Gaddafi won't be down for....

[squeakfinder]

This time it sounds official....

        http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/10/20/us-libya-idUSTRE79F1FK20111020?feedType=RSS&feedName=topNews&rpc=71

[stripedelete]

.....for hummus?

[BB1]

Breakfast burrito

[squeakfinder]

   a visit to Kmart, to buy more of those cheap sunglases.

[Todd Wilson]

That mofo in Iran needs to be next!


Todd

[bull]

That mofo in Iran needs to be next!
Todd

[Tilar]

    And it wouldn't piss me off any if Hopey McChangey went next.

[ACUDANUT]

  And it wouldn't piss me off any if Hopey McChangey went next.

\
Who ??

[Tilar]

Hopey McChangey = Obama. He's like the McDonalds version of a president. He's changing america and hopes nobody notices.

[squeakfinder]

That mofo in Iran needs to be next!


Todd

At the rate these bad guy's are dropping off I wouldn't doubt he'd be next.

[squeakfinder]

When I look at the way Qaddafi/Gaddafi dressed I think of that skit Carrol Burnett did called "Went with the wind".

[chargerboy69]

That mofo in Iran needs to be next!
Todd

He may be going sooner than later, however it may be his own government which gives him the boot.

http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/jazz/52744244-68/iran-khamenei-ahmadinejad-president.html.csp

[moparstuart]

When I look at the way Qaddafi/Gaddafi dressed I think of that skit Carrol Burnett did called "Went with the wind".

   that is a classic with the curtain rod   

[twodko]

Too little, too late for the Lockerbie victims.

[BigBlackDodge]

Better late than never.



BBD

[Ponch ®]

  And it wouldn't piss me off any if Hopey McChangey went next.

are you really saying what I think you're saying? Im no fan of the guy either, but damn...

[chargerboy69]

  And it wouldn't piss me off any if Hopey McChangey went next.

are you really saying what I think you're saying? Im no fan of the guy either, but damn...

I agree with Ponch on this one. You may need to clarify this statement as it could be taken the wrong way.

I jumped TK for a similar statement about Bush if I remember correctly. Things like this are not to be even joked about.

Please guys, lets keep it civil, we do not want to have the thread locked down.

[xpbprox]

  And it wouldn't piss me off any if Hopey McChangey went next.

are you really saying what I think you're saying? Im no fan of the guy either, but damn...

I agree with Ponch on this one. You may need to clarify this statement as it could be taken the wrong way.

I jumped TK for a similar statement about Bush if I remember correctly. Things like this are not to be even joked about.

Please guys, lets keep it civil, we do not want to have the thread locked down.

Technical Reply

I'm sure he wasn't joking, is he saying that he wants the man dead? No. Is he saying he wants to kill him? No. So what's the problem? It's an opinion, than him and may others feel strongly about. No need to jump on, read his comment and take it what it is, an opinion. Think about what the comment is really stating, would he be happy if he died? Again no. He's merely saying he wouldn't mind, he would just be indifferent.

Nuff said, Civil enough?

[Tilar]

  And it wouldn't piss me off any if Hopey McChangey went next.

are you really saying what I think you're saying? Im no fan of the guy either, but damn...

I agree with Ponch on this one. You may need to clarify this statement as it could be taken the wrong way.

I jumped TK for a similar statement about Bush if I remember correctly. Things like this are not to be even joked about.

Please guys, lets keep it civil, we do not want to have the thread locked down.

Technical Reply

I'm sure he wasn't joking, is he saying that he wants the man dead? No. Is he saying he wants to kill him? No. So what's the problem? It's an opinion, than him and may others feel strongly about. No need to jump on, read his comment and take it what it is, an opinion. Think about what the comment is really stating, would he be happy if he died? Again no. He's merely saying he wouldn't mind, he would just be indifferent.

Nuff said, Civil enough?

I have no love for the SOB and if he were killed today I would sleep like a baby tonight.  Do I want his childrens father taken away from them? Absolutely not! Would I buy the next round of drinks if I were sitting at the local Amvets and saw it on the television? More than likely!

[xpbprox]

  And it wouldn't piss me off any if Hopey McChangey went next.

are you really saying what I think you're saying? Im no fan of the guy either, but damn...

I agree with Ponch on this one. You may need to clarify this statement as it could be taken the wrong way.

