/Steve

[Fred]

A Roadrunner may have wings....but Chargers FLY!   

i'm with you mate

[WINGIN IT]

A Roadrunner may have wings....but Chargers FLY!   

Sure,  they fly like BIRDS ! 

I think you mean Charg(h)er , BTW

[wingcarenvy]

Can't decide. I guess I will have to sell my first and second born and buy one of each.