Curious what it would take for an 11.50 quarter in a Charger

[MoparMotel]

I was reading about the Dick Landy hemi charger and read that it ran a consistent 11.55 in the quarter. I would be curious to see with new technology how hard it would be to get a 68-70 charger to run an 11.55 with todays parts and tuning.

Does anyone have a Charger on the board here that runs around an 11.50? What is done to your setup?

[Ghoste]

There are more than a few.  There is a thread somewhere I believe with recorded results.

[Challenger340]

Ain't hard at all, do it all the time....
IMO,
alotta guys don't understand just HOW FAST mid 11's is these days, in a STREET CAR, in a World where it seems everybody turns 10's ? or so they say anyways.....

pump gas 440, (non stroker)
Eddy heads/mild Porting/Valve Grind
10.5: 1 Compression
SOLID Flat Tappet Cam....(Comp xs282s is the default 550 hp Cam for me)
Performer RPM or Single Plane Intake(Gasket match either)
850-950 Carb....
Headers

The Kicker is the CAR that makes it GO !
4.10 gears
28" Tall Slick
Honest 38-4000 stall Convertor
GOOD Fuel System
Decent Ignition System

[Cooter]

Ain't hard at all, do it all the time....
IMO,
alotta guys don't understand just HOW FAST mid 11's is these days, in a STREET CAR, in a World where it seems everybody turns 10's ? or so they say anyways.....

Damn Challenger340, your battin' 2 for 2! AGREED. Anything STREET LEGAL (Definitions vary, but IMO, has to be full dress and driven without overheating problems, and not have $100K in it), that runs 11's is Damn quick. Sure, now, if your not in the high 8's, you ain't nothing. Making power the old skool way, it takes A sh*tload of knowledge/tricks to get an iron headed 440 Cube motor in the 11's and still drive it on 87 Octane PUMP GAS.

I did it but with 505 C.I. in a dart which weighs a bit less. The tech should be bout the same though.
1968 Dodge Dart sedan.
1 440 stock block
1 4.250 crank
set of Eagle rods
set of Custom Forged pistons (Built this thing in 1997. At the time it was "New" and no "Kits" were out that I knew of. Used a Hughes second hand crank)
Set of Highly ported "915" heads, with 2.08 1.88 Valves(Think Max Wedge)
"Team G" Intake with 4500 Flange
.590 Lift Solid Comp camshaft. 265 @.050 single pattern.
1050 Holley
1/2" Fuel line and dedicated pump
1 250 HP "Cheater" NOS kit set on "Kill" (200 HP Shot)
3.91 Gear in stock "Truck" "741" Center
295/50/15" Hoosiers roughly 27" tall
3800 Stall Converter in otherwise Junkyard 727 NOT rebuilt
On the Spray, it went a best of 6.88 8th mile. On motor, it went best of 7.65 8th mile

Course, this engine is outdated by todays standards. Heavy parts, outdated heads, etc.

[mauve66]

Ain't hard at all, do it all the time....
IMO,
alotta guys don't understand just HOW FAST mid 11's is these days, in a STREET CAR, in a World where it seems everybody turns 10's ? or so they say anyways.....

pump gas 440, (non stroker)
Eddy heads/mild Porting/Valve Grind
10.5: 1 Compression
SOLID Flat Tappet Cam....(Comp xs282s is the default 550 hp Cam for me)
Performer RPM or Single Plane Intake(Gasket match either)
850-950 Carb....
Headers

The Kicker is the CAR that makes it GO !
4.10 gears
28" Tall Slick
Honest 38-4000 stall Convertor
GOOD Fuel System
Decent Ignition System

then they make you take it all apart to put a damn cage in it so you can come back the next time, before anyone rants, yes i know safety and all, blah blah blah, real men didn't have cages when they were breakin bornc's back in the day

[Ghoste]

You could just frame the time slip and not go back to the track.

[mauve66]

 

[BSB67]

Ain't hard at all, do it all the time....
IMO,
alotta guys don't understand just HOW FAST mid 11's is these days, in a STREET CAR, in a World where it seems everybody turns 10's ? or so they say anyways.....

pump gas 440, (non stroker)
Eddy heads/mild Porting/Valve Grind
10.5: 1 Compression
SOLID Flat Tappet Cam....(Comp xs282s is the default 550 hp Cam for me)
Performer RPM or Single Plane Intake(Gasket match either)
850-950 Carb....
Headers

The Kicker is the CAR that makes it GO !
4.10 gears
28" Tall Slick
Honest 38-4000 stall Convertor
GOOD Fuel System
Decent Ignition System

At about 3800 lbs.


Add more weight, remove slicks, taller gear, and tighter converter, you'll need to be closer to 600 hp because you'll be giving you .5 sec in 60 ft time.  So there are different was of getting there.

