want to get back in the full size trk game

[xpbprox]

"And everyone knows that the ford body and chassis is far superior to that of a Chevy or Dodge."

I take issue with that statement as well. My son's 97 1500 Dodge has 200,000 miles on it and is as quiet inside as can be. The 08 Ford I drive at work has more squeeks and rattles than the old Dodge by far. The 08 Ford doesn't even have 50,000 miles on it all of them have been on pavement and the biggest load it has carried is a 400lb snowmobile. The Ford has had a wheel alignment and has been to the shop several times for chintzy problems like getting the heater repaired etc. Still not convinced? The tailgate on my 05 Dodge weighs probably twice as much as the Ford tailgate, I think that pretty much sums it up. Ford's are great for soccer  moms and wannabees, if you actually buy a truck to haul something and stay out of the shop, buy a Dodge or a newer Chev or GMC. The Ford "engineering" is so good that they set the gas pedal and brake pedal near each other and on the same plane, About five times now while wearing work boots I've revved up the engine while applying the brakes, that just p-poor designing, it's a darn good thing the truck has no power.

As far as making this a Ford vs Dodge argument, you're the one that came on here blabbing how good your choice is and how other choices are not as good. I don't care what other people do with their money and I realize different people value different features when spending their own money. Just don't run down my choice and I won't run down your choice.

Sheldon

cool story bro

[73rallye440magnum]

Ever wonder why Ford put Cummins motors into their medium duty trucks?

Powerstroke, Duramax... light duty rating

Cummins- medium duty rating.

Heavily biased Cummins owner here...

After personally servicing two different 12 valves both displaying over 1.5 million odometer miles, I have a hard time even comparing the Cummins to the other two. Both trucks had original motors. They TOW campers across the country for a living. Well maintained, and in exceptional condition. I don't recall ever hearing of a million mile Ford or Chevy. It's not that unusual for a properly maintained Cummins to go that distance.

My '98 12 valve is sneaking up on 250k. 4x4 5 speed quad cab long box, and I have never gotten under 20 mpg. (I drive conservatively) I averaged 25 mpg for over 1100 miles through the national parks out west. No computer crap to deal with. Truck started last winter at -29 unplugged.

Think your old Mopar big block has power? Mod your 12 valve cummins p-pump.

Stay away from the stock '98.5-02 VP pump Cummins. The lift pump likes to fail, which takes out the injection pump.

The Common Rail trucks make exceptional power and are still fairly reliable. Expensive though (initial cost, and service).

If you want a reliable pounder, buy a 12 valve.

Bear in mind, it's going to be a 15 year old truck. The 12V is a rattler.

Best part of my day? Firing up that old Dodge diesel.

[xpbprox]

Ever wonder why Ford put Cummins motors into their medium duty trucks?
umm I've seen an F-650 with one 
Also check out the International XT it's one bad ass truck! has the 6.0 but its under the international VT365

Powerstroke, Duramax... light duty rating

Cummins- medium duty rating.

Heavily biased Cummins owner here...

After personally servicing two different 12 valves both displaying over 1.5 million odometer miles, I have a hard time even comparing the Cummins to the other two. Both trucks had original motors. They TOW campers across the country for a living. Well maintained, and in exceptional condition. I don't recall ever hearing of a million mile Ford or Chevy. It's not that unusual for a properly maintained Cummins to go that distance.

My '98 12 valve is sneaking up on 250k. 4x4 5 speed quad cab long box, and I have never gotten under 20 mpg. (I drive conservatively) I averaged 25 mpg for over 1100 miles through the national parks out west. No computer crap to deal with. Truck started last winter at -29 unplugged.

Think your old Mopar big block has power? Mod your 12 valve cummins p-pump.

Stay away from the stock '98.5-02 VP pump Cummins. The lift pump likes to fail, which takes out the injection pump.

The Common Rail trucks make exceptional power and are still fairly reliable. Expensive though (initial cost, and service).

