vin stampings

[charger01]

I have a 440 hp non original motor in my 69.  I know of the stamping on top of the motor , but is there somewhere on the motor with the entire vin of the car it came out of ?

[tan top]

 can you post the vin or numbers  you find  & what location !!

what are the letters / numbers stamped on the top pad ??

[charger01]

Mine is an hp 440 2 e block if I remember correctly.  Thinking late 68.  Will try to get the rest of the numbers tonite .  Thanks for ur help.

[tan top]

 

  E 440  , its a  1969  motor   HP  high performance  motor ,  the 2 is built on the second shift 
 late 68 ,   more than likley its got the the whole vin stamped  on the passanger side of the block  on a machined pad above the oil pan rail !!  yellow arrow location in picture i posted !!

[XS29L9Bxxxxxx]

Some of the other stamping of the pad have to do with oversized/undersized bearings, etc.

[Lennard]

can you post the vin or numbers  you find  & what location !!
what are the letters / numbers stamped on the top pad ??

Mine has got no numbers where the left arrow is. I will check the other place for numbers.
I bought the 440 HP2 from Craigslist about a year ago for $400.

[tan top]

can you post the vin or numbers  you find  & what location !!
what are the letters / numbers stamped on the top pad ??

Mine has got no numbers where the left arrow is. I will check the other place for numbers.
I bought the 440 HP2 from Craigslist about a year ago for $400.

whats the letter before the 440 on the top pad !! if there is no stamping where the yellow arrow is its prolly a 68 & earlier block !!  or if there is a machined pad in the location of the yellow arrow &  the pad is blank  , maybe a warrenty block or parts counter 

[Lennard]

Finally had the time to take a look at the numbers on the block. It says E440 on the top pad and 9C225852.

[John_Kunkel]

E is the year code for 1969, the partial VIN is from a '69 car built at the Jefferson (C) plant...in '69 the Jefferson plant built Chryslers and Imperials.

[Lennard]

Thank you for the explanation John.

[maxwellwedge]

Could you get a TNT 440 in any of the cars built at that plant? 

Lennard mentioned his had HP or HP2 on it.

[Budnicks]

By the oil pan rail there should be a flat pad on the side with #'s also unless it's a replacement block maybe..

[472 R/T SE]

Could you get a TNT 440 in any of the cars built at that plant? 

Lennard mentioned his had HP or HP2 on it.

That's the first thing I thought.

[69CoronetRT]

Could you get a TNT 440 in any of the cars built at that plant? 

Lennard mentioned his had HP or HP2 on it.

Yes. the TNT was optional on Newports, Newport Customs, 300 and New Yorkers.

[Tilar]

So the TNT and the HP are the same?

[maxwellwedge]

Could you get a TNT 440 in any of the cars built at that plant? 

Lennard mentioned his had HP or HP2 on it.

Yes. the TNT was optional on Newports, Newport Customs, 300 and New Yorkers.

Thanks - Wasn't sure what cars were built there.

[maxwellwedge]

So the TNT and the HP are the same?

Yes - TNT was what the HP440 was called in the Chryslers.....Like Magnum on the Dodge etc.

[Lennard]

Could you get a TNT 440 in any of the cars built at that plant? 

Lennard mentioned his had HP or HP2 on it.

Yes. the TNT was optional on Newports, Newport Customs, 300 and New Yorkers.

So the '69 HP2 440 I have did not come out of a '69 Charger but out of a Newport or 300 or New Yorker?

[69CoronetRT]

So the '69 HP2 440 I have did not come out of a '69 Charger but out of a Newport or 300 or New Yorker?

IF the vin on the side of the block is from the C plant AND the pad is stamped HP then yes.
Are you sure the VIN stamp is a C and not a G? Sometimes the stamps are light and you can miss the tail of the G. A "G" plant HP is more likely due to the larger number of Charger R/Ts, Coronet R/Ts and GTX's built at that plant compared to the number of Chryslers that came with the TNT.

You can get somewhat of a correlation between the engine assembly date on the pad and the VIN to help determine which plant the engine came from.

[Lennard]

Darn it, I thought I had found a nice block for my '69 Charger... guess I have to go for a 426 Hemi anyway then.

The top pad reads: E440  1 10  HP2
Oilpan rail reads: 9C225852   It is definitely a C and not a G.

[maxwellwedge]

It is still a good engine, year, HP etc for you. A non-matching block is a non-matching block no matter what.

[69CoronetRT]

Darn it, I thought I had found a nice block for my '69 Charger... guess I have to go for a 426 Hemi anyway then.

