New Camaro....

[xpbprox]

Just drove one today for the first time, damn it's bad ass. The interior beats the challenger, as far as the front seats. It was just a V6 but had nice power, had a lot of features. Never thought I'd really like another non mopar muscle car this much.

[Chryco Psycho]

I find the interior smaller & more cramped

[1969chargerrtse]

Nice looking car, wish they would do hideaway lamps though.

[xpbprox]

The parking break is in the most redicilois spot. I'm 6ft 190lbs and it fits me good but no one will be able to sit behind me

[bobs66440]

The Camaros are pretty cool, though I like the looks of the Challenger better, but I think it's over priced for what you get.

The V-6 engines in those cars are amazing with the power they put out. It's very respectable, especially comPared to the so called muscle cars of the 60's & 70's. I'm sure the cars of today would blow away most of the early muscle cars.

[Ghoste]

I like the Camaro a lot more than I thought I would but I would still take the Challenger.

[ACUDANUT]

Dodge needs to drop their prices on the Challengers..Hell, I can get a new Camaro covertible for the price of a reg plain chally. 

[Ghoste]

Yes.  Between the number of dealers who bizarrely still want to add the greedy bastard surcharge and the msrp to begin with, an already crowded market niche becomes harder for Dodge.

[ACUDANUT]

Will Dodge ever wake up ?

[TK73]

Dodge lost my business when they delayed release of the Challenger, pushed the date back several times.  June 2008 I got tired of waiting and bought a Mustang GT... Glad I did, the Mustang is a better car anyways.

Camaro is ok but I didn't like the limited rear visibility compared to the Mustang.

[ChgrSteve67]

I have driven both the Camero and the Challenger and the RS Camero is pretty equal to the SE Challenger.

I definately didn't like the location of the parking break in the Camero and the blind spots are much bigger as well.
I give added points to the Challenger for comfort because the inside is bigger and you are not as laid back. Sitting up more makes it a lot easier to get in and out of the car (For me).

The Camero V6 is 312 hp vs the Challengers Pentastar V6 at 305. I'm sure the Challenger weighs more than the Camero so if you want to get into a drag race between the two the Camero will probably win.

Price difference between the two... The Camero RS I looked at was 29K and had options like heated leather seats, rally gauges, sat radio (no navigation) and heads up display, and my Challenger was 31K for the same options but included Navigation, 20 inch rims and upgraded breaks but did not have a HUD. I like the feel of the leather in my Challenger compared to the leather in the Camero but I would still be happy with it.

I get lots of attention in the Challenger and I'm sure I would get about the same in the Camero.

I think both are great cars and you can't go wrong buying either one.

The Mustang for me is just so over done and even more crampt inside than the Camero but if I wanted a a lot of performance for the money you can't beat it. It also has the largest market for aftermarket parts between the three.

BTW I went down to the Bay area and back in my Challenger last night and averaged 27.2 MPG (235 miles).

-Steve

[TK73]

"The Mustang for me is just so over done and even more crampt inside than the Camero but if I wanted a a lot of performance for the money you can't beat it. It also has the largest market for aftermarket parts between the three."

What was overdone?

I'm 6'6" 235lbs... The Mustang is a good fit for me.  I have no need for the back seat so that is basically a CD storage area...

Aftermarket is INCREDIBLE for Mustangs!!

[ChgrSteve67]

Overdone in that everyone has there version...

Shelby GT-H
Shelby GT500KR
Shelby CS6/8
Shelby GT500E
Shelby GT500 "Super Snake"
Roush
Steeda
Saleen
Iacocca Silver 45th Anniversary Edition
Heat Edition
Ford T-5
High Country Special
Ski Country Special
Challenger Special
Mustang Cobra II
King Cobra
McLaren M81
Mustang SVT Cobra
Mustang SVO
Bullitt
Warriors in Pink
Mach 1
Anniversary editions
FR500
AV8R

and this dosent include the reguar production models like standard, GT, New MACH 1 and BOSS 302 versions.

Everytime I watch Barret Jackson there is a new 1 of 1 or new limited edition Mustang.
There are what...  500 million Mustangs made.  Nothing Unique about them anymore.  

Talking about the back seat is pointless in all three. Its there so its not classified as a sports car by the insurance industry, its not meant to be used.