If you want a reliable pounder, buy a 12 valve.

Bear in mind, it's going to be a 15 year old truck. The 12V is a rattler.

Best part of my day? Firing up that old Dodge diesel.

I'm not gonna lie, the 12v will out last any motor in a light duty truck. If I had it my way, I would have a DT466/360 in my truck right now. The I-6s are much simpler to work on and less moving parts than a V8. Its simplicity is what gives it its longevity

[chargerboy69]

I don't recall ever hearing of a million mile Ford or Chevy.

I see 7.3 Fords with over a million miles on a weekly basis.

Nearly every auction house or RV transporter we use drive Fords, once in a great while we find one driving a Dodge, and never once have I had a camper dropped off with a GM. I was once a big Cummins guy too but after hearing from the people who hauled with a 1 ton trucks on a daily basis, roughly 90% of them praised the F-350 trucks. 

[chargerboy69]

Powerstroke all the way! I got 2 ford diesels and love them both!

7.3 powerstroke is bulletproof from the factory and the 6.0 can be bulletproofed for a couple grand.
Ford has a much better truck than the ram, better quality and strength.

24v cummins are good as long as you don't get a block with a 53 casting number (prone to cracking)
12V 94-98 is what you want to get, better fuel system with easy potential to get more power

Could not have said it better myself.  I know this is a Dodge board and many on here will drive any turd made by Dodge as long as it is made by Dodge.  I drive the best vehicles for my money and in my opinion nothing can compete with the 7.3, and the surrounding truck. The Dodge trucks just have to many issues for me to invest in one. 

Just sealed the deal yesterday to pick up a new/used 2002 F-350 7.3 4X4 crew cab dually with a Centurion conversion. Now all I need is the time to run to southern Indiana to pick it up.

[skip68]

I've had a few 7.3's and loved them.  Sidewinder Turbo with BD brake standard transmission 4x4 in the first one (fun truck) and Edge box, standard tranny 2 wheel drive in the last one.   I towed from Tennessee, truck loaded and my car on a trailer and got 17mpg.       My brother had a older Dodge with the 12v and that thing was a runner.   All stock, great power, great mileage and 7 or 800k miles on it.  It was an automatic though so it did see several tranny's.   BUT, automatic tranny's won't last much over the 100k-150k point no matter what you buy.   They all are capable of making good power and mileage and go half a million miles or better if maintained well ( oil changes ).   Well, not GM.    Steer clear of GM diesel products.   

Bottom line is it's preference. 

[ACUDANUT]

I don't recall ever hearing of a million mile Ford or Chevy.

I see 7.3 Fords with over a million miles on a weekly basis.

Nearly every auction house or RV transporter we use drive Fords, once in a great while we find one driving a Dodge, and never once have I had a camper dropped off with a GM. I was once a big Cummins guy too but after hearing from the people who hauled with a 1 ton trucks on a daily basis, roughly 90% of them praised the F-350 trucks. 

I agree. You juat can't make some folks get past anything but a Dodge.  Oh well, live and learn.

[moparstuart]

 as far as 7.3's selling them used i sell a hell of alot more of them because they have failed then i sell cummins .
  this last year i have sold at least one 7.3 a month .   only two cummins     

  and the 6.0 those were a big mistake    JUNK !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[chargerboy69]

as far as 7.3's selling them used i sell a hell of alot more of them because they have failed then i sell cummins .
  this last year i have sold at least one 7.3 a month .   only two cummins     

  and the 6.0 those were a big mistake    JUNK !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Those 6.0's were total junk.  I was told Ford was forced to dump the 7.3 because of new emission standards and the 6.0 was not ready to go yet.  Not sure if that is true or not.

To be honest I have never heard of a 7.3 fail, I know they have somewhere, but never met or spoken to anyone who has lost one. Now my buddy, who is also a member of this board, has a 2004 Cummins with 150,000 miles.  The engine blew a couple weeks ago. The truck has already been through at least one tranny and a complete front end. Maybe I should send him your way to pick up another engine. 

