What is your definition of a "survivor"?

[Drache]

Does the car have to be 100% original or can you rebuild/replace some things?

Mainly things like a front end, brakes, exhaust, etc.

[Tilar]

Those would be normal maintenance items and wouldn't hurt survivor status. I would say that new interior, paint, fenders or that sort of thing would be crossing the line.   

[Ghoste]

That would be 100% my opinion.  Some of the loose fast definitions out there that I hear using the term definitely dont cut it by my reckoning.

[68X426]

Those would be normal maintenance items and wouldn't hurt survivor status. I would say that new interior, paint, fenders or that sort of thing would be crossing the line.   

Agreed. 

[XS29LA47V21]

Seems to be somewhat a range of cars for me at times with very original traits, the more original the better, but for description I think they should be factory original paint (ideally all the car). 

[ODZKing]

Nothing changed other than regular maintenance or repair.   

Those would be normal maintenance items and wouldn't hurt survivor status. I would say that new interior, paint, fenders or that sort of thing would be crossing the line.   

Agreed. 

[A34]

Here's one group of opinions:


CRITERIA: UNRESTORED/UNRESTIFIED MOPARS at least 25 years old. 80% each, of the paint, interior, and drive train must be as "factory installed or applied". It does not mean repainted to the correct color or rebuilt to the original specifications.
 
We want the display to present each vehicle to best represent it the way it is after it Survived all of these years. Maintenance and normal repairs are acceptable as well as minimal accident repair. Component replacement; such as belts, hoses, exhaust, tires, etc. is expected.
To maintain a high quality display, we recommend replacing components with similar items such as correct tire type and size, correct battery, stock appearing exhaust, correct hose clamps, Mopar belts, etc.


http://www.challengertaregistry.com/survivor.html

http://www.moparmusclemagazine.com/eventcoverage/mopp_0203_mels_major_survivor_group/index.html

[Ghoste]

BTW, Drache why do you ask?  You find a potential survivor?

[Drache]

BTW, Drache why do you ask?  You find a potential survivor?

Yeah but he wants $30,000 for it.  

Actually a friend send the picture and info to me.

[bakerhillpins]

Is that car from Canada? It certainly looks like the 3x green from CA listed on Ebay a while back.

Me thinks so: http://www.cars-on-line.com/54655.html  So 30k CA is what in US greenbacks?

Some Comps:

An un restored 68 that sold for around 30k here. Better color in my opinion but it doesn't have the steelies with dogs.  
http://www.cars-on-line.com/51720.html

There was an un-restored (advertised that way) T5 (5) for sale in FL. 69 383 console auto, AC, PB, tan vinyl top, tan interior. It was listed for quite some time for 35k. At least a year IIRC. Can't find that ad right now.

Nothing changed other than regular maintenance or repair.  

Those would be normal maintenance items and wouldn't hurt survivor status. I would say that new interior, paint, fenders or that sort of thing would be crossing the line.  

Agreed.  

+12

[bakerhillpins]

80% each, of the paint, interior, and drive train must be as "factory installed or applied".

How do you figure %s on that for say parts like drive train?? If you loose a motor is that 1/3rd or is it by weight, or volume? 

[surmanajaja]

If I am buying a survivor ( I wish,, ) then it should be original paint, maybe a fender or a door repainted because of accident or something, thats ok. original engine, can have add-ons from the day and normal tune-up etc maintenance,original interior with maybe recovered drivers seat or something small like that. those are the most important things, if the trans has been overhauled or rear gears changed, I wont mind.

If I am not buying the car, then I would call a survivor a car with a single repaint made before 1989, if everything else is original and not restored.

[XS29L9Bxxxxxx]

80% each, of the paint, interior, and drive train must be as "factory installed or applied".

How do you figure %s on that for say parts like drive train?? If you loose a motor is that 1/3rd or is it by weight, or volume? 

Non-orig motor = Non survivor.

The Corvette guys have all this figured out already 

[XS29L9Bxxxxxx]

Does the car have to be 100% original or can you rebuild/replace some things?

Mainly things like a front end, brakes, exhaust, etc.