[BBKNARF]

Ran a 11.40 @ 122 with that mph I should run a 10.90, 1.73 60ft
Hemi leaf springs with adjustable snubber/Rancho 9000 adj. shocks
451 stroker
850 QF Carb
Eddie duel plane intake, ported
Eddie heads, ported/roller 1.5 rockers
10.6.1 compression
Comp cams mech. roller approx 248 dur. @.50
3600 stall/4:10 gear
26x10 slick
just over 3600 lbs w/driver

I installed a new 9.5" converter but did not have a chance to take it to the track.

[Challenger340]

Running 11's, in a full pop Charger, or any B-Body 36-3800-4,000 lbs,
even higher 11's depending upon the Car........
is.....
is tearing yer Fawking Head Off Quick !on the Street....and will put a smile on even the most ardent Drag Racers face....

IMO,
In Reality, there just ain't too damn much out there, you are gonna run into on the street, thats gonna be much faster......and you'll be AMAZED at how many supposedly "10 second" rides you'll squish.....even a few Bikes....

Yep, it's true...there may always be something quicker, but as far as "Street" driving, and co-efficients of friction with "street" Asphalt thats the same for everybody, it'll always be a decent run....

[BSB67]

Ran a 11.40 @ 122 with that mph I should run a 10.90, 1.73 60ft
Hemi leaf springs with adjustable snubber/Rancho 9000 adj. shocks
451 stroker
850 QF Carb
Eddie duel plane intake, ported
Eddie heads, ported/roller 1.5 rockers
10.6.1 compression
Comp cams mech. roller approx 248 dur. @.50
3600 stall/4:10 gear
26x10 slick
just over 3600 lbs w/driver

I installed a new 9.5" converter but did not have a chance to take it to the track.

I have 50 more cu.in, and 500 more lbs.  Everything else motor wise is about the same.  Mine has less suspension stuff.  11.70

[Challenger340]

Heads are where to power is made.....
The size Engine underneath, can never exceed the Flow the Heads can deliver, and sometimes, the smaller Non-Strokers have better useable rpm "range" for the gearing/tires used.
I'm NOT arguing the Higher Torque provided by Strokers....definately nicer "street" driver....
just pointing out that sometimes, with the "Eddy Heads", the smaller Non-Stroker Engines can provide more "Time" spent at better overall averages, in an "Elapsed TIME" trial like the standing 1/4 mile test ? Depending upon Tire/Gearing of course....

[BSB67]

Heads are where to power is made.....
The size Engine underneath, can never exceed the Flow the Heads can deliver, and sometimes, the smaller Non-Strokers have better useable rpm "range" for the gearing/tires used.
I'm NOT arguing the Higher Torque provided by Strokers....definately nicer "street" driver....
just pointing out that sometimes, with the "Eddy Heads", the smaller Non-Stroker Engines can provide more "Time" spent at better overall averages, in an "Elapsed TIME" trial like the standing 1/4 mile test ? Depending upon Tire/Gearing of course....

For me, its about drivability, street manners.  I really would not want a 550 hp 273 cu.in engine for my car.  I have a 120 mph 1/4 at 4150 lbs (you figure the power) and it idles with 14" vacuum at 900 rpm, and 12" in gear at 700 rpm, and drives nicely at 25 mph in third gear at 1000/1100 rpm.

[SRT-440]

Mid to low 11 sec car on the street can be a handful...but I love my GN cuz it has the street manners of a granny car...get into the boost and it's low 11's...I hardly ever get into it on the street cuz it gets pretty hairy really fast. 

The 70 RR "should" run in the 12's and has great usable power on the street...

[firefighter3931]

Weight is the Killer. The Black Pig weighed in at 4100lbs with the old 440 combo (535hp/540tq) running 4200 stall & 4.10 gears with a 29in Drag radial DOT tire. Best 1/4 Performance was 11.68@116mph crossing the line at 5700 rpm. It really needed more Gear to ET faster but then that would have made it less streetable. 

It was a Lot of FUN on the street and would boil the big tires at will. 


I've been fighting gremlins with the new 572ci ; fuel delivery & torque converter issues been kicking my AZZ 

Plans are to shift some weight around (battery in trunk) and lighten up the car : manual steering/fuel cell/possible 'Glass hood with a fresh air scoop etc.....Hoping to take ~200 lbs out of it !



Ron

[MoparMotel]

Weight is the Killer. The Black Pig weighed in at 4100lbs with the old 440 combo (535hp/540tq) running 4200 stall & 4.10 gears with a 29in Drag radial DOT tire. Best 1/4 Performance was 11.68@116mph crossing the line at 5700 rpm. It really needed more Gear to ET faster but then that would have made it less streetable. 

It was a Lot of FUN on the street and would boil the big tires at will. 


I've been fighting gremlins with the new 572ci ; fuel delivery & torque converter issues been kicking my AZZ 

Plans are to shift some weight around (battery in trunk) and lighten up the car : manual steering/fuel cell/possible 'Glass hood with a fresh air scoop etc.....Hoping to take ~200 lbs out of it !



