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Got my new headers from TTI (pics)...

Started by Surf Charger, January 20, 2012, 04:41:05 PM

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moparstuart

Quote from: Musicman on January 31, 2012, 05:15:19 PM
Quote from: firefighter3931 on January 31, 2012, 01:04:25 AM
Mike,

The only thing saving your plug boots with the header tube that close to the plug is your ceramic coating.  :2thumbs:


I don't know Ron, I've been running the Spiro's on the 383 for several years now with no damage  :shruggy:
Granted, I've melted more then a few standard boots in the past, Autolites etc... but I've had pretty good luck with the Taylor's so far.
Just lucky I guess...


I got tire of fried boots and paying for new plug wires once a year , so i got socks problem solved , on my 15 year old super comps  ,  this picture is before i put the socks on
GO SELL CRAZY SOMEWHERE ELSE WE ARE ALL STOCKED UP HERE

firefighter3931

Quote from: greenpigs on January 31, 2012, 01:21:14 AM
What about using the high temp wrap or at least a sock over the wire?

I got some socks but they are cheap and would burn up...Accel only rated to 1100 Deg if I remember right.



A sock will help but if the sock is making contact with the header tube it will also burn eventually. Firecore has a nice sock available if you're still looking. Rick uses them for the pro-stock guys and they seem to be holding up well  :2thumbs:


Ron
68 Charger R/T "Black Pig" Street/Strip bruiser, 70 Charger R/T 440-6bbl Cruiser. Firecore ignition  authorized dealer ; contact me with your needs

couponmamma

This one looks cool... Tell us their efficiency . .

bill440rt

"Strive for perfection in everything. Take the best that exists and make it better. If it doesn't exist, create it. Accept nothing nearly right or good enough." Sir Henry Rolls Royce

TK73

Quote from: moparstuart on February 01, 2012, 11:19:37 AM
Quote from: Musicman on January 31, 2012, 05:15:19 PM
Quote from: firefighter3931 on January 31, 2012, 01:04:25 AM
Mike,

The only thing saving your plug boots with the header tube that close to the plug is your ceramic coating.  :2thumbs:


I don't know Ron, I've been running the Spiro's on the 383 for several years now with no damage  :shruggy:
Granted, I've melted more then a few standard boots in the past, Autolites etc... but I've had pretty good luck with the Taylor's so far.
Just lucky I guess...


I got tire of fried boots and paying for new plug wires once a year , so i got socks problem solved , on my 15 year old super comps  ,  this picture is before i put the socks on

Crap, just put Comps on a 440, should I get something to cover?

The car is $50-ing me to poverty...
1973 Charger : 440cid - 727 - 8.75/3.55


Now watch what you say or they'll be calling you a radical,
      a liberal, oh fanatical, criminal.
Won't you sign up your name, we'd like to feel you're
      acceptable, respectable, oh presentable, a vegetable!

dodgedarren




i went with TTI because they condensate for the angle of the spark plugs on the Edelbrock 440 heads Heads. They are not cheap but the fit the first time and bolt up nice the the TTI exhaust .

dodgedarren

Also in no way with the impressions for spark plug boot clearance can affect performance.

model maker

From the angle in the photo, the tube looked like it bashed in and all the way closed almost.
MODEL MAKER

Bobs69

Quote from: Back N Black on January 26, 2012, 08:09:14 PM
I have TTI but no ding like that.

Are your tubes the same diameters as the threads originator?

C928BRAN

i bought a set of headman headers. no clearance issues at all, starter would be a little difficult to get out, but fit perfect, and no dents for the plug wires, and they have the ball socket collectors, which means no gaskets to blow, and i only paid 170 dollars. very good set of headers. :drive:

Surf Charger

Quote from: C928BRAN on February 02, 2012, 08:57:01 PM
i bought a set of headman headers. no clearance issues at all, starter would be a little difficult to get out, but fit perfect, and no dents for the plug wires, and they have the ball socket collectors, which means no gaskets to blow, and i only paid 170 dollars. very good set of headers. :drive:

Can you provide a link to the $170 headers? I may just go ahead and buy a set. If they work, I'll ship the TTIs back and get my money back.