If it was under the big red and white tent at carlisle, it was a Survivor 

[XS29LA47V21]

Does the car have to be 100% original or can you rebuild/replace some things?

Mainly things like a front end, brakes, exhaust, etc.

If it was under the big red and white tent at carlisle, it was a Survivor

 We agree to disagree, I no issues with my B5 RT 4spd w/ original paint & non-number motor.... anywhere in my head, go find any motor option 69 in any color presentable these days.    I am confused, so now we are the vette set too, please no.  

F3 I am with you bud. 

[RallyeMike]

Mostly original paint and interior. Numbers matching drive train. That is the minimum requirements, and the level of "survivor" goes up from there....

[maxwellwedge]

Mostly original paint and interior. Numbers matching drive train. That is the minimum requirements, and the level of "survivor" goes up from there....

+1

[hemi68charger]

Does the car have to be 100% original or can you rebuild/replace some things?

Mainly things like a front end, brakes, exhaust, etc.

According to the last time I talked to the gentleman that organizes Carlisle and other Mopar ticket events, the paint is to be about 75-85%, the interior the majority if not all, original engine/tranny/rear axle. I forget his name, but I discussed this with him about my former '71 Charger R/T survivor. The 'Vette world has a totally different translation of "survivor" as well as NBC.. 

[A383Wing]

Strange that this topic came up...I was gonna basically ask the same questions about my 2 cars here...what do you guys think...

1st car) 1966 Charger, 160,000 miles,original 383 (never opened up), manual trans, rear end, & paint...I only redid the interior a couple years ago because the front seats were held together with duct tape and the carpets were worn out...

2nd car) 1973 Pontiac Grandville convert, 58,000 mile car, everything still original except for the new top and some engine gaskets due to it's sitting for 14 years and never run...

So, my question is....survivor, original, or something else?

[Cooter]

I think the term "Survivor" is being kicked around nowadays because it used ot be "Hemi car" this, and "440 SIX PACK" that, that brought the money..

Now, it seems the "collector" cround has gotten on a "Survivor" kick and are paying for 'em. So, therefore, everything from granny's 1978 Nova 4dr, 250 6 cyl. , with original Puke green paint and piss yellow interior is a "Survivor"...

[XS29L9Bxxxxxx]

Does the car have to be 100% original or can you rebuild/replace some things?

Mainly things like a front end, brakes, exhaust, etc.

If it was under the big red and white tent at carlisle, it was a Survivor

 We agree to disagree, I no issues with my B5 RT 4spd w/ original paint & non-number motor.... anywhere in my head, go find any motor option 69 in any color presentable these days.    I am confused, so now we are the vette set too, please no.  

F3 I am with you bud. 

Are you suggesting that a car - any car, with a non-original motor is a "survivor"?

If so, what has it survived? 

[Fred]

In my opinion it doesn't matter how much of a rust bucket it is when you find it.................if you restore it (using either original or after market parts) back to it's original state, , then it's a survivor.

[Tilar]

In my opinion it doesn't matter how much of a rust bucket it is when you find it.................if you restore it (using either original or after market parts) back to it's original state, , then it's a survivor.

That would be like cleaning up a set of old used exhaust manifolds and having them coated and looking new and calling them NOS. It just doesn't quite work like that.

[Magnumcharger]

I had the pleasure of getting a very up-close and personal look at that particular F8 Charger when I saw it at a Mopar show last summer.

To call it a 'Survivor' is a bit of a stretch. A goodly portion of one quarterpanel as repainted after a rust repair was performed.
There is also lots of other areas that desperately need repair, including other rust issues.
The car is absolutely covered in dents and dings, especially the doors.

IMHO, the car is worth maybe $15K. Sure it's a '69 Charger, but she's rough. And it's not an R/T, or a four-speed, or an SE even.

AFAIK, it's a good point to start a restoration from.

[charger490]

my 58 plymouth i bought from a farm wife with 80000 miles on it. she never drove it in the winter .i have done nothing to it except plugs, points, tires.it has 93000 miles on it now.it had plastic on the seats when i bought it so they are in great shape. i was told to not even clean the engine.

Survivor  yes or no