Buddy Baker's 200mph run

[tan top]

 always wondered if this  existed on film  ,   shame the commentator is talking over the sound of the Hemi all the time  , 
but you can still hear it if you crank up the sound 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vdwhM5xB-8Y

[nascarxx29]

Good footage 

[hemi68charger]

Now, that was cool !!!!

[WINGIN IT]

Very cool.
Love the way the announcer describes the car 30 secs in his " wing-ed Dodge ... "   

[held1823]

isn't the announcer Chris Economaki?  i wonder if he recalls that day?

[41husk]

Very cool, I always thought he broke the record in the red 6 car

[C5X DAYTONA]

isn't the announcer Chris Economaki?  i wonder if he recalls that day?

I was thinking Chris too until Doug said Jim.    Jim is correct.  That is my final answer..        And Tan Top...  You sir, are the man...    Thanks for the find/post.   AWESOME...     

[68X426]

Thank you Tan Top. That's the Post of the Year. 

[Aero426]

isn't the announcer Chris Economaki?  i wonder if he recalls that day?

The announcer is Jim McKay, not Chris.  

[nascarxx29]

The video of run is date March 24-70.ABC news highlights mentions March 28-70

http://espn.go.com/abcsports/wwos/milestones/1970s.html

[Ghoste]

Made my day Tan Top!

[nascarxx29]

Great archive material good find 

http://www.thedodgegarage.com/history_nascar.html

[Golden-Arm]

Very cool, I always thought he broke the record in the red 6 car

he did. the first record was just for a stock car, in a closed course record. he was the first driver to go 200 mph in a closed course, with a "stock" car. he was also the first driver to go 200 mph in a race, this time with the red #6 at the southern 500.

[Aero426]

Very cool, I always thought he broke the record in the red 6 car

he did. the first record was just for a stock car, in a closed course record. he was the first driver to go 200 mph in a closed course, with a "stock" car. he was also the first driver to go 200 mph in a race, this time with the red #6 at the southern 500.

As mentioned the official closed course record was set in the blue #88 test Daytona owned by Chrysler.    But you will often see the record associated with the Owens #6 car, even in old magazines from back then.    But there is no connection to the #6 car in regards to the record.

As to the 200 mph race lap claim, period race reports clearly mention laps approaching 200 mph at the spring Talladega race in 1970, but not over 200.    Race laps over 200 would have been a significant event and been reported.     The claim has been made in recent years that a 200 mph lap was seen on a team stopwatch.   But that is not the same as official timing.   In other words, it is meaningless.

[oldcarnut]

Thanks for the post  .  Some other good clips on the side too.

[DAY CLONA]

Very cool, I always thought he broke the record in the red 6 car

he did. the first record was just for a stock car, in a closed course record. he was the first driver to go 200 mph in a closed course, with a "stock" car. he was also the first driver to go 200 mph in a race, this time with the red #6 at the southern 500.

Actually, the first driver/car to go OVER 200 mph in a closed course was a Bill Thomas Cheetah in 1965 at Daytona, the course was offered for just test runs of Thomas's 327 chevy powered "production" Cheetah (1500 lbs curb weight)...his unoffiicial run was 219 mph

[held1823]

isn't the announcer Chris Economaki?  i wonder if he recalls that day?

The announcer is Jim McKay, not Chris.  

ah, yes. i was thinking my guess was likely wrong, but for the life of me, i could not remember that name.

[tan top]

  
   still amazed of actually seeing this  after reading about it & looking at pictures for as long at i can remember 
its had  not been on youtube long by the looks of it , can't figure why it never came up before  , i'm always running chargers C500s daytonas  , superbirds & the grandnational drivers from back in the day on different search engines to see what comes up  

[nascarxx29]

A while back I searched and found Video files.Of people involved with wing car racing and veteran drivers and there storys.This stuff needs to be down loaded and saved .Before it disapears    

http://www.checkerstowreckers.com/old%20site/podcast.html

[nascarxx29]

Another good piece of vintage daytona footage in action 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rdcPSDunrtA

[tan top]

 

A while back I searched and found Video files.Of people involved with wing car racing and veteran drivers and there storys.This stuff needs to be down loaded and saved .Before it disapears    

http://www.checkerstowreckers.com/old%20site/podcast.html

Another good piece of vintage daytona footage in action  
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rdcPSDunrtA

 they are good links  !!  
the bobby isacc  daytona  one  was is awesome !!  was the same deal as the buddy baker  # 88  daytona  , read about it & looking at  pictures for years   ,   but seeing  the  # 71 daytona on the salt  in real life  well you know what i mean       !!  that was one of the first videos i saw on the internet when i got a computer prolly  8 or 9  years back  shame there was no sound !!

Thanks for the post  .  Some other good clips on the side too.

yes there are good clips !!  seem to be a few new ones  added every once in a while !! lot are from videos you can buy !! but a lot  must be from someones privite collection or something

 

[chargergirl]

Those Mopars ran too fast and got banned...hehee...wonder what will happen this time?

