ebay charger red flags

charger01 · October 25, 2011, 10:28:58 AM

How many red flags can you find on this one?

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1970-Dodge-Charger-/300614637841?pt=US_Cars_Trucks&hash=item45fe075911

moparstuart · October 25, 2011, 11:09:04 AM

XP matching numbers hemi

never opens the hood

scary car on top of that and a one owner

Cooter · October 25, 2011, 11:23:31 AM

"rare factory Gator Grain top".....I know My eyes are getting bad, but i swear I can't see it? Anybody else?

XS29L9Bxxxxxx · October 25, 2011, 12:01:16 PM

Back seat and "console" reminds me of an elephant...

FC7 V code · October 25, 2011, 12:06:56 PM

That interior is just so......wrong

tan top · October 25, 2011, 12:14:48 PM

68X426 · October 25, 2011, 12:15:46 PM

Quote from: Cooter on October 25, 2011, 11:23:31 AM
"rare factory Gator Grain top".....I know My eyes are getting bad, but i swear I can't see it? Anybody else?

There's no top on it. Ain't there.

Maybe the interior headliner is Gator.

1970Moparmann · October 25, 2011, 12:22:59 PM

Quote from: FC7 V code on October 25, 2011, 12:06:56 PM
That interior is just so......wrong

x 2

It's hideous!

Ghoste · October 25, 2011, 12:24:55 PM

Bet someone still gets sucked in though.

Nacho-RT74 · October 25, 2011, 12:29:18 PM

all small pics... LOL

whoever is the car, interesting interior JOB... not sure If I like or not, but interesting for sure. I would build similar stuff but kinda diff... LOL

xpbprox · October 25, 2011, 12:58:27 PM

Well the thing that stood out the most to me was that the seller has 0 ratings

bill440rt · October 25, 2011, 01:11:09 PM

Quote from: xpbprox on October 25, 2011, 12:58:27 PM
Well the thing that stood out the most to me was that the seller has 0 ratings

Not only that, he's been an eBay member since '05, has has neither sold nor bought anything since that time.

Vehicle location says Whiting, NJ. Sure ain't seen that thing cruisin' the streets of NJ or at any local shows/cruises around here that's for sure.

XS29L9Bxxxxxx · October 25, 2011, 01:22:03 PM

NO VIN # on dash

Also, for all the pics online, none underhood: http://www.stellarautoplex.com/web/vehicle_photos/835114

Chandler, AZ dealer:

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charger01 · October 25, 2011, 01:34:05 PM

I don't know, but if it is a numbers matching 426 hemi engine. would it really have power brakes , power steering and factory ac?

70 Charger RT · October 25, 2011, 02:06:43 PM

VIN says it's a 69 and the car has a loop bumper. Pictures remind me of a die-cast model. Hmmmmmmmmmm.

Dans 68 · October 25, 2011, 02:10:52 PM

I'm guessing the factory A/C, power brakes and steering are all from the 318 car that was the base of this build. The description mentions a factory 4-barrel carburetor and intake...I thought there were two factory 4-barrels on a Hemi.

My Godfather told me a story about a car that he had for sale, a long time ago. It was parked in front of his house, and had a for sale sign in the amount of $25. A man came by and couldn't believe it. "Only $25?" My Godfather said yes, that is what he wanted. Money changed hands, and the new owner sat down to start the car. When it wouldn't turn over, he asked my Godfather for a push down the hill so he could bump start it. When that didn't work the new owner opened the hood and found out that the engine was missing. Naturally he was a bit upset.

My Godfathers reply was "what did you expect for $25?"

Dan

ChargerSG · October 25, 2011, 02:26:43 PM

Quote from: Dans 68 on October 25, 2011, 02:10:52 PM
My Godfather told me a story about a car that he had for sale, a long time ago. It was parked in front of his house, and had a for sale sign in the amount of $25. A man came by and couldn't believe it. "Only $25?" My Godfather said yes, that is what he wanted. Money changed hands, and the new owner sat down to start the car. When it wouln't turn over, he asked my Godfather for a push down the hill so he could bump start it. When that didn't work the new owner opened the hood and found out that the engine was missing. Naturally he was a bit upset. My Godfathers reply was "what did you expect for $25?"

that was a good story

68X426 · October 25, 2011, 02:29:08 PM

There are 36,942 pictures at that website. Not one of the motor.

Maybe they can't open the hood. You know, a remote control security lock hood that they f'd up, and now can't open the hood.

