Air cleaner pie tin IDs. What does it all mean?

[bull]

I didn't know all this so I thought I'd look it up and figure out what the following air cleaner IDs mean. FYI (and feel free to correct anything you see fit). How many others did I miss?

Commando - In general, Plymouth cars used this on Barracuda and non-performance models

Super Commando - Used on Plymouth performance models except the Road Runner which used "383 Road Runner".

Magnum - Used on Dodge performance models. Red coloring was used up through late 1968 (some early 1969 models?) and orange coloring was used for most 1969 models and later.

Four Barrel - Dodge used this on Dart and non-performance models.

TNT - Chrysler and Imperial also used pie tins. For Chrysler, they came on the 440 TNT engines as there were two performance levels for the 440 in the full size cars. Imperials used a silver and black tin with "Imperial" lettering on them. Furys, Polaras and Monacos may have used pie tins with the 440 HP motors.

[bull]

I got the info here, BTW: http://www.nicksgarage.com/aircleaner.htm#pietins

[miller]

Did the cuda' use commado or super commando? Also what four barrel engines were not performance engines?

[bull]

Good question. With Dodge there were cars considered non-performance models such as Dart, Monaco, Duster, etc. I would think they would use that "Four Barrel" tin to set those apart from the others in a non-R/T, non-performance model package with the performance option of a 4 bbl.

No idea on the 'cuda but based on the info above I would think the Barracudas would have Commando while the 'cudas would have Super Commando. There's also a question in my mind as to what determined that you got a pie tin at all. Was it an order option?

What's kind of strange is that you could get a non-performance model Dart with a V8 and a 4 bbl and a performance model Charger with a slant six.

[Ghoste]

Pie tins weren't ordered separately, they appeared with the engine they were designating.  383 road runner engine was a tin that stood apart from the rest. 

[bull]

So what pie tin would a Charger with a 383 4bbl get? The Charger is a performance model so would it get a 383 Magnum tin?

[bill440rt]

Yes. 383-4 bbl should have a 383 Magnum pie tin. 2-bbl engines, I don't think so.

BTW, we used to have a 383-4 bbl 4-spd 'Cuda, it had the Super Commando pie tin.

[69CoronetRT]

So what pie tin would a Charger with a 383 4bbl get? The Charger is a performance model so would it get a 383 Magnum tin?

Chargers get a little goofy. It depends on the year and application.

68- No HP (335 horse) engines in Chargers so no Magnum pie tins
69 - Four speed non A/C cars got the HP engine therefore the Magnum pie tin. Automatics and A/C cars got the 330 horse so no magnums.
70 - I get a little fuzzy on this year as to which cars got the 335 horse HP assembly and which ones didn't.

The Charger was not originally designed to be 'a performance model'. It was designed to be an upscale personal luxury car to compete against the Thunderbird, Toronado, Marlin, Cougar, and Rivera. Later it was positioned against the Monte Carlo, Torino, LeMans and Montego. The Dodge 'sporty' performance car was supposed to be the Coronet 500, Coronet R/T and Super Bee.

[Ghoste]

In other words, Dodge had no more idea back then what the Charger meant to the enthusiasts than they do today.

[69CoronetRT]

Good question. With Dodge there were cars considered non-performance models such as Dart, Monaco, Duster, etc. What's kind of strange is that you could get a non-performance model Dart with a V8 and a 4 bbl and a performance model Charger with a slant six.

Still on the look out for one of them there "Dodge Dusters"......Didn't Al Bundy have one?

The 273, 340-4bbl and 360-4bbl Dart was a most definately a 'performance' model. GTs, GTS, Swingers and 340/360 Darts. Dart performance models were available long before Charger performance models.

[bill440rt]

So what pie tin would a Charger with a 383 4bbl get? The Charger is a performance model so would it get a 383 Magnum tin?

Chargers get a little goofy. It depends on the year and application.

68- No HP (335 horse) engines in Chargers so no Magnum pie tins
69 - Four speed non A/C cars got the HP engine therefore the Magnum pie tin. Automatics and A/C cars got the 330 horse so no magnums.
70 - I get a little fuzzy on this year as to which cars got the 335 horse HP assembly and which ones didn't.

The Charger was not originally designed to be 'a performance model'. It was designed to be an upscale personal luxury car to compete against the Thunderbird, Toronado, Marlin, Cougar, and Rivera. Later it was positioned against the Monte Carlo, Torino, LeMans and Montego. The Dodge 'sporty' performance car was supposed to be the Coronet 500, Coronet R/T and Super Bee.

Right!
A '68 383 just had a plain, wrinkle dual-snorkel air cleaner. 
440's had the unsilenced air cleaner with a red 440 Magnum tin.

In '70, 383 HP's were optional on Charger 500's and base model Chargers, N/A on R/T's. The SE was considered an accessory group package so essentially you could have a 383 HP in an SE.

[69CoronetRT]

In other words, Dodge had no more idea back then what the Charger meant to the enthusiasts than they do today.

After 66-67 I think they did.

First gens were not that good of a seller. Remember the high point of Charger production was '73 when it finally became what Dodge wanted it to be in the first place...an upscale personal luxury car. There were, what, ~62,000 Charger SE's alone that year and another ~37,400 SEs in 74 in the middle of a gas crisis and inflation. They sold very well. The 75-77 versions followed the same line of thinking with 40K plus units each year almost matching sales in 70. Third and fourth gen Chargers did well for Dodge.

[bull]

Good question. With Dodge there were cars considered non-performance models such as Dart, Monaco, Duster, etc. What's kind of strange is that you could get a non-performance model Dart with a V8 and a 4 bbl and a performance model Charger with a slant six.

Still on the look out for one of them there "Dodge Dusters"......Didn't Al Bundy have one?

Yes, that's the 1 of 1 Dodge Duster I was talking about.

[bull]

So what pie tin would a Charger with a 383 4bbl get? The Charger is a performance model so would it get a 383 Magnum tin?

Chargers get a little goofy. It depends on the year and application.

68- No HP (335 horse) engines in Chargers so no Magnum pie tins
69 - Four speed non A/C cars got the HP engine therefore the Magnum pie tin. Automatics and A/C cars got the 330 horse so no magnums.
70 - I get a little fuzzy on this year as to which cars got the 335 horse HP assembly and which ones didn't.

The Charger was not originally designed to be 'a performance model'. It was designed to be an upscale personal luxury car to compete against the Thunderbird, Toronado, Marlin, Cougar, and Rivera. Later it was positioned against the Monte Carlo, Torino, LeMans and Montego. The Dodge 'sporty' performance car was supposed to be the Coronet 500, Coronet R/T and Super Bee.

Right!
A '68 383 just had a plain, wrinkle dual-snorkel air cleaner. 
440's had the unsilenced air cleaner with a red 440 Magnum tin.

In '70, 383 HP's were optional on Charger 500's and base model Chargers, N/A on R/T's. The SE was considered an accessory group package so essentially you could have a 383 HP in an SE.

I believe (although I'm not positive) some of the early 68 Chargers had the 67-style air cleaner. The non-wrinkle dual round snorkle. Like this (only not Chrysler):