[chargermike]

hate the new camaro. looks cramped bad body style. the rear end looks funny. have owned many camaros. love the mustangs and challengers but chevy could have done much better. but they are fast and many people love them. but i'll take the challenger.

[mitch64]

I still have not driven a new Camaro, but I like what I see. I have an 09 R/T Challenger and an 09 Mustang v6. They are both great cars, but I can seat three kids or modest sized adults in the back of the challenger. My oldest daughter wants a new Camaro, but she is 5 years away from driving age, so we shall see. Love this site, have been lurking here for years but never posted. I own 3 other mopars: 73 charger, 70 charger and 70 gtx.

[ACUDANUT]

Overdone in that everyone has there version...

Shelby GT-H
Shelby GT500KR
Shelby CS6/8
Shelby GT500E
Shelby GT500 "Super Snake"
Roush
Steeda
Saleen
Iacocca Silver 45th Anniversary Edition
Heat Edition
Ford T-5
High Country Special
Ski Country Special
Challenger Special
Mustang Cobra II
King Cobra
McLaren M81
Mustang SVT Cobra
Mustang SVO
Bullitt
Warriors in Pink
Mach 1
Anniversary editions
FR500
AV8R

and this dosent include the reguar production models like standard, GT, New MACH 1 and BOSS 302 versions.

Everytime I watch Barret Jackson there is a new 1 of 1 or new limited edition Mustang.
There are what...  500 million Mustangs made.  Nothing Unique about them anymore.  

Talking about the back seat is pointless in all three. Its there so its not classified as a sports car by the insurance industry, its not meant to be used.

Dang..Well stated. They have about 20 "special editions/mods"...Way overkill.

[ChgrSteve67]

Love this site, have been lurking here for years but never posted. I own 3 other mopars: 73 charger, 70 charger and 70 gtx.

Welcome Mitch

We would love to hear about your collection and some pics would be great.
I would love to own a 70 gtx.

[XS29L9Bxxxxxx]

My wife drives a new Camaro Convertible and loves it  I wish Dodge made a Challenger convertible... That, I would buy!  Wait, I bought the Camaro, already... 

[68RT4ME]

My wife drives a new Camaro Convertible and loves it  I wish Dodge made a Challenger convertible... That, I would buy!  Wait, I bought the Camaro, already... 

See now my wife had the opposite reaction to the Camaro Convertible and so did I. Last Monday we had a rare day off together and went car shopping. The Convertible was on her list of cars she was interested in. We took out a $37,900 RS model that was loaded. The salesman was a nice guy who sat in back as we drove and explained the options. The HUD was cool but after we parked and left the dealership we began to talk about it and we both felt is was kinda on the cheap side for the money. It didn't ride very and well to make a long story short, we simply were not impressed with the car at all. Don't get me wrong, it's a great looking car and we were surprised we didn't like it. The hunt for her new ride continues...

[xpbprox]

My wife drives a new Camaro Convertible and loves it  I wish Dodge made a Challenger convertible... That, I would buy!  Wait, I bought the Camaro, already... 

See now my wife had the opposite reaction to the Camaro Convertible and so did I. Last Monday we had a rare day off together and went car shopping. The Convertible was on her list of cars she was interested in. We took out a $37,900 RS model that was loaded. The salesman was a nice guy who sat in back as we drove and explained the options. The HUD was cool but after we parked and left the dealership we began to talk about it and we both felt is was kinda on the cheap side for the money. It didn't ride very and well to make a long story short, we simply were not impressed with the car at all. Don't get me wrong, it's a great looking car and we were surprised we didn't like it. The hunt for her new ride continues...

I agree about the ride, with those huge DUBZ on it you can feel all the road imperfections. And it can get kind of loud. My cousins older brother has a challenger SRT 8 but I doubt he will be as nice and let drive it haha it's a stick too one day!