572ci...WOW

What numbers are you hoping for out of this beast?



Ron

[greenpigs]

Plans are to shift some weight around (battery in trunk) and lighten up the car : manual steering/fuel cell/possible 'Glass hood with a fresh air scoop etc.....Hoping to take ~200 lbs out of it !

How about a glass stock style hood.....you put a scoop on & it will kill the overall look of the car IMO. I would go with light weight seats & drag only front runners as you have said you like the extra contact of the current tires.

What is the pigs best currently?

[mauve66]

Ran a 11.40 @ 122 with that mph I should run a 10.90, 1.73 60ft
Hemi leaf springs with adjustable snubber/Rancho 9000 adj. shocks
451 stroker
850 QF Carb
Eddie duel plane intake, ported
Eddie heads, ported/roller 1.5 rockers
10.6.1 compression
Comp cams mech. roller approx 248 dur. @.50
3600 stall/4:10 gear
26x10 slick
just over 3600 lbs w/driver

I installed a new 9.5" converter but did not have a chance to take it to the track.

I have 50 more cu.in, and 500 more lbs.  Everything else motor wise is about the same.  Mine has less suspension stuff.  11.70

and 500  more lbs  don't you just love all the metal trim and and screws in a 1st gen?

[BSB67]

Ran a 11.40 @ 122 with that mph I should run a 10.90, 1.73 60ft
Hemi leaf springs with adjustable snubber/Rancho 9000 adj. shocks
451 stroker
850 QF Carb
Eddie duel plane intake, ported
Eddie heads, ported/roller 1.5 rockers
10.6.1 compression
Comp cams mech. roller approx 248 dur. @.50
3600 stall/4:10 gear
26x10 slick
just over 3600 lbs w/driver

I installed a new 9.5" converter but did not have a chance to take it to the track.

I have 50 more cu.in, and 500 more lbs.  Everything else motor wise is about the same.  Mine has less suspension stuff.  11.70

and 500  more lbs   don't you just love all the metal trim and and screws in a 1st gen?

Yeah, I know.  Its probably not the best choice in trying to go fast.  It is however, an incredibly nice driving car, and certainly the weight contributes to that.

It use to weigh considerably more.  When I first got it and weighed it, it was 4340 with me.  I weigh 175.  I have systematically removed weight over the years (most notably: removed AC, alum. heads, wildwood brakes).   I have weight it 4 times on three different scales mostly to confirm the weight and weight reductions.

[Ghoste]

They are among the longest of B-bodies as well.

[greenpigs]

Not sure what Ron weighs...but I am right around 200 lbs, so if you let me drive Ron that may shave off a few .001's

[firefighter3931]

Plans are to shift some weight around (battery in trunk) and lighten up the car : manual steering/fuel cell/possible 'Glass hood with a fresh air scoop etc.....Hoping to take ~200 lbs out of it !

How about a glass stock style hood.....you put a scoop on & it will kill the overall look of the car IMO. I would go with light weight seats & drag only front runners as you have said you like the extra contact of the current tires.

What is the pigs best currently?

Ya, i'm torn about the hood but if i'm gonna go with a 'glass hood i want the added benefit of some fresh air and increased clearance. If i decide to try an Indy single plane (440-2) then i'll have the room. That ICH manifold did make an addition 20HP when we tested it on the dyno and it did carry the HP/TQ higher up in the rpm range and held it better  

So far my best has been 11.00 @ 124mph (1.55 60ft) but it's been getting slower on the 60ft since that initial best. The last time out the converter flashed to 5k (1.85 60ft) and it left like a TURD. I'm sure the converter is Fubarred and was never quite right in the first place. I was also having fuel delivery issues as well causing the engine to lay over at high rpm. It just felt flat....not like 700hp should feel. That coupled with the junk converter contributed to the mediocre performance.



Ron

[greenpigs]

  Do you plan on staying with your current brand  converter or switch to another? I know what you use now but don't want to drag the name through the mud...unless it is needed. 

   

[firefighter3931]

  Do you plan on staying with your current brand  converter or switch to another? I know what you use now but don't want to drag the name through the mud...unless it is needed. 

   

Nope....the converter is going to Lenny@ Ultimate for some repairs/adjustments. 

This is a 9in unit with anti ballooning plate and steel stator so some of it will be salvageable 



Ron

[greenpigs]

   I talked to him a few months back when I was looking into a new converter & he qouted me $700 or $750 and I about died! He was saying he just doesn't get why guys spend so much on everything else then toss in one that stalls "3K". I know what he was saying or trying to tell me & he recomended whatever I go with be a 10 inch and stall @ 3200. That was what he was going to build me but I just couldn't swing it.
  This isn't off topic as to get mid 11's that converter better be right, not close enough.

My  spend a few hundred more and get the right one by someone that BUILDS them like Lenny.