rt green

surf charger. come on man. you got a great set of headers. dimple here, a dimple there,what the hell?  my question here is what do you want? its not going to efect performance. you got the best set of headers in the buisness and you are going to send them back? what is this car? a show car? street and strip? drag? my point is this set of headers is the indrusty's best. you can't even see the dam things anyway when the hood is open.  street and strip is what works to beat the next guy off the stoplight- right? who cares wtf it looks like. this thread is 4 padges long about the best headers there is, and you got em, and now you are going to send them back. i guess my thirty years of being a mechanic for a living was all for not. 
third string oil changer

rt green

look kid, i just had two of the best chilly dogs i've had in a long time. sorry about the rant.  bolt em on. you won't be disapointed. these guys have alot more r&d that the average joe will ever have. 
third string oil changer

Bobs69

Quote from: C928BRAN on February 02, 2012, 08:57:01 PM
i bought a set of headman headers. no clearance issues at all, starter would be a little difficult to get out, but fit perfect, and no dents for the plug wires, and they have the ball socket collectors, which means no gaskets to blow, and i only paid 170 dollars. very good set of headers. :drive:

Ball socket collectors?   I'll have to google that.


I don't want to sound like I'm critizing but why the hell wouldn't TTI or any high end header maker weld everything solid?  The area I'm think of is where the tube meets the flange that attaches to the head.

Maybe it isn't necessary, but it would make it look better.  Know what I mean?  It's like yeah we can get by with this so we do?  Or if you don't need it cause it's taken care of on the inside that don't put anything one it!  

Bobs69

When I called TTI earlier this year, I was serioulsy thinking of buying them, I found out that they only build for Dodge.  Dodge is what they like and know apparently. 

I never did buy them for several reasons, the underhood of my car would benifit from alot of other things before I would risk scratching up a set of those babies.

Budnicks

Quote from: Bobs69 on February 02, 2012, 10:39:21 PM
Quote from: C928BRAN on February 02, 2012, 08:57:01 PM
i bought a set of headman headers. no clearance issues at all, starter would be a little difficult to get out, but fit perfect, and no dents for the plug wires, and they have the ball socket collectors, which means no gaskets to blow, and i only paid 170 dollars. very good set of headers. :drive:

Ball socket collectors?   I'll have to google that.


I don't want to sound like I'm critizing but why the hell wouldn't TTI or any high end header maker weld everything solid?  The area I'm think of is where the tube meets the flange that attaches to the head.

Maybe it isn't necessary, but it would make it look better.  Know what I mean?  It's like yeah we can get by with this so we do?  Or if you don't need it cause it's taken care of on the inside that don't put anything one it!  
The TTI's are fully welded on the mating surface side, the other side is just tacks it looks like, Then they are blanch ground flat for a better sealing surface...
"fill your library before you fill your garage"   Budnicks

greenpigs

Quote from: Surf Charger on February 02, 2012, 09:43:13 PM
Quote from: C928BRAN on February 02, 2012, 08:57:01 PM
i bought a set of headman headers. no clearance issues at all, starter would be a little difficult to get out, but fit perfect, and no dents for the plug wires, and they have the ball socket collectors, which means no gaskets to blow, and i only paid 170 dollars. very good set of headers. :drive:

Can you provide a link to the $170 headers? I may just go ahead and buy a set. If they work, I'll ship the TTIs back and get my money back.

Click on the link I posted on the first page...it is the same header.
1969 Charger RT


Living Chevy free

472 R/T SE

I've also been told the flange is way thicker than the competitors'.   :shruggy:

How 'bout this?  How many tti owners have ever had exhaust leaks?


Anybody that wants to buy tti in the future.  Look up John Cambridge.  He's a regular joe like us who has a little side business.  Last I heard he worked in Parts @ Baxter Dodge.  Give him a call next time.  1-402-493-7800


Found this on 'parts:

"Baxter Chrysler Dodge Jeep
11910 West Dodge Road
Omaha, NE 68154
800-642-1524

parts@perfomanceauto.com

Parts manager John Cambridge knows his Mopar Musclecars so give the guy a call if you need some factory parts as well as anything from the AR Engineering line.