[Dino]

Am I the only one who really doesn't care about any of those cars?  I don't find the Camaro, Challenger or Mustang to really be anything special.  The Mustang and Challenger are nice looking cars but they are a mere shadow of their predecessors.  Frankly I get tired of seeing one every five minutes, Mustang at least, not that many Challengers around.  Now I don't dislike them, they look fine and I'm sure they perform great but they don't have anything going for them like the old rides do, there's no real art in the design.  That goes for the interior mostly I guess, I love the interiors on old cars but these new cars look boring as hell.  There's a guy in my area with a black Challenger that I run into from time to time.  Every time I see the car I try to like it, try to find something that stands out, but I can't.  I didn't tell the owner though, he's very nice and why would I step on his dream, apparently he cherishes it as it's spotless every time.  When he give me the thumbs up for my Charger, I return the favor, at least he's into cars.

The Camaro is plain and simple a design freak, it's ugly no matter how you look at it.

[1970Moparmann]

A friend picked up a 2010 with 10k miles and has had a horrible experience.   The engine, trans, and air conditioning system has gone out.   The service he has received by multiple dealerships has been piss poor also. 

Next, I rented one for a day trip around the Midwest....  WAS NOT IMPRESSED AT ALL.   First off, the windshield and side windows are so small even against the 300 and Charger.   Due to the slope of the window, I had a really back problem with it frosting up, because the defroster hits the windshield from about half way up.  WTF.

Granted the car was from Enterprise, but it only had 5k miles on it.  The fit and finish was not impressive with me.   It rattled and there were a bunch of noises - window rattle and plastic rattling.   

I was excited to get it initially, but was glad after I dropped it off. 

Of course this is just my 

[1969chargerrtse]

Always wondered what a RS version would look like?  Saw this custom grille Camaro today.  Kinda cool.

[XS29L9Bxxxxxx]

Always wondered what a RS version would look like?  Saw this custom grille Camaro today.  Kinda cool.

My wife's Camaro Convertible is a 2SS/ RS, so it has the "halo lights"  So glad it does not have a grille like that. It would have been a deal breaker 

[Ghoste]

I don't mind it myself.

[Cooter]

Am I the only one who really doesn't care about any of those cars?  I don't find the Camaro, Challenger or Mustang to really be anything special.  

Nope, not the only one. All of the musclecars today are overdone, over weight, and over priced for what you get.


Yet, try and get $40K for a 500 HP '69 Charger and you'll be laughed at.

[1969chargerrtse]

Am I the only one who really doesn't care about any of those cars?  I don't find the Camaro, Challenger or Mustang to really be anything special.  The Mustang and Challenger are nice looking cars but they are a mere shadow of their predecessors.  Frankly I get tired of seeing one every five minutes, Mustang at least, not that many Challengers around.  Now I don't dislike them, they look fine and I'm sure they perform great but they don't have anything going for them like the old rides do, there's no real art in the design.  That goes for the interior mostly I guess, I love the interiors on old cars but these new cars look boring as hell.  There's a guy in my area with a black Challenger that I run into from time to time.  Every time I see the car I try to like it, try to find something that stands out, but I can't.  I didn't tell the owner though, he's very nice and why would I step on his dream, apparently he cherishes it as it's spotless every time.  When he give me the thumbs up for my Charger, I return the favor, at least he's into cars.

The Camaro is plain and simple a design freak, it's ugly no matter how you look at it.

I'm not a huge Ford fan but I think the Mustang is great, old and new.   I love the look.

[Chryco Psycho]

Most of the overweight is gov regulations on building cars , you cannot get away with a 5lb bumper , add airbags & computer management & a wiring harness with about 7-8x as many wires to controls everything + all the save you butt systems for traction , braking , even auto parking features there is no way to build a lightweight car .
I still like the new Chall , comfortable , great power ,handling & braking & decent milage

[Ghoste]

Me too.

[Cooter]

there is no way to build a lightweight car .

I beg to differ. The new Challenger was built for the overweight American as well as the over weight vehicle. Look at the sheer size of the damn thing. If your Big/tall/wide/whatever, ass can't comfortably ride in a 1970 Challenger, why do you need one that's about the size of a MACK truck compared to the original?

It didn't need to be that big. Less car means less weight. Chevy figured out that fiberglass doors/hoods/body/etc. pass Gov. regs just as easily as metal ones. No, Mercedes engineering had alot to do with the weight of the new Challenger. Not the buying public. If you can't fit into the Muscle car, then you don't buy one simple as that. If your willing to scrunch up to fit in a 1970, then you should fit fine in a smaller, Newer, lighter version today...