Ebay shows vin as XP29G9B340. No plate on dash. Someone tell me if I'm wrong, isn't that "G" a 318 in a 70, and a 383 in a 69?

Is the car in Jersey or is it in Arizona?

The AZ ad says SEMA car. Has it ever been seen before? Anywhere?

What a wreck of an ad.

Dans 68 · October 25, 2011, 02:37:01 PM

Good question. Yep, in '69 a "G" designation meant a 383 2-bbl while in '70 it meant a 318. I wonder what year it really is? Maybe it is a chimera?

Dan

XS29L9Bxxxxxx · October 25, 2011, 02:46:58 PM

Quote from: 68X426 on October 25, 2011, 02:29:08 PM
There are 36,942 pictures at that website. Not one of the motor.

Maybe they can't open the hood. You know, a remote control security lock hood that they f'd up, and now can't open the hood.

Ebay shows vin as XP29G9B340. No plate on dash. Someone tell me if I'm wrong, isn't that "G" a 318 in a 70, and a 383 in a 69?

Is the car in Jersey or is it in Arizona?

The AZ ad says SEMA car. Has it ever been seen before? Anywhere?

What a wreck of an ad.

Funny thing is, the car was easy to find w/ a quick Google search...

Re: a "SEMA" show car, it's actually VERY easy to get a car placed at SEMA

Not adding as a selling point for me...

Tilar · October 25, 2011, 03:58:38 PM

What in the sam hell is this?

XS29L9Bxxxxxx · October 25, 2011, 04:37:59 PM

Quote from: Tilar on October 25, 2011, 03:58:38 PM
What in the sam hell is this?

...see elephant comment above

Darkman · October 25, 2011, 05:39:11 PM

I'm all for modified Chargers.

I was also raised to believe that if you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all....so my mouth is shut on this one.

The exterior doesn't look bad though

Maybe they should get a big red flag, cover the car with it then store it for eternity

jaak · October 25, 2011, 05:57:54 PM

I think the most crazy thing about this eBay ad is, four people has actually bid on it. (as of 6 p.m. 10/25/11)

Jason

chrisII · October 25, 2011, 06:30:54 PM

there is a sucker born every day

nh_mopar_fan · October 25, 2011, 11:14:24 PM

Let this be a lesson to you kids. Stay off the H!

road/track · October 26, 2011, 02:22:06 PM

I think you are unfair, it's actually have a "Mopar radiator with shroud", he must have popped the hood..

Tilar · October 26, 2011, 04:14:29 PM

Quote from: Darkman on October 25, 2011, 05:39:11 PM

I was also raised to believe that if you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all....so my mouth is shut on this one.

Maybe so but there is also a time to tell someone that has the booger on their nose to wipe it off cause it looks tacky. Many parents failed to teach that one.

68X426 · October 26, 2011, 05:05:47 PM

Quote from: Tilar on October 26, 2011, 04:14:29 PM
Quote from: Darkman on October 25, 2011, 05:39:11 PM

I was also raised to believe that if you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all....so my mouth is shut on this one.

Maybe so but there is also a time to tell someone that has the booger on their nose to wipe it off cause it looks tacky. Many parents failed to teach that one.

Oh damn, now that is funny.

I was being nice FWIW.

I sent an e-mail yesterday to the seller, simply and nicely asking if the car was a 69 or 70. It's 30 hours later and no reply.

440 · October 26, 2011, 06:26:08 PM

I don't mind the exterior although the interior isn't exactly what I'd call a thing of beauty.

Remember though, the car will appeal to someone. I'm sure someone in the world wants a resto-mod charger and there is no way you could build that car for 20K, so in reality the car is quite cheap to someone interested in it. I also don't agree with the false advertising about a numbers matching hemi or gator grain top. At least you'd have some argument to pull out of the ebay deal.

To each their own, but not my cup of joe

Darkman · October 26, 2011, 06:27:10 PM

Quote from: Tilar on October 26, 2011, 04:14:29 PM
Quote from: Darkman on October 25, 2011, 05:39:11 PM

I was also raised to believe that if you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all....so my mouth is shut on this one.

Maybe so but there is also a time to tell someone that has the booger on their nose to wipe it off cause it looks tacky. Many parents failed to teach that one.