I jumped TK for a similar statement about Bush if I remember correctly. Things like this are not to be even joked about.

Please guys, lets keep it civil, we do not want to have the thread locked down.

Technical Reply

I'm sure he wasn't joking, is he saying that he wants the man dead? No. Is he saying he wants to kill him? No. So what's the problem? It's an opinion, than him and may others feel strongly about. No need to jump on, read his comment and take it what it is, an opinion. Think about what the comment is really stating, would he be happy if he died? Again no. He's merely saying he wouldn't mind, he would just be indifferent.

Nuff said, Civil enough?

I have no love for the SOB and if he were killed today I would sleep like a baby tonight.  Do I want his childrens father taken away from them? Absolutely not! Would I buy the next round of drinks if I were sitting at the local Amvets and saw it on the television? More than likely!

I'm right there with you

[PocketThunder]

Mr "Hopey Changey" is not the only one to blame.   

[The70RT]

Im sure the next president will do a whole lot better....I can hardly wait to see! !!

[68RT4ME]

I'm glad they got that Turd finally and Oh Yeah, Bring on Michele Bachman.... She ROCKS   

[Tilar]

Mr "Hopey Changey" is not the only one to blame.   

You're exactly right, he's not the only one to blame... but he and the people in control for the last two years of GW's term and the first two years of his term have cost us more than any other administration in history.

[bull]

It's called slective blame. The responsibility for problems somehow manages to skip certain presidential terms in the minds of certain individuals.

[PocketThunder]

It's called slective blame. The responsibility for problems somehow manages to skip certain presidential terms in the minds of certain individuals.

The blame starts with ignorant apathetic voters first, then liberals second!    

[Old Moparz]

Determining which political party is responsible for the mess this country is in is not important. What's more important is figuring out if Mickey Rourke is also Moammar Gaddafi & if he's still alive.

Has anyone ever seen the two of them together?   

[68RT4ME]

Determining which political party is responsible for the mess this country is in is not important. What's more important is figuring out if Mickey Rourke is also Moammar Gaddafi & if he's still alive.

Has anyone ever seen the two of them together?   


HEY, I THINK YOU'RE ONTO SOMETHING 

[bull]

They're both crazy but I think they might just be brothers or something because one of them stays in shape and the other looks like he has never lifted more than 12 ounces.

I think Latoya Jackson and Michael Jackson may have merged into one at some point in the past.

[learical1]

Determining which political party is responsible for the mess this country is in is not important. What's more important is figuring out if Mickey Rourke is also Moammar Gaddafi & if he's still alive.

Has anyone ever seen the two of them together?   

Well, we now know who'll play the part of Gaddafi in the upcoming ABC Movie of the Week: "Libya, 40 Years of Hell."

[TK73]

I jumped TK for a similar statement about Bush if I remember correctly. Things like this are not to be even joked about.

Don't recall that one... slept since then...

I sure was glad to see the regime change in '08... this country can't take any more repackaged right-wing "trickle down" theory economics. The original and the first repackage nearly wiped out our economy and affected the entire planet...

Obama '12!!

[TK73]

As far as Iran is concerned:

All those in favor of invading Iran raise your right hand at the recruiting office...

[bull]

I jumped TK for a similar statement about Bush if I remember correctly. Things like this are not to be even joked about.

Don't recall that one... slept since then...

I sure was glad to see the regime change in '08... this country can't take any more repackaged right-wing "trickle down" theory economics. The original and the first repackage nearly wiped out our economy and affected the entire planet...

Obama '12!!

You're funny!

[Tilar]

Funny isn't quite what I had in mind,    but as far as raising my right hand at the recruiting office, I'm a little too old and not in good enough shape for that.   

[TK73]

Funny isn't quite what I had in mind,    but as far as raising my right hand at the recruiting office, I'm a little too old and not in good enough shape for that.   

They'll be glad to take your kids...

[bull]

Last night I heard a good story from a Romanian friend at work who told me about his escape from that communist country (at the time) into Yugoslavia and later into Italy before he managed to LEGALLY immigrate into the US. This process took 2 1/2 years of his life and a bunch of red tape before he could finally bring his wife and daughter here too.

Anyway, what's equally interesting is how he views politics here in the US. I'll let you guess which of the two major political parties here most reminds him of how things were done in communist Romania. Here's a hint: Reagan and Lincoln were NOT members of that party when they were elected president.