[THE CHARGER PUNK]

I love that 88# car, isnt it petty blue which is the same as corporation blue?

[Bob T]

Good clip Tan 
"just tickled to death with 200mph " 

[Aero426]

Those Mopars ran too fast and got banned...hehee...wonder what will happen this time?

For the record, the aerodynamic Fords also got banned.   Just sayin.

[Aero426]

I love that 88# car, isnt it petty blue which is the same as corporation blue?

Corporation Blue is accepted as Petty Blue on the street cars, but it's really not exactly the same as the race car color.    If you want to step into a real hornets nest,  ask ten model car builders what the "correct" shade of Petty Blue is.  

[learical1]

Doug, that picture of Lee Roy reminded me of several stories about why Ford ran the exhaust out the rear instead of the usual side exit for some races.  Rumors about messing with the ability of another car to draft or the rear car in a draft overheating because hot exhaust was passing through the radiator.    Don't mean to hijack this thread, but enquiring minds (at least mine) want to know the straight dope.

[Aero426]

As far as I know Bruce, it was to make drafting more difficult.   I don't know if there was a performance advantage.   I have never seen a document as such.     I have to say, those pipes out the back are a good looking setup.

[RTDaddy]

Herb Nab ran those pipes out the back specifically to overheat a car drafting Leeroy.  Nascar out-lawed the practice because it was thought the drafting driver might get "gassed" by the CO2, (and it tended to defeat the "slingshot.").

"IF YOU'RE UNDER CONTROL, YOU AIN'T GOING FAST ENOUGH."

[Aero426]

It worked equally well for Dodges too.    These were allowed in USAC into at least 1972. 

[tan top]

It worked equally well for Dodges too.    These were allowed in USAC into at least 1972.  

am i right in thinking  this yellow & black daytona   , must be the  chrysler engineering #88 daytona   never realised it before 

http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,85143.175.html

[Aero426]

It worked equally well for Dodges too.    These were allowed in USAC into at least 1972.  

am i right in thinking  this yellow & black daytona   , must be the  chrysler engineering #88 daytona   never realised it before  

http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,85143.175.html

It's not the same car.    The #88 was given to Don by Ronney Householder in 1971 to run on his own.  You will see it as car #5.    It has nothing to do with any car that Don White drove before 1971.

Don's #3 Daytona was a car he drove in 1970 for Ray Nichels as the factory Dodge in USAC.   No doubt it was his long track Charger 500 in 1969 (he had two cars) and likely was a '68 Charger race car the year before.    In 1971, Ray Nichels sold this car to Butch Hartman's team.  So it then became a #75 Hartman car joining the very competent Nichels built car they already had.   I was told that the Hartman's paid $25k  (heap big money for a three year old car),  because the car was perceived to have the latest tweaks as the factory ride.   Whereabouts today are unknown.  

The 1970 car that I am blathering on about can always be identified by the two square cooling openings below the headlights.   It often has a little lip of metal added to the top of the LH headlight opening to grab a little more air, and it often ran the square cooling ducts attached to the drivers.    The cooling vents are the give-away.   On the wing upright is the word "Chiquita", as a "flying banana" reference.

[tan top]

It worked equally well for Dodges too.    These were allowed in USAC into at least 1972.  

am i right in thinking  this yellow & black daytona   , must be the  chrysler engineering #88 daytona   never realised it before  

http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,85143.175.html

It's not the same car.    The #88 was given to Don by Ronney Householder in 1971 to run on his own.  You will see it as car #5.    It has nothing to do with any car that Don White drove before 1971.

Don's #3 Daytona was a car he drove in 1970 for Ray Nichels as the factory Dodge in USAC.   No doubt it was his long track Charger 500 in 1969 (he had two cars) and likely was a '68 Charger race car the year before.    In 1971, Ray Nichels sold this car to Butch Hartman's team.  So it then became a #75 Hartman car joining the very competent Nichels built car they already had.   I was told that the Hartman's paid $25k  (heap big money for a three year old car),  because the car was perceived to have the latest tweaks as the factory ride.   Whereabouts today are unknown.  

The 1970 car that I am blathering on about can always be identified by the two square cooling openings below the headlights.   It often has a little lip of metal added to the top of the LH headlight opening to grab a little more air, and it often ran the square cooling ducts attached to the drivers.    The cooling vents are the give-away.   On the wing upright is the word "Chiquita", as a "flying banana" reference.

oh right !!  thanks for sharing the info (Aero426)  appreciated ! love reading about this kind of Aero stuff 

[C5HM]

As far as I know Bruce, it was to make drafting more difficult.   I don't know if there was a performance advantage.   I have never seen a document as such.     I have to say, those pipes out the back are a good looking setup.

Doug, Per the dyno sheets I have seen from H&M, the long dumps were good for another 20-30 HP.