I would dare say that this guy has probably copped enough crap from others that he doesn't have to hear it from me

Oh and Tilar, you have a little something hanging from your nose

Kern Dog · October 26, 2011, 11:09:20 PM

Put a stock interior back in and change the wheels.... and its NOT a bad car.......

morepower · October 26, 2011, 11:21:59 PM

wow. what a joke. I dont really like the style of this car but I could see someone liking the way the car is set up a lot. 20k only seems like a ripoff. but yeah they obviously dont know thier cars because of the things they said were factory were not!

GordonGriggs · October 27, 2011, 06:12:39 PM

Anyone notice that their were no seatbelts? I also did not see any interior door handles, or window handles. How would you get out or roll the windows up?

Brass · October 27, 2011, 06:17:44 PM

No proper speedo either, as far as I can see.

CAPER · October 28, 2011, 01:56:18 PM

Seller responded to my email. Didn't answer any of my questions. I also asked for engine pics so he sent me 50 more pics of the car but no engine pics. He also wanted to know how much I would pay lol.

XS29L9Bxxxxxx · October 28, 2011, 03:33:24 PM

Quote from: CAPER on October 28, 2011, 01:56:18 PM
Seller responded to my email. Didn't answer any of my questions. I also asked for engine pics so he sent me 50 more pics of the car but no engine pics. He also wanted to know how much I would pay lol.

Wow...

Unreal!

Kern Dog · October 28, 2011, 11:51:20 PM

What a clueless dick.

68X426 · October 29, 2011, 12:11:00 AM

Quote from: CAPER on October 28, 2011, 01:56:18 PM
Seller responded to my email. Didn't answer any of my questions. I also asked for engine pics so he sent me 50 more pics of the car but no engine pics. He also wanted to know how much I would pay lol.

4 days later and I haven't heard back on an e-mail. All I asked was if it was a 69 or a 70. No response.

68X426 · October 30, 2011, 10:32:39 AM

Winning bid was $31,666. The reserve was met before $30k. Unexplainable - the dealer ad had a price of $99,000 and yet an e-bay reserve of $28-29. Still no pics of the motor.

XS29L9Bxxxxxx · October 30, 2011, 10:41:56 AM

I have decided that *MOST* of what is on eBay, is not what it appears...

Take this one: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1969-69-Dodge-CHARGER-SE-R-T-clone-440-Big-Block-Engine-BEAUTIFUL-restoration-/130586527130?pt=US_Cars_Trucks&hash=item1e6790459a#ht_2755wt_1167

"Sold" for $28,800, or within $200 of what is claimed to take to buy the car... But it's for sale again this week, as it's been for sale for much of the past year...

Love the 99-cent bungee cord used to hold down the battery... On a $30k Charger, really??

Here's this week's ad:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=130593560794#ht_2956wt_1167

The Arrow · October 30, 2011, 01:50:41 PM

That's my Charger, thanks.

Are you perhaps aware that there are a lot of deadbeat buyers on eBay?

And that I'm only looking to get less than 60% of its appraised value.

This used to be a decent forum, populated by decent people. Many years ago.

XS29L9Bxxxxxx · October 30, 2011, 02:00:35 PM

Quote from: The Arrow on October 30, 2011, 01:50:41 PM
That's my Charger, thanks.

Are you perhaps aware that there are a lot of deadbeat buyers on eBay?

And that I'm only looking to get less than 60% of its appraised value.

This used to be a decent forum, populated by decent people. Many years ago.

Sorry if I struck a nerve, but why not fix the $5.00 door pin and replace the 99-cent bungee cord? With all due respect, you are not asking a cheap price, even at "60% of the appraised value". Fix the little stuff - again, especially if it's really so minor

Your car looks good in pics (didn't see a closeup of the peeling paint you mentioned though) and I'd actually be interested in buying your car - but not at the asking price implied. Anyways, here's to a deadbeat not screwing up your sale again - that has to be frustrating!

68X426 · October 31, 2011, 10:33:26 AM

Quote from: 68X426 on October 30, 2011, 10:32:39 AM
Winning bid was $31,666. The reserve was met before $30k. Unexplainable - the dealer ad had a price of $99,000 and yet an e-bay reserve of $28-29. Still no pics of the motor.

36 hours after the auction ended (sold according to e-bay) and the seller sent an e-mail.

I never bid, all I asked was if it was a 69 or 70, and for a motor pic.

There were 100 pics attached (none of the motor).

He asked me to make an offer on the car.

XS29L9Bxxxxxx · November 27, 2011, 10:23:46 PM

Quote from: The Arrow on October 30, 2011, 01:50:41 PM
That's my Charger, thanks.