[myk]

The new 5.0 is HOT.  I would argue it's one of the greatest muscle cars of all time; you can hate it all you want but the performance is there and that's what these cars are all about.  If I was in the market to buy a new muscle car it would be a tie between the '12+Charger R/T and the new 5.0, then the Challenger, and then at a very distant 3rd the Camaro, although I don't ever see myself looking to buy those cars as I already own the greatest version of Charger and GM musclecar, IMO of course.

It didn't need to be that big. Less car means less weight.

I'm pretty sure the makers are rectifying this as we speak; I've heard that in the next redesign both the Mustang and the Camaro are going to be a lot more svelte and less porky as they are right now.  But, given that the cars we're looking at now are just the 1st generation of each I think they're doing fine-they'll only get better over time.  As for Dodge?  Who knows-these are the guys that kept running full 'alt power through the dash into the mid 90's so who knows when they'll get with the program...

[Ghoste]

Dodge are by NO means the only automaker (or hard good manufacturer of any sort) in the world who cling to certain technologies over others.  As for the Challenger being the size it was, if you wanted a two door V8 powered rear wheel drive it most certainly had to be that size.  The car is based off of the mid size four door family sedan, remember?  There is no business model within Chrysler group that could have justified the expense of transferring the marketing demands of that tiny demographic onto a new platform. 

[Cooter]

As for the Challenger being the size it was, if you wanted a two door V8 powered rear wheel drive it most certainly had to be that size.  The car is based off of the mid size four door family sedan, remember?  There is no business model within Chrysler group that could have justified the expense of transferring the marketing demands of that tiny demographic onto a new platform. 

This is why I stated MERCEDES had everything to do with the car being over weight and huge...Chrysler needs to quit pimping itself out like a cheap $2.00 whore. They need to get back to basics like selling cars..

[Ghoste]

True enough.  It was never meant to be a ponycar, they had always wanted it to be the European touring sedan the Germans knew we really wanted.

[bill440rt]

I'd like to know the weight comparison of a bare new Challenger body to an old one. Automakers are utilizing higher strength, thinner steels. Higher structural integrity with thinner steel to save weight. The older cars didn't have this advancement so they just made plain steel thicker for strength.
Heck, even something simple like hardware saves weight. A coffee can full of nuts & bolts has some weight to it, compare that to the plastic clips & smaller bolts used today.
My hunch is that a bare new body is probably comparable or even lighter than the old one, even though it is slightly bigger. I say "slightly" because it's not like comparing a Smartcar to a Lincoln. The additional weight likely comes from the safety features, power accessories, heavier wiring harnesses, modules, etc. I'd still own one.

Back to the original topic, I kinda like the styling of the new Camaro, Mustang, & Challengers.

[Ghoste]

The new Challengers are supposed to weight right around 4000 pounds.  A new Drag Pack one is supposed to be around 1000 less than that BUT in addition to stripping out a lot of the modern cars not needed for racing items it also uses a bunch of carbon fiber stuff.  My guess is that the new one stripped of the modern accroutrements would weigh in at a figure very close to the old one in spite of its girth.  And if you park a new by an old one, you quickly notice the size difference.

[bill440rt]

Yep, fully aware of the size difference.

[Cooter]

The new Challengers are supposed to weight right around 4000 pounds.  A new Drag Pack one is supposed to be around 1000 less than that BUT in addition to stripping out a lot of the modern cars not needed for racing items it also uses a bunch of carbon fiber stuff.  My guess is that the new one stripped of the modern accroutrements would weigh in at a figure very close to the old one in spite of its girth.  And if you park a new by an old one, you quickly notice the size difference.

One cannot even BUY one of those "So-called" drag pack cars unless you are a pro racer. That is Bullsh*t IMO. If I want it and have the money, I should be able to order anything I want...like I said earlier, they are heavy, over weight cars because Chrysler isn't doing what it needs to do in order to satisfy their customers. You have to get all this other BS in order to buy the HP version...Back in the day, you could order a damn race car right off the showroom floor. Chrysler needs to get back to doing this today and they will see profits rise through the roof.

I mean, look how many 500 HP cars are selling today that get 15-20 MPG when fuel is Rising DAILY @ $3-$4/gal.....Nuff said.