[squeakfinder]

   And who can stop reminiscing about all the silly hats he used to wear.

[TK73]

Last night I heard a good story from a Romanian friend at work who told me about his escape from that communist country (at the time) into Yugoslavia and later into Italy before he managed to LEGALLY immigrate into the US. This process took 2 1/2 years of his life and a bunch of red tape before he could finally bring his wife and daughter here too.

Anyway, what's equally interesting is how he views politics here in the US. I'll let you guess which of the two major political parties here most reminds him of how things were done in communist Romania. Here's a hint: Reagan and Lincoln were NOT members of that party when they were elected president.

Yeah, I work with a Romanian that got out too... some Poles, Russians, etc. 

Communist countries suck, try taking a good look at SUCCESSFUL countries like Norway, Denmark, Sweden... won't see many "refugees" from those countries.

[Tilar]

Funny isn't quite what I had in mind,    but as far as raising my right hand at the recruiting office, I'm a little too old and not in good enough shape for that.   

They'll be glad to take your kids...

Not sure what my one kid has in mind, but at his age (although he has none, he's almost old enough to have one old enough to go into the service) and since he just got married I doubt the service is anything he's interested in.

[TK73]

Good option, talked to my oldest but she had a serious foot injury (permanent damage) that keeps her out of the question...

[bull]

Yeah, I work with a Romanian that got out too... some Poles, Russians, etc.  

Communist countries suck, try taking a good look at SUCCESSFUL countries like Norway, Denmark, Sweden... won't see many "refugees" from those countries.

He has never mentioned any Scandavian countries when speaking about great nations. He only talks about the one he lives in. Same with my former Iranian coworker who stole a military helicopter, loaded as much of his and his brother's family inside as he could safely carry, and fled to the Republic of Turkey before making his way here. Really the only people who bitch about the US are the ones who were born here.

[BigBlackDodge]

You can always judge a country by the amount of people trying to get in vs people trying to get out.


BBD

[chargerboy69]

Wow, Shariah Law coming to Libya, who would have saw that one coming?  That sure is good news for them. 

And 20,000 surface-to-air missiles missing. . . That sure is good news for us and Israel. 





http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/missing-libya-missiles-find-gaza-border/story?id=14729363

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/libyan-transitional-leader-shariah-will-be-basic-source-of-all-law/

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindianocean/libya/8844819/Libyas-liberation-interim-ruler-unveils-more-radical-than-expected-plans-for-Islamic-law.html

[xpbprox]

Wow, Shariah Law coming to Libya, who would have saw that one coming?  Not Me   That sure is good news for them. 

And 20,000 surface-to-air missiles missing. . . That sure is good news for us and Israel. 

[J-440]

  Why is it that we help oust dictators who are friendly to us and Israel (most of the time) like Mubarek and Ghadaffi but yet we let the psychos of Iran and Syria stay in power?  Now the Muslim brotherhood is in charge in Egypt and Libyia.  Hey way to go Obama!!

[TK73]

  Why is it that we help oust dictators who are friendly to us and Israel (most of the time) like Mubarek and Ghadaffi but yet we let the psychos of Iran and Syria stay in power?  Now the Muslim brotherhood is in charge in Egypt and Libyia.  Hey way to go Obama!!

Explain how this is Obamas fault?

If anybody this is GWBs, Raygun, Nixon and hitlers fault... Damn near forgot the other fascist; Emperor Palpatine

[ACUDANUT]

 Why is it that we help oust dictators who are friendly to us and Israel (most of the time) like Mubarek and Ghadaffi but yet we let the psychos of Iran and Syria stay in power?  Now the Muslim brotherhood is in charge in Egypt and Libyia.  Hey way to go Obama!!

Isreal is our only alley in the middle east.  Have you already forgotten Ghadaffi shot down a Pan Am fight full Americans. (at least 250 Americans were murdered)

[bull]

  Why is it that we help oust dictators who are friendly to us and Israel (most of the time) like Mubarek and Ghadaffi but yet we let the psychos of Iran and Syria stay in power?  Now the Muslim brotherhood is in charge in Egypt and Libyia.  Hey way to go Obama!!

Explain how this is Obamas fault?

If anybody this is GWBs, Raygun, Nixon and hitlers fault... Damn near forgot the other fascist; Emperor Palpatine

Really? The only two Democrats you can find fault with in the last 70 years is Hitler and Emperor Palpatine?