The top pad reads: E440  1 10  HP2
Oilpan rail reads: 9C225852   It is definitely a C and not a G.

The engine assembly date to VIN number does match better with a C plant car than a G plant car.

[Lennard]

It is still a good engine, year, HP etc for you. A non-matching block is a non-matching block no matter what.

You are right about that. 
Well, I have a few years to go before I am ready to bolt in any kind of engine so plenty of time to think about it.
Thanks for the info guys, much appreciated!

[tan top]

Darn it, I thought I had found a nice block for my '69 Charger... guess I have to go for a 426 Hemi anyway then.

The top pad reads: E440  1 10  HP2
Oilpan rail reads: 9C225852   It is definitely a C and not a G.

, i got a E series 440 in mine , came out of a 69 imperial , think the second digit is C also , will check later

yep mine C   
    9C293241

[bakerhillpins]

So if the VIN on the block isn't the complete VIN but rather starts at (say in 69) the Engine id how can you be sure that there are not 2 engines with the same #s?

I.e. the stamping is Engine/Year/Plant/Sequence

So are we guaranteed that in a given year that 2 different cars from the same plant didn't get the same sequence number?  Since plants made more than one model were they given different ranges for sequence number?

[472 R/T SE]

So if the VIN on the block isn't the complete VIN but rather starts at (say in 69) the Engine id how can you be sure that there are not 2 engines with the same #s?

I.e. the stamping is Engine/Year/Plant/Sequence

So are we guaranteed that in a given year that 2 different cars from the same plant didn't get the same sequence number?  Since plants made more than one model were they given different ranges for sequence number?

I've often wondered about that.  The only difference would be the plant designation letter.

[69CoronetRT]

So are we guaranteed that in a given year that 2 different cars from the same plant didn't get the same sequence number? Yes.


Since plants made more than one model were they given different ranges for sequence number?No. All models from one plant fell under one numbering system. Therefore there can be only one 9AXXXXXX, one 9GXXXXXX, etc

[bakerhillpins]

Since plants made more than one model were they given different ranges for sequence number?No. All models from one plant fell under one numbering system. Therefore there can be only one 9AXXXXXX, one 9GXXXXXX, etc

Sorry, I am still confused.     So you are saying that 2 different models produced from the same plant had different sequence ranges.

[maxwellwedge]

9A100001

9G100001

9H100001

All different when you factor the plant code letter in.

[John_Kunkel]

Some are thinking that each model got it's own numbering sequence but at a plant that built both Dodge and Plymouth B-bodies 9G101555 could be a Belvedere and right behind it could be a Coronet 9G101556.

[69CoronetRT]

Sorry, I am still confused.     So you are saying that 2 different models produced from the same plant had different sequence ranges.

No. One range for each plant.

(with the exception of Hamtramck build 64 and 65 Valiants and Darts but I wanted to give the most typical secenario).

[472 R/T SE]

Not that it mattered, but there was no way to keep this from happening correct.

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[69CoronetRT]

Not that it mattered, but there was no way to keep this from happening correct.

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weelll....not that particular example because LA VINs didn't go that high but yes, it was possible. It would be incredibly coincidental but theoretically possible that two of the same models from different plants could end in the same last six digits.

[bakerhillpins]

Some are thinking that each model got it's own numbering sequence but at a plant that built both Dodge and Plymouth B-bodies 9G101555 could be a Belvedere and right behind it could be a Coronet 9G101556.

Thanks! that cleared it up.     For some reason I always thought that to be the case -> that production of a specific vehicle would be sequential when you looked at the sequence #s. Not that different makes and models were intermixed.

So there is no way to tell production #s through basic subtraction of first to last. 

[69CoronetRT]

So there is no way to tell production #s through basic subtraction of first to last. 

Correct.

And just to be clear, the VIN sequence number does not mean the cars went down the line sequentially.

Assigning a VIN is an administrative function not a production function.

VINs were assigned to a block of cars before they went down the line. The actual order of production didn't matter. In fact they were mixed up by make and model to keep parts in stock. Car number 100 could have been built before car number 1.

[bakerhillpins]

VINs were assigned to a block of cars before they went down the line. The actual order of production didn't matter. In fact they were mixed up by make and model to keep parts in stock. Car number 100 could have been built before car number 1.

Its the first part where I was thinking they had a set production # and just created a (singular) sequential block for the model. Learn something new every day. 

The second part where they mixed them up based upon parts in stock makes sense from a production point of view.