[SRT-440]

I'm looking at a Camaro 2SS (Transformer Edition..yup I'm a geek) for my daily driver...the only thing I don't like is a lot of blind spots...but this one has a rear camera that helps.
Another thing to remember...these cars are FULL of sensors, air bags, nav systems, heated/cooled seats, 20+ inch wheels..
strip all that off and put 15 inch wheels, '70 bucket seats, am radio, stock 440 (that would be interesting) and I would bet the new car would be lighter than the old.

Personally, I like seats that blow cold air up my backside! 

[Ponch ®]

Proof that some people just love to have a reason to bitch and can't be pleased. First it was "WAAAAH...Chrysler doesn't have a v8 RWD car. If they made one, I'd get one". When the Charger / Magnum / 300 came out, it was "WAAAAAAH....I won't buy one. It has too many doors. Now, if they did a two door version, I'd be all over it". "WAAAAAH...I don't get all that fancy interior stuff...too many bells and whistles. A muscle car should be bare bones". Then the Challenger came out, and now it's "WAAAAAH...its too big / heavy / expensive. If it was smaller and lighter...". "WAAAAAH...the interior looks sooo cheap".  If FIATsler does come out with the rumored smaller, lighter 'cuda in a couple of years, i can already hear the whining "WAAAAH...it's too small, and I don't like the looks. Chrysler/Dodge needs to go back to building big and heavy muscle cars..."

I think it's funny how most of these posts about why these cars suck (be it the Challenger, Camaro, or Mustang) almost always inevitably begin or end with the "not that I plan on buying a new car anytime soon anyway...my 88 F150 is still going strong" disclaimer. It's like the threads about hot chicks...its always the old, ugly dudes with no game and fat wives that give discourses on why they would NOT bang Kim Kardashian. Please.

But really, it's all about what you like. If you think the Mustang is the shit, by all means get one and enjoy it. I still think the Challenger, price not being an issue, is the best looking of the bunch. I drive the wife's car a couple of days a week and - not exaggerating here - I'll get at least one "nice car" or "damn, I love that car" comment EVERY time. Kinda chaps my hide, actually, because other than tinted windows it's all stock. I get tons of compliments on the '08 Charger all the time too, but I've done a ton of mods to it to get that way.

[70charger_boy]

I don't like how high the Challenger sits. The thing looks like BigFoot

[mauve66]

FIATsler  -  i love it, you should trademark it then market it to them

my kid bought a '12 camaro for his 21st b-day, i tried the challenger is better routine but he just said they were too high priced
he test drove all 3(all V6's, a V8 would of killed him on insurance) for almost a year before he decided on the camaro
i got to take it to MATS this year and run the hotchkiss course with it, it was fun but man a V8 would of sure been better, if you take the traction control off every time you turn the key on it would be alot better

[Indygenerallee]

Would be a new Mustang for me over the Challenger and Camaro I hate the Camaro and the Challenger is priced WAY too high.

[Ponch ®]

I don't like how high the Challenger sits. The thing looks like BigFoot

there are a ton of aftermarket lowering springs for the Chally. Or, if you got the $, go for adjustable coilovers.

It's not rocket surgery.

[ACUDANUT]

 I think the new Challenger looks like a 4x4 too.  It just does not sit right.

[Ponch ®]

I think the new Challenger looks like a 4x4 too.  It just does not sit right.

see my post just before yours. the stance its not exactly an insurmountable obstacle.

[Ghoste]

Well stated Ponch.  (I retain my right to complain but well stated)

[Cooter]

Proof that some people just love to have a reason to bitch and can't be pleased. First it was "WAAAAH...Chrysler doesn't have a v8 RWD car. If they made one, I'd get one". When the Charger / Magnum / 300 came out, it was "WAAAAAAH....I won't buy one. It has too many doors. Now, if they did a two door version, I'd be all over it". "WAAAAAH...I don't get all that fancy interior stuff...too many bells and whistles. A muscle car should be bare bones". Then the Challenger came out, and now it's "WAAAAAH...its too big / heavy / expensive. If it was smaller and lighter...". "WAAAAAH...the interior looks sooo cheap".  If FIATsler does come out with the rumored smaller, lighter 'cuda in a couple of years, i can already hear the whining "WAAAAH...it's too small, and I don't like the looks. Chrysler/Dodge needs to go back to building big and heavy muscle cars..." You want my $40K for that new car??? Better be kissin my ass or I'm gonna point out WHY it isn't worth it. Simple as that. Whining or not.