[TK73]

 Why is it that we help oust dictators who are friendly to us and Israel (most of the time) like Mubarek and Ghadaffi but yet we let the psychos of Iran and Syria stay in power?  Now the Muslim brotherhood is in charge in Egypt and Libyia.  Hey way to go Obama!!

Explain how this is Obamas fault?

If anybody this is GWBs, Raygun, Nixon and hitlers fault... Damn near forgot the other fascist; Emperor Palpatine

Really? The only two Democrats you can find fault with in the last 70 years is Hitler and Emperor Palpatine?

Politics 101: Fascism is right wing...
                 Commies exit stage left please...

[TK73]

  Why is it that we help oust dictators who are friendly to us and Israel (most of the time) like Mubarek and Ghadaffi but yet we let the psychos of Iran and Syria stay in power?  Now the Muslim brotherhood is in charge in Egypt and Libyia.  Hey way to go Obama!!

Isreal is our only alley in the middle east.  Have you already forgotten Ghadaffi shot down a Pan Am fight full Americans.

Obama is responsible for Egypt, Iran, Syria and Libya how?

[bull]

Politics 101: Fascism is right wing...
                Commies exit stage left please...

I suppose that's why you didn't mention commie poster boys Stalin and Mao. And there was never a more "efficient" form of socialism than Hitler's Nazi party. Facists are just anti-everything. Anti-conservative, anti-democratic, anti-liberal, anti-capitalism, anti-clerical, anti-, anti-, anti-. You're probably thinking of the post 1920s Italian definition of fascism but today the consensus of many modern scholars (such as Roger Griffin, Rodney Stackleberg and Roger Eatwell) is that it is a mixture of both liberal and conservative ideologies, similar to its definition prior to the 1920s. So there. Politics 201.

[greenpigs]

 

[Ghoste]

Fascism in its strictest definition may be right wing, but Hitler blurred those lines.  For instance, "Nazi" a contraction of the German words for "National Socialist?  It might be less of a straight line and more of a circle because when you get to the extremists like that, they seem to operate about the same.

[HPP]

I've found myself subscribing to this sort of layout - extreme left is totalitarian government whether socialist, communist or other. Extreme right is no government at all or total chaos.

[TheGhost]

ALL HAIL ANARCHY!

[J-440]

  First Carter got rid of the Shah of Iran.  Then Reagan bombed Libya and that shut Ghadafi up.  Meanwhile before all that, Israel kicked the crap of its enemies during the 7 day War in 67.  There was somewhat of a peace for awhile until Palestine funded by Iran and Syria started lobbing rockets into Israel.  Israel whooped a little ass on its enemies again and everyone chilled a bit.  Now we have this Arab spring in which the Muslim Brotherhood has taken a firm hold in Egypt and Libya and who knows what other countries are gonna be next.  So I ask, why is it that Obama is not attacking Iran (the nutjob over there that when it gets nukes will use them) or Syria (another nutjob that slaughtered 3000 of his own citizens) but instead topples 2 countries whose a-hole dictators are not that big of a threat to us.  Then we got GW who got us into Iraq and 'Stan...and lets face it, when we leave a whole other shitstorm will hit those 2 countries and then Israel will really be in trouble.  This crapfest is over 2000 years old, why does big business (they run the White House by the way) need to interfere with that whole God forsaken area?  Guys who are 65 and older, please educate the rest of us.

[HPP]

Your missing a few points along the way.

Before the end of WW2, the Allies decided to establish a Jewish homeland in a portion of Palestine. Palestinians were displaced to create the new country of Isreal. There is the start of the conflict, however, very few of the neighboring muslim nations had much wherewithall to say or do anything about it.

After WW2, what we now know as the G10 decided that the worlds economies would be pegged to the US dollar. The US dollar was elected to be used excluively for the buying and selling of oil. We told all the Arab countries we'd make them rich. All we asked is that they leave Isreal alone and buy our debt.

Iran actually had a democratically elected prime minister after WW2 who was implementing a large number of progressive reforms. However, he also decided to nationlize the countries oil supply and use it to benefit Iran, rather than allow the Britsih run Anglo Iranian Oil company to keep all the profits. That brought the US and Britan to dispose of him and replace him with the Shah. The Shah ran the country like most other autocratic dictators we've put in place which eventually lead to social revolt and the fundamentalists taking over in the late 70s.