[skip68]

Stu, the reason so many Ford 7.3's are selling is because they run the hell out of those motors.       Those are the motors everybody wants.       The Cummins is a great motor as well but the trucks IMO are'nt built good.  Ford just builds a better truck and has for years.   

[xpbprox]

I know the 6.0 gets a bad wrap. You are correct ford had to adjust fr the new emission laws. 6.0 had to have things such as EGR systems (downfall of the 6.0). The 6.0 was originally in international medium duty trucks and was a workhorse but when ford got ahold of it, they ramped up the power. This caused the truck to run at hotter temps. They really didn't test it like they should have. It was rushed into production. With 4k you can bulletproof it maybe less if you do the work yourself. It requires meticulous maintenance, you basically have to know the ins and outs of the whole engine. I have 90k on my 6.0 and it's only left me stranded once and that was in my diveway due to a computer issue.

[moparstuart]

Stu, the reason so many Ford 7.3's are selling is because they run the hell out of those motors.       Those are the motors everybody wants.       The Cummins is a great motor as well but the trucks IMO are'nt built good.  Ford just builds a better truck and has for years.   

not here all my tow guys and core haulers only use the cummins 
  they are rock solid  and 7.3 fail alot more often 
   GM had the best trannys with the allisons but the duramax motors are the worst !!!!!

[xpbprox]

Since the 4r100 ford has been king with the trannys. Though the transmission has the Allison name it is not the same quality. GM had to skimp on the tranny because it would have been way to expensive for them to put a quality Allison in there. Allison's are good for a stock 6.6 but anything over that, they are gone.

6r140 is the absolute thoughest tranny out there! Good for up too 1,400 ft lb trq
The 1000 is about half that

[mauve66]

i appreciate all the input, hope nobody comes to blows over their opinions though, this trk will be my personal use but down the road i will want it to haul the car to the paint shop etc.

I just happened to see this 95 dodge reg cab with the cummins and thought i would ask, i might still end up with a 318/360 but would definitely go with the larger cab on the gas engine, i had a 95?? reg cab, short bed 4X4 and when towing the car on a trailer it got pushed at every stop light so i would want a little more trk up front than alot of trailer/car in the back

[xpbprox]

Have you already test drivin the diesel?

[mauve66]

hoping to go see it this weekend

95, reg cab, lifted, long bed, stick, 200K miles, wants $2850

[xpbprox]

Yeah too bad you can't get a larger cab, don't give up the search. The diesel is well worth it! You'll have better everything in the diesel.

[mauve66]

you've got to be kidding me, i thought this only happened on craigslist

this is the email replies i got trying to set up an appointment to see it.......
i told "her" i had friends in Indy and no responce yet............

again,

   Thank you for taking your time to reply, I appreciate. Yes, it is 4x4. I have told you about the issue with my phone but as soon as I will receive my new one I will call you. My main reason is that I need some money to start a new life alongside my daughter. First you have to know that the truck is 100% working and looking AMAZING, no flaws or dents, no scratches or any kind of damage, no flood or wrecked and it has a full US compliance, no engine problems, the interior looks great. Here is the VIN#: 1B7KF26C0SS372501. I had listed the truck in various locations with in Cars but the truck is located in Indianapolis, IN. I have moved here with my baby after the divorce because I had a great opportunity to work here and I took it. I want to tell you that we will use Google Checkout in this transaction in order for both of us to be 100% protected and insured by them. Google Checkout will supervise this transaction so there won`t be any problems. They will take care of the shipping and all the small details. You will get the truck and you will have 7 days of inspection in which you can decide if you buy the truck or not. If you won`t like my truck (not your case) you notify Google Checkout and you send the truck back on my cost, if you want to keep it you announce Google Checkout to send me the money (payment method and all the details will be set up by Google Checkout) and you keep the truck. Google Checkout will send you an invoice at your email in which you will see how to start the this transaction and in which you can see that this transaction is legit. Please get back to me with your full name and full address so I can forward your details to Google Checkout in order for you to receive the invoice.