I think it's funny how most of these posts about why these cars suck (be it the Challenger, Camaro, or Mustang) almost always inevitably begin or end with the "not that I plan on buying a new car anytime soon anyway...my 88 F150 is still going strong" disclaimer. It's like the threads about hot chicks...its always the old, ugly dudes with no game and fat wives that give discourses on why they would NOT bang Kim Kardashian. Please.Just as I stated in another thread about b*tchin' about things one cannot change. Some stated in said thread that they will b*tch even though they cannot change things. Why should "old guys with fat wives" be any different when talking about the new Challenger/Camaro/Mustang/Charger whatever? Sorry Ponch, but I have a hard time beliving you have any more "game" than the perverbial "old guys" so that is a moot point their "Bro". I don't think any of us older [dare I say wiser] guys give two pinches of puppy sh*t about "Game" and all that jazz.

But really, it's all about what you like. If you think the Mustang is the shit, by all means get one and enjoy it. I still think the Challenger, price not being an issue, is the best looking of the bunch. I drive the wife's car a couple of days a week and - not exaggerating here - I'll get at least one "nice car" or "damn, I love that car" comment EVERY time. Kinda chaps my hide, actually, because other than tinted windows it's all stock. I get tons of compliments on the '08 Charger all the time too, but I've done a ton of mods to it to get that way.And it's thinking like this that got the first orders sold. The "Gotta be the first to have anything that's new out" croud. I just prefer to be happy for more than a few minutes, then selling said car off, because my attention span is shorter than 30 seconds. I buy a new car, it better last me the next 25 years for $40K. Therefore, i want my new Challenger MY WAY...

[Cooter]

Gimme the "Drag Pack" Challenger, 6.1 Hemi, 6 speed, Actually Delivered to my dealer RUNNING, instead of some $60K DIY erector set, Dana 60 LIVE AXLE[Keep that IRS Bullsh*t], and price it around $35K.


Gimme the damn thiung MY WAY like Chrysler used to dammit. Of course, there's too many people willing to buy whatever they stick in your face and just "Be happy" with whatever they get so this won't work.

[Ghoste]

Isn't the idea that you can get one partially finished or get them turn key as well though?

[mauve66]

but either way they aren't street legal and can't be licensed as such that's why they limit the market for them so the lawyers are happy

[charger_fan_4ever]

Dodge needs to drop their prices on the Challengers..Hell, I can get a new Camaro covertible for the price of a reg plain chally. 

I say the same. Why make new limited color cars. Drop the price some and sell more of them. BUT wasn't this the same case back in the pony car days ? The mopar was always the lowest produced and highest priced ?

[Ghoste]

I thought the Camaro was more money back then?

[Cooter]

Why would Dodge drop the price when too many stupid, dumasses just HAD TO HAVE one to be the first on the block with one in the beginning back in '08, and paid out the ass for it. Now, Ma Mopar thinks EVERYBODY should be as stupid....

[Ghoste]

Yep.

[Ponch ®]

Gimme the damn thiung MY WAY like Chrysler used to dammit.

Oh you spoiled kids nowadays and your sense of entitlement. "Me Me Me...I'm special. I want a blue argyle colored iPad, I want a pair of limited edition custom Nike shoes, I want a Challenger to my specifications".  

[Ghoste]

  < Ponch

[Ponch ®]

< Ponch

just illustrating the point that the line between a petulant teen broad on "My Super Sweet 16" and grown men car enthusiasts can be a thin one.

[Dino]

< Ponch

just illustrating the point that the line between a petulant teen broad on "My Super Sweet 16" and grown men car enthusiasts can be a thin one.

Has the line been proven?

[Ghoste]

Was it ever in question?