As the Arab nations become wealthier, they began to get more pissed about Isreal's existence and tensions began to rise. Some countries are resentful of the petro dollar system and are willing to lob grenades at anyone. Some countries understand the petro dollar shackle and while outwardly respecting of it, they will fund under the table activity against it. This is created all the tip toeing around that has been necessary for the last 60 years to keep the whole shebang from caving in on its self. The reason why we do that is again the fact that economies the world over are pegged to US dollar value and run off oil. If we let the middle east collapse, then they call in our debt, we're too broke to pay, the whole thing collapses, Iran starts selling cheap oil to China and Russia we become a has been nation.

Obama had nothing to do with the toppling of Mubarack and Qhadaffi. To think he would do anything militarily with Iran is just silly. Was Quadaffi a nut job, yeah, but by comparison he was a moderate. Is Syria run by nut jobs, yeah, and I have a feeling that we are going to hear more about them in coming years.

[TK73]

Politics 101: Fascism is right wing...
                Commies exit stage left please...

I suppose that's why you didn't mention commie poster boys Stalin and Mao. And there was never a more "efficient" form of socialism than Hitler's Nazi party. Facists are just anti-everything. Anti-conservative, anti-democratic, anti-liberal, anti-capitalism, anti-clerical, anti-, anti-, anti-. You're probably thinking of the post 1920s Italian definition of fascism but today the consensus of many modern scholars (such as Roger Griffin, Rodney Stackleberg and Roger Eatwell) is that it is a mixture of both liberal and conservative ideologies, similar to its definition prior to the 1920s. So there. Politics 201.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/Fascism
fascism (ˈfæʃɪzəm) [Click for IPA pronunciation guide]
—n
1.     any ideology or movement inspired by Italian Fascism, such as German National Socialism; any right-wing nationalist ideology or movement with an authoritarian and hierarchical structure that is fundamentally opposed to democracy and liberalism
2.     any ideology, movement, programme, tendency, etc, that may be characterized as right-wing, chauvinist, authoritarian, etc
3.     prejudice in relation to the subj

Cultural Dictionary -
fascism [(fash-iz-uhm)]

A system of government that flourished in Europe from the 1920s to the end of World War II. Germany under Adolf Hitler, Italy under Mussolini, and Spain under Franco were all fascist states. As a rule, fascist governments are dominated by a dictator, who usually possesses a magnetic personality, wears a showy uniform, and rallies his followers by mass parades; appeals to strident nationalism; and promotes suspicion or hatred of both foreigners and "impure" people within his own nation, such as the Jews in Germany. Although both communism and fascism are forms of totalitarianism, fascism does not demand state ownership of the means of production, nor is fascism committed to the achievement of economic equality. In theory, communism opposes the identification of government with a single charismatic leader (the "cult of personality"), which is the cornerstone of fascism. Whereas communists are considered left-wing, fascists are usually described as right-wing.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism
Position in the political spectrum

Fascism is commonly described as "extreme right"...

Italian Fascists described fascism as a right-wing ideology in the political program The Doctrine of Fascism, stating:...

[TK73]

Fascism in its strictest definition may be right wing, but Hitler blurred those lines.  For instance, "Nazi" a contraction of the German words for "National Socialist?  It might be less of a straight line and more of a circle because when you get to the extremists like that, they seem to operate about the same.

Ah, I see... Anybody here want to move to the Democratic Peoples Republic of Korea? 

We missed our opportunity to reside in the DDR - Deutsche Demokratische Republik (German Democratic Republic). A haven in a turbulent world.

So much in a name... 

[TK73]

Politics 101: Fascism is right wing...
                Commies exit stage left please...

I suppose that's why you didn't mention commie poster boys Stalin and Mao. And there was never a more "efficient" form of socialism than Hitler's Nazi party. Facists are just anti-everything. Anti-conservative, anti-democratic, anti-liberal, anti-capitalism, anti-clerical, anti-, anti-, anti-. You're probably thinking of the post 1920s Italian definition of fascism but today the consensus of many modern scholars (such as Roger Griffin, Rodney Stackleberg and Roger Eatwell) is that it is a mixture of both liberal and conservative ideologies, similar to its definition prior to the 1920s. So there. Politics 201.

the Obama haters want to label the man as a Nazi and Communist... can't be both...

[TheGhost]

Politics 101: Fascism is right wing...
                Commies exit stage left please...