Are you perhaps aware that there are a lot of deadbeat buyers on eBay?

And that I'm only looking to get less than 60% of its appraised value.

This used to be a decent forum, populated by decent people. Many years ago.

I see your Charger is for sale again... More deadbeats from the last auction?

I would probably be more serious about your car if it were priced more in-line with the details which need to still be fixed.

I am finding this month that virtually all ads online are overstated. And with the number of eBay ads pulled, I hate to even get involved in an auction which ends one way or another out of my favor... Cars.com has also turned into a haven for scams

Anyways, trying to buy another Charger before my wife finds a new SUV. Who's gonna win

And for the Arrow, good luck on your Charger sale

68X426 · November 28, 2011, 05:25:32 PM

Quote from: XS29L9Bxxxxxx on November 27, 2011, 10:23:46 PM
I see your Charger is for sale again...

Any pics of the motor?

UH60L · November 28, 2011, 06:12:08 PM

Biting my toungue on this one, but have to ask one question: Where are the gauges? (or are there any?......)

1970Moparmann · November 28, 2011, 10:04:51 PM

A car like that with a 2 sentence description is the biggest red flag. WTF. Must of had some friends bid on it or something.

XS29L9Bxxxxxx · November 29, 2011, 08:32:19 AM

Quote from: XS29L9Bxxxxxx on November 27, 2011, 10:23:46 PM
Quote from: The Arrow on October 30, 2011, 01:50:41 PM
That's my Charger, thanks.

Are you perhaps aware that there are a lot of deadbeat buyers on eBay?

And that I'm only looking to get less than 60% of its appraised value.

This used to be a decent forum, populated by decent people. Many years ago.

I see your Charger is for sale again... More deadbeats from the last auction? I would probably be more serious about your car if it were priced more in-line with the details which need to still be fixed.

I am finding this month that virtually all ads online are overstated. And with the number of eBay ads pulled, I hate to even get involved in an auction which ends one way or another out of my favor... Cars.com has also turned into a haven for scams

Anyways, trying to buy another Charger before my wife finds a new SUV. Who's gonna win And for the Arrow, good luck on your Charger sale

...and the white 69 Charger pulled even fewer bids than before... Seems every time it is listed, it goes lower... First, within a few hundred of what was wanted for the car. Then a few thousand under that auction, now a few thousand less, again...

Sill has the bungee cord battery hold-down and $5.00 fix issue outstanding. Are these auctions for real?

CAPER · January 22, 2012, 10:20:54 AM

Sells for $110,000 at Barrett Jackson
http://www.barrett-jackson.com/application/onlinesubmission/lotdetails.aspx?ln=1329&aid=443&pop=0

mauve66 · January 22, 2012, 10:39:44 AM

i never got to see the ebay ad, was removed

XS29L9Bxxxxxx · January 22, 2012, 10:44:07 AM

Quote from: CAPER on January 22, 2012, 10:20:54 AM

Sells for $110,000 at Barrett Jackson
http://www.barrett-jackson.com/application/onlinesubmission/lotdetails.aspx?ln=1329&aid=443&pop=0

Finally!!!!!! An engine pic

68X426 · January 22, 2012, 12:42:41 PM

That's great news for The Arrow. Any of us could have had it for $32000 off ebay with no engine pic.

He emailed that it was mine, just make any offer. Never sent an engine pic.

He gets $110000 at BJ just for finding that pic. He did it right, great strategy.

XS29L9Bxxxxxx · January 22, 2012, 12:50:07 PM

Quote from: 68X426 on January 22, 2012, 12:42:41 PM
That's great news for The Arrow. Any of us could have had it for $32000 off ebay with no engine pic.

He emailed that it was mine, just make any offer. Never sent an engine pic.

He gets $110000 at BJ just for finding that pic. He did it right, great strategy.

It wasn't the arrow which got the coin, it was that Hemi car with the elephant interior

The "arrow" Charger is a $20k car, as evidenced by the supposed "bids" to upper 20's which never resulted in any "real" sale

There were pics of that engine bay, complete with a bungee cord holding the battery in place

The Canadian exchange rate is about parallel right now and I'd give $20k for that car tomorrow. Real money

XS29L9Bxxxxxx · January 22, 2012, 12:53:40 PM

Quote from: XS29L9Bxxxxxx on October 25, 2011, 04:37:59 PM
Quote from: Tilar on October 25, 2011, 03:58:38 PM
What in the sam hell is this?

...see elephant comment above

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