[Chryco Psycho]

I talked with a Chrysler exec & he told me they released unlimited amouts of the PT & Magnum & both quickly lost the public interest to the point where sales dropped & car were left sitting on lots unsold so with the Chall they used a different plane with limited color runs & models to keep the interest & demand high Mustang has done the same thing with Bullitts , Cobras , Mach 1 , GT , etc models

[Cooter]

Gimme the damn thiung MY WAY like Chrysler used to dammit.

Oh you spoiled kids nowadays and your sense of entitlement. "Me Me Me...I'm special. I want a blue argyle colored iPad, I want a pair of limited edition custom Nike shoes, I want a Challenger to my specifications".  

Now ponch, I prolly got you by a few years "kid"...No "Entitlement" here, as if I have the MONEY, that makes me "king" and if you are willing to take on up the ass on a new car, then by all means, but I refuse to unless I get what I want...

Spoiled? Don't think so, as I don't own an "ipod" or whatever. Nope, my phone is plain jane. My shoes? Nah, just whatever Wally world has on the shelf in my size and price range. Just a plain ol person that can actually figure out why my Big Block still pings

[Ponch ®]

Gimme the damn thiung MY WAY like Chrysler used to dammit.

Oh you spoiled kids nowadays and your sense of entitlement. "Me Me Me...I'm special. I want a blue argyle colored iPad, I want a pair of limited edition custom Nike shoes, I want a Challenger to my specifications".  

Now ponch, I prolly got you by a few years "kid"...No "Entitlement" here, as if I have the MONEY, that makes me "king" and if you are willing to take on up the ass on a new car, then by all means, but I refuse to unless I get what I want...

Spoiled? Don't think so, as I don't own an "ipod" or whatever. Nope, my phone is plain jane. My shoes? Nah, just whatever Wally world has on the shelf in my size and price range. Just a plain ol person that can actually figure out why my Big Block still pings

exactly. what YOU want. I mean, I could go on and on about why your phone sucks and why your wally world shoes aren't exactly worth the $15 you paid for them (and the arm the 12 year old Chinese kid lost while making them) - but it's really none of my concern. If you're happy with them, great. I have the money - and that makes me King - to squander on a smartphone and K-SWISS classics because they're what I want.

So if I'm perfectly happy with my 4 door Charger and Mrs. Ponch's Challenger because they're what I want and to ME it was money well spent...what's it to you? Who made you arbiter elegantiarum?

[Cooter]

Who made you arbiter elegantiarum?

Why Ponch,You did as soon as you Attacked my opinion here. And I believe you to be smarter than the big words you use here, so remember this, I'm not the only one who feels/thinks this way, just the only one that is willing to have this converstion with you. I hope I answered your question...Bye now...

[Ponch ®]

Who made you arbiter elegantiarum?

Why Ponch,You did as soon as you Attacked my opinion here. And I believe you to be smarter than the big words you use here, so remember this, I'm not the only one who feels/thinks this way, just the only one that is willing to have this converstion with you. I hope I answered your question...Bye now...

I attacked your opinion? You said it yourself...there are a lot of people who share your views. My earlier comments were a general statement aimed at those people and no one in particular. But hey, if the shoe fits...

[Ponch ®]

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FyO1PSTKqGg&feature=youtube_gdata_player

[Old Moparz]

Oh you spoiled kids nowadays and your sense of entitlement. "Me Me Me...I'm special. I want a blue argyle colored iPad, I want a pair of limited edition custom Nike shoes, I want a Challenger to my specifications".  

I've never picked out a color or an option on whatever vehicle I bought, I just picked the cheapest thing available that did what I wanted it to do. If my truck had been pink with white lace trim for mudflaps, I'd still have bought it.

The lace might even get me better MPG because of less wind resistance.   

[autodynamics]

Who made you arbiter elegantiarum?

Why Ponch,You did as soon as you Attacked my opinion here. And I believe you to be smarter than the big words you use here, so remember this, I'm not the only one who feels/thinks this way, just the only one that is willing to have this converstion with you. I hope I answered your question...Bye now...

I attacked your opinion? You said it yourself...there are a lot of people who share your views. My earlier comments were a general statement aimed at those people and no one in particular. But hey, if the shoe fits...

I think someone on this forum keeps getting piss In there cereal
Ewwwwww somebody is real bitter

[1970Moparmann]

Maybe need to get laid?

[autodynamics]

Lol ....... Some people.........