I suppose that's why you didn't mention commie poster boys Stalin and Mao. And there was never a more "efficient" form of socialism than Hitler's Nazi party. Facists are just anti-everything. Anti-conservative, anti-democratic, anti-liberal, anti-capitalism, anti-clerical, anti-, anti-, anti-. You're probably thinking of the post 1920s Italian definition of fascism but today the consensus of many modern scholars (such as Roger Griffin, Rodney Stackleberg and Roger Eatwell) is that it is a mixture of both liberal and conservative ideologies, similar to its definition prior to the 1920s. So there. Politics 201.

the Obama haters want to label the man as a Nazi and Communist... can't be both...

What if he's bipolar?

[bull]

Politics 101: Fascism is right wing...
                Commies exit stage left please...

I suppose that's why you didn't mention commie poster boys Stalin and Mao. And there was never a more "efficient" form of socialism than Hitler's Nazi party. Facists are just anti-everything. Anti-conservative, anti-democratic, anti-liberal, anti-capitalism, anti-clerical, anti-, anti-, anti-. You're probably thinking of the post 1920s Italian definition of fascism but today the consensus of many modern scholars (such as Roger Griffin, Rodney Stackleberg and Roger Eatwell) is that it is a mixture of both liberal and conservative ideologies, similar to its definition prior to the 1920s. So there. Politics 201.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/Fascism
fascism (ˈfæʃɪzəm) [Click for IPA pronunciation guide]
—n
1.     any ideology or movement inspired by Italian Fascism, such as German National Socialism; any right-wing nationalist ideology or movement with an authoritarian and hierarchical structure that is fundamentally opposed to democracy and liberalism
2.     any ideology, movement, programme, tendency, etc, that may be characterized as right-wing, chauvinist, authoritarian, etc
3.     prejudice in relation to the subj

Cultural Dictionary -
fascism [(fash-iz-uhm)]

A system of government that flourished in Europe from the 1920s to the end of World War II. Germany under Adolf Hitler, Italy under Mussolini, and Spain under Franco were all fascist states. As a rule, fascist governments are dominated by a dictator, who usually possesses a magnetic personality, wears a showy uniform, and rallies his followers by mass parades; appeals to strident nationalism; and promotes suspicion or hatred of both foreigners and "impure" people within his own nation, such as the Jews in Germany. Although both communism and fascism are forms of totalitarianism, fascism does not demand state ownership of the means of production, nor is fascism committed to the achievement of economic equality. In theory, communism opposes the identification of government with a single charismatic leader (the "cult of personality"), which is the cornerstone of fascism. Whereas communists are considered left-wing, fascists are usually described as right-wing.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism
Position in the political spectrum

Fascism is commonly described as "extreme right"...

Italian Fascists described fascism as a right-wing ideology in the political program The Doctrine of Fascism, stating:...

Ah, the old dictionary definitions. Once it's there it never ever changes. Here's a word for you to look up: etymology.

And why all the emphasis on the word authoritarian? Are you saying that authoritarianism is exclusive to right wing extremists? Because, again, I think Stalin and Mao proved otherwise. Not that it matters. Fascism is no better than communism, it's just a different form of totalitarianism.

[HPP]

Fascism is no better than communism, it's just a different form of totalitarianism.

Hence, all totalitarianism regimes are at the far left of the governmental scale. The lack of any sort of governement and social order allowing chaos and anarchy is the far right side of the scale.

[bull]

Fascism is no better than communism, it's just a different form of totalitarianism.

Hence, all totalitarianism regimes are at the far left of the governmental scale. The lack of any sort of governement and social order allowing chaos and anarchy is the far right side of the scale.

What's funny is that my post that started this definitions debate was meant as a joke. But lefties have no sense of humor when it comes to this stuff.

[J-440]

Thanks for filling in those gaps HPP. Learn something new every day.  So basically we have to intervene or we're screwed.  Think George Washington was right when he said not to meddle in other countries affairs.

[HPP]

Yeah, we've stuck ourselves to a point that if we don't intervene, we're in worse shape than if we do.

Yes, we should have left well enough alone, but coming out of WW2 as a world power, we felt it was our duty to prevent the spread of communism to steamroll our policies around the world. I think if you look at all the messes around the world that we've tried to manipulate, you could say the CIA is an resounding failure in their ability to actually improve global politics in our favor.