    HERE ARE MORE PICS: http://imageshack.us/g/840/picture2ec.jpg/
Best regards,
Sarah Council

On Fri, Jan 27, 2012 at 7:45 PM, <mauve66@cox.net> wrote:

    what side of town?? will you be available this weekend to see it??  thanks
    ---- Sarah Council <sarahcouncil7@gmail.com> wrote:
    >            Hey there,
    >
    >            I'm sorry for the delay, I have been very busy working lately
    > and I did not checked my e-mail address but the truck is still for sale.
    > Thanks for being interested in buying my *1995 Dodge Ram 2500 Laramie SLT*.
    > It is in a good condition, no scratches, no damages, never been implicated
    > in any accidents, no problems at the engine, runs very smooth. It has an *TURBO
    > CHARGED 5.9L I6 MPI 12-VALVE CUMMINS TURBO DIESEL* engine,* 218,615* miles,
    > clear title in my name, a perfect truck. My final price is *$2,570* non
    > negotiable. The reason why I am selling it, it is because I just got
    > divorced with my husband and after the divorce I own this truck, now as a
    > woman I don`t need it. If you wish I can provide VIN# to check on your own.
    > If you want more pictures, ask. Just let me know if you are still
    > interested.
    >
    > Thank you very much and waiting to hear from you,
    > Sarah Council
    >
    >     I would have preferred as well to talk over the phone because it is
    > quicker but I have a 2 years old baby and she is playing with everything
    > that gets to her hands and few days ago she took my cell and played with it
    > until she slipped it on the floor and the phone did not resisted and broke.
    > I have ordered a new one and i am waiting for it to come.As soon as I will
    > get it I will call you immediately

[xpbprox]

Scam!

But DAMN that is a nice truck

[ACUDANUT]

SCAM. 

[skip68]

IF THERE'S NO PHONE NUMBER THEN THERE'S NO DEAL.   I REFUSE TO RESPOND TO EMAIL'S OR TEXT.    SHOP LOCAL WITH AN ACTUAL PHONE NUMBER.    Any deal that does'nt have a phone number is not worth the time thinking about it.  Hope you get a extra cab at least.     I've owned one regular cab in my life and will never own one again.       Never enough room for anything and pretty much uselesss for a truck.   Good luck with the hunt and remember there are always deals out there.    

Well, for a single guy that has no friends and doesn't mind limited legroom, I guess a regular cab is OK.   

[mauve66]

IF THERE'S NO PHONE NUMBER THEN THERE'S NO DEAL.   I REFUSE TO RESPOND TO EMAIL'S OR TEXT.    SHOP LOCAL WITH AN ACTUAL PHONE NUMBER.    Any deal that does'nt have a phone number is not worth the time thinking about it.  Hope you get a extra cab at least.     I've owned one regular cab in my life and will never own one again.       Never enough room for anything and pretty much uselesss for a truck.   Good luck with the hunt and remember there are always deals out there.    

Well, for a single guy that has no friends and doesn't mind limited legroom, I guess a regular cab is OK.   

it was SUPPOSED to be local, supposedly in henderson...................... of course...................................that part is a local joke only skip will get

[Scaregrabber]

If you are not going to work the truck quite regularly I would buy a gasser. If you are doing a lot of short trips around town unloaded 95% of the time a gasser makes more sense. A diesel is better when you run it for at least an hour at a time so it is up to operating temperature most of the time and they like to be pulling a load.

Sheldon

[skip68]

Gotcha.   

[472 R/T SE]

After looking at those pix I would have been interested for $2800. too.

Actually I wouldn't have even wasted my time to read the ad.