Charger vs Integra R help w/ edge ?

[69bananabeast]

all right couple years back in highschool this one guy I new had this crappy ol Integra , think it had to be an older model like a 94 or something . He came up to me and wanted to race. It was rainy that day so it was a no go. a few days later I talked to him about it and he said " I want to keep my dignity" . So of course it never happened. a few years later  I get back in touch with him and every ones is still talking crap.  He says he wants to race some time when he gets his Type R motor and a t3 t4 turbo.  "See who is # 1 " . To me im not too concerned , but I want to learn the most so I can blow this guy out of the water for good.

As far as I know  the Type R motor has 195 Horse and like 138 Torq. Now this turbo I know really nothing about . Heard it has like 20 lb boost . and t3 and t4 are seperate models but this one is best of both. t3 spools up faster, but i dont know about t4 . Integra is said to weigh 2600lbs and run a 1/4 of 14.9   wihtout the turbo.  Any one got any ideas for greater advantage?

Previously in highschool had a 318 about 245 horse . now im about to drop in a 446  w/ exhaust cutouts  to run open headers. With out the cutouts my motor should be Chimming in about 500 horse.  I believe I should be running somewhere around a low 12 without cutouts

[Silver R/T]

you should be able to take him with 446 and bolt ons

[Dave68RT]

slap a wet kit on it. 

[FastbackJon]

Stick a potato in his exhaust pipe.

[69bananabeast]

sorry guys no wet kit.    Strong belief on all Motor

[89MOPAR]

 T3/T4 can run 2 psi or 22 psi, depends on method of boost control, intake flow #'s, pressure drop through intercooler, exhaust, etc.

T3/T4 refers to a certain compressor/turbine combination.
I ran one on a conquest and it would boost past 20 psi. that car was good for 300+ horsepower though the way it and it's accesories were built.

Hipefully he doesn't have the smarts to lower his compression ratio, then he'll cause the motor to run lean , and , Boom !!.

[69bananabeast]

sounds like i'd have little to worry about . No he's not that smart . I dont even know if he knows the basics of mechanic work . sounds like a bit much for him to get a motor swap unless he farms out the work. Even so hes already got a kid a couple years after highschool so I dont really see him getting all that together anytime soon. Either way i'd like to blow the body kit off his car once and for all.

[MoparYoungGun]

With a 446 you'll blow him out of the water! Good luck to you !

[69bananabeast]

I think he'll probably crap his pants when i open up the headers if he  hadn't already when he sees the Street scoop sticking out from under the hood. 

[Silver R/T]

you cant turbo v-tec engines due to their high compression and non-vtec is preferred for turbo, thats why you dont see many honduhs turboes as most of them are v-tecs and teens cant afford special kit to run turbo on vtec or afford non-vtec swap and then turbo it

[69bananabeast]

I dunno back in the day he was stealing car stereo's for money. Who knows what he's doing know to support him and his kid.

[RT DAVE]

You're planning on racing at the track, right?

[CFMopar]

Ok i think i got this covered. My friend has an integra with the same set up that guy is talking bout. My friend puts 296 hp to the wheels when car is maxed ou thats alot for a 2800 lb car or whatever. hes looking for a mid to low 13's probley. He dosnt run 296 hp though because its border line max for his engine and he dosnt want it to blow

As for a 440 with cut outs. Its not going to churn out 500 hp hate to break it to you. Your probley going to need a cam intake and head work.  500 hp can be attained pretty easily but From my experience alot of people belive they are driving 500 hp cars when they're not.

If you want to beat him open you wallet and listen to some of the more knowledgable people here. 

speed = money how fast do you want to go 

[CFMopar]

Oh and use the track. You probley wont listen but i've had my close calls and you learn fast.

[Wakko]

Don't be cocky, he might wax you.   Open headers is not an end all, bro...you sacrifice torque if there's not enough resistance.   Those Integras with a turbo kit are no joke, either.   He's probably good for low 13's on that sucker, more if he's spraying or knows how to set the car up right.   You on the other hand have traction issues (another really good reason to grudge at the track) and quite possibly not the 500 horses you think you have.   What's your exact buildup?   Big American cubes (while they're cooler) are not always faster than imported CCs.  I back Thread Marshal on this one.

[Runner]

i dont want to seem like a band wagon type of guy, but whats been done to your engine, and car?.     what converter and rear gears?.     

    just trying to figure out how well your car will run.        there is a honda at our track that runs low 7 in the 1/8th mile........   when it can make a pass     lol.   it brakes ALOT of trans axles

[Silver R/T]

300whp with 2500lb car would put it into mid 12's with good driver.

[RD]

you can have 500 hp all you want, but if you run 2.76 gears, stock springs, no suregrip, and a stock stall, you are going to have your lunch handed to you.

what is your complete setup.

[69bananabeast]

Of Course it will be at the track . Im not gonna risk all the work Ive put into her and get her taken away.
And yes I have Dropped big $$$$ for all of this , got about 8k in engine and prepping car.


Rear end : 8 3/4   3.73 Posi
Trans: Auto  Tci 727   Max 600 hp
Shifter:  Hurts   Pro 
Engine:  446 '75
Pistons: 10.5: 1  Forged alum  Speed-Pro
Cam: MP  528 lift / duration 284?  Mechanical
Head:  Indy Heads  dont remember which  , dont think its SR version.  78cc
Porting: match ports on heads
Intake: MP  M1
Carb: 870 Holley Avenger
Stall:  Hughes 2500
Springs: Im not sure if they're stock or not 7 leafs and I just got them resprung 3 ''
Exhaust:  Flowmaster 40's  will be running X-pipe soon  , and electric cutouts


If I forgot anything help me out guys

[Runner]

as long as he isnt throwing big bucks at his combo you should school him.

[morepower]

with that combo you should be able to take him..a lot of ricer guys dont really know what they are doing..if ur in nor cal and he beats you..wheni drop the 496 ill run him!

[CFMopar]

ya your combo looks pretty solid. Im in the same boat with my friend  I know he dosnt run 296 hp cause thats the max his engine can take and it aint safe but he still probley putting 250-260 to the wheels which is alot for a 2800 lb car. Im getting a credit limit so I can buy heads

[69bananabeast]

What all  do you think this combo will make ?  I got a combo for 490 HP from Chryco , though i tried stick close to as could I wondered a bit.

[Badbob]

Build something you can drive, enjoy and afford and forget about trying to impress the jap car crowd. They don't get it and going broke on your setup will never convince him that classic, American built muscle cars are much cooler that japanese, chromeless, 4 cylinder, disposable econoboxes. Besides, you may go broke and still get beat.

For me 300 rear wheel HP = 12.73 in the qtr with a good chassis setup.

[gsmopar]

If you're going to grudge race people I'd lose the aversion to power adders.  Who knows what the Honduah is running, but your combination could handle a 175 shot easy.  Then you wouldn't have to really worry about it... would you? 

Most people that I've met who had the "all throttle no bottle" complex have never riden in a nitrous car.  Give it a shot!  You'll be grinning ear to ear!!!!

Later,

Greg
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