Baxter built a new dealership and moved a while ago so not sure if that # is still good. "

bill440rt

Quote from: 472 R/T SE on February 02, 2012, 11:34:25 PM
I've also been told the flange is way thicker than the competitors'.   :shruggy:

How 'bout this?  How many tti owners have ever had exhaust leaks?



Mine did. But, the gaskets they give you are very thin. I had to take out the driver's header anyway to swap out the steering box. Put it back together with a set of Remflex gaskets, including the collector. No leaks!

I agree, though. The TTI's are the cat's a$$ of headers. The dimples on mine were very small, for plug clearance only. The engine makes gobs of power.
The only ones I've heard that even come close are Doug's, but even those are creeping up in price similar to TTI's.

"Strive for perfection in everything. Take the best that exists and make it better. If it doesn't exist, create it. Accept nothing nearly right or good enough." Sir Henry Rolls Royce

Surf Charger

Quote from: rt green on February 02, 2012, 10:03:53 PM
surf charger. come on man. you got a great set of headers. dimple here, a dimple there,what the hell?  my question here is what do you want? its not going to efect performance. you got the best set of headers in the buisness and you are going to send them back? what is this car? a show car? street and strip? drag? my point is this set of headers is the indrusty's best. you can't even see the dam things anyway when the hood is open.  street and strip is what works to beat the next guy off the stoplight- right? who cares wtf it looks like. this thread is 4 padges long about the best headers there is, and you got em, and now you are going to send them back. i guess my thirty years of being a mechanic for a living was all for not. 

No problem. I guess after everyone said TTI...others came out of the woodwork saying nay to TTI. This is a driver...not a show car. I bought them mainly due to quality/build. My only reason for considering sending them back was the money. $950 is a lot of money if a $170 set of headers can provide the same performance. I really don't care how they look since this will be a driver...not a show car. Regardless I got tired of going back and fourth and decided to keep the TTIs. Almost done with the installation.

Didn't mean to cause a 4 page thread of whining. However there has been some great feedback both ways and I appreciate everyone's opinion/thoughts.  :icon_smile_big:

mopar2

 

Didn't mean to cause a 4 page thread of whining. However there has been some great feedback both ways and I appreciate everyone's opinion/thoughts.  :icon_smile_big:
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I didn't see 4 pages of whining, I found all but one, very intresting. And the one said it was because of some "chilly dogs ." and " sorry about the rant." so it was all good also. LOL  :yesnod: :2thumbs:

Musicman

Quote from: 472 R/T SE on February 02, 2012, 11:34:25 PM
I've also been told the flange is way thicker than the competitors'.   :shruggy:

Hedman's use a 3/8" flange just like TTI

Hedman uses 14 Gauge steel for their tubes... TTI uses thinner 16 Gauge steel for their tubes

Hedman uses the superior Ball & Socket connections... TTI uses flat flange gaskets

Hedman Guarantee's their product to be free of defects in material and workmanship for the life of the product , they also guarantee the fit of their product... TTI Warranties their product to be free of defects in material and workmanship for 90 days.

I chose the Hedman 78038's for a reason... They are built better than TTI's, they come with a better guarantee than TTI's, they don't come with predented restrictions at the exhaust ports like TTI's,  and they cost less than half the money of the TTI's.


Surf Charger

Quote from: Musicman on February 03, 2012, 11:32:57 AM
Quote from: 472 R/T SE on February 02, 2012, 11:34:25 PM
I've also been told the flange is way thicker than the competitors'.   :shruggy:

Hedman uses 14 Gauge steel for their tubes... TTI uses thinner 16 Gauge steel for their tubes


Which set of Hedman's uses 14 gauge steel? Every set I find (standard or elite ultra-duty) is thinner than TTI using 18 gauge steel?

Head flange thickness is also 1/4" rather than 3/8". Hedman's main site doesn't seem to provide specs...only dealers sites...but they all seem to be consistent showing 18 gauge wall thickness and 1/4 flange thickness. There are also multiple forums where people mention Hedman's having 1/4" flanges (see below).

Example1: http://www.autopartswarehouse.com/search/?Ntt=Hedman+Headers

Example2: Quote from truck forum: "Get the patriot headers off this site. I think they have 3/8" flanges instead of the weak 1/4" (hedmans), so they won't warp."

http://www.s10v8.com/showthread.php?p=49613

Back N Black


Musicman