kelsey hayes recall wheel

[nelson_audet]

in 1969, when chrysler recall the kelsey wheel. Wich wheel chrysler put on the charger customers, instead of the recall wheel ?


full chrome magnum 500 wheel?
road wheel 14 inch with trim ring ?

thanks

[bull]

Was there a standard replacement? Seems like they would have asked the customer what they wanted and adjusted the difference in the price, but I'm just guessing.

[nascarxx29]

There was a red hemi 500 coded for W23 recall .It got the 69 Polara type hubcaps.Not sure what caps you get if you have 14 inch rims   

[XS29LA47V21]

So I will fish on this question again, would these covers be correct for a 69 500, if coded for hub caps, if so what code?

[nelson_audet]

if i understand corectly,

the guy receive a recall for their wheel and the dealer changed the beautifull kelsey hayes wheel for a set of non-sport full wheel cover??? with a money return...

[hemi68charger]

So I will fish on this question again, would these covers be correct for a 69 500, if coded for hub caps, if so what code?

Jason,
The only similar full wheel cover on the chart, to include the steering wheels in the other thread here would be W11. But, those don't look right on your car. Are those 14"s or 15"s?

[nelson_audet]

w15 and w18 are beautifull wheel cover!

[charge69]

I do not know which wheelcovers are correct for the 500 model but, my car had deluxe wheelcovers on the buildsheet (code W11 on the sheet and part no. 2881753 on the package) and were supplied on the factory Hemicars and some C-body Dodges,  Chryslers and Plymouths from 1967 thru 1969. The wheels shown by XS29.... are very similar but different in the paint scheme as the Charger, etc. passenger car covers did not have as much red on them. Those wheelcovers are from a Dodge truck from 1967-1971. Both are 15" covers, incidently.

To know which wheelcovers came with the car you have you need the buildsheet to actually confirm it. By the way, mine was coded for the W11 deluxe wheelcovers and the wheel code is W25 which, apparently, is the code for the black steelies on my car. This code is not there when I look on MyMopar.com's website at their code listings but is on my buildsheet.

[moparstuart]

There was a red hemi 500 coded for W23 recall .It got the 69 Polara type hubcaps.Not sure what caps you get if you have 14 inch rims   

yup   

[maxwellwedge]

W25 = 69-70  Wheels  HD  Stamped

[maxwellwedge]

69 Parts book

[charge69]

Thanks maxwelldodge for the parts book info. The W11 wheelcovers, brand new, are pretty nice looking on a wheel and they are still being considered for my build. Also, the code W25, has to be the HD black wheels as I am sure that is what I have and are original to the car. Thanks for the info. as I just cannot find it except on my buildsheet. By the way, that part no. (2881753 in the parts book) does confirm I have 4 NOS wheelcovers just waiting to go on the car. Tough decision about the wheelcovers as they look very nice in person and originally came on my Charger.

[C500]

So I will fish on this question again, would these covers be correct for a 69 500, if coded for hub caps, if so what code?

Those wheels are supposed to come out on hemi cars only. If coded for your car, there's an exception to the rule.

[tan top]

There was a red hemi 500 coded for W23 recall .It got the 69 Polara type hubcaps.Not sure what caps you get if you have 14 inch rims    

There was a red hemi 500 coded for W23 recall .It got the 69 Polara type hubcaps.Not sure what caps you get if you have 14 inch rims   

yup   

[1cuda]

this is my first post on this great forum-i have an early build date 69 r/t with w23 recall wheels on the buildsheet-the car is wearing full chrome (no trimring) 14 inch magnum 500 wheels that i believe are 100% correct as the factory replacements. the car is still in the original paint -never been messed with-all original belts and hoses-a real reference to how things were done at the st louis plant. it still has the zerk plugs in the front suspension.
it has a 14 inch tire label on the car-frank badalson said that it was a minimum tire label that was put on the car even though it was scheduled to have 15 inch wheels on the buildsheet. car is tx9 with red interior and red bumblebee. the hood decals are textured black in the scoop area.  the only thing it`s missing is the am/fm radio that i have pics of before it came out to australia but the mopar person who was the middle man when i bought the car many years ago must have pulled it out before it got shipped out to australia.(where i am). when i asked him about it he got nasty but said he had a correct one for the car if i wanted to buy one...anyway-i`ve waffled a bit from the original question so my belief is early style chrome magnum 500 wheels.
all the best
frank

[Just 6T9 CHGR]

this is my first post on this great forum-i have an early build date 69 r/t with w23 recall wheels on the buildsheet-the car is wearing full chrome (no trimring) 14 inch magnum 500 wheels that i believe are 100% correct as the factory replacements. the car is still in the original paint -never been messed with-all original belts and hoses-a real reference to how things were done at the st louis plant. it still has the zerk plugs in the front suspension.
it has a 14 inch tire label on the car-frank badalson said that it was a minimum tire label that was put on the car even though it was scheduled to have 15 inch wheels on the buildsheet. car is tx9 with red interior and red bumblebee. the hood decals are textured black in the scoop area.  the only thing it`s missing is the am/fm radio that i have pics of before it came out to australia but the mopar person who was the middle man when i bought the car many years ago must have pulled it out before it got shipped out to australia.(where i am). when i asked him about it he got nasty but said he had a correct one for the car if i wanted to buy one...anyway-i`ve waffled a bit from the original question so my belief is early style chrome magnum 500 wheels.
all the best
frank

Welcome to the site Frank!  Please post up some pics of your car.  Love to see unrestored examples....start a new thread!!

[hemigeno]

In the last picture tan top posted, the C500 at the top appears to have black-painted steel wheels rather than body-colored.  Wonder if that was another Hemicar originally built with recall wheels that had them changed out?   

The W11 "turbine" style wheel cover was used in 1968, and that's one of the replacement options available on W23 cars whose wheels were changed.  Weren't non-Hemi cars supposed to get Road Wheels, since that was the next-highest-cost wheel available at the time?  I think there's mention made of that in the recall wheel notice from Chrysler.  I would say the chromed-rim 1968 style wheels mentioned by 1cuda (welcome to the site, BTW - would love to hear and see more of your car!!) are possible, if the dealership had an extra set laying around.  All this recall activity happened really early in the 1969 model year, which was the first year for the brushed trim ring in lieu of the chromed rim.  It's plausible that a dealership changed out the wheels and used what they had on hand - but early photographic evidence would be a huge plus.

[Alaskan_TA]

I may be over thinking it, but here goes.....


The recall wheels on B-bodies were 15".

The only other available 15" replacement were steel wheels.

The steelies could have had the original tires swapped on to them.

If any 14" wheel option was used, it would have cost extra since it would mean new tires & a transmission pinion gear swap so that the speedometer still read true.

[Alaskan_TA]

A couple original letters about the recall at the following links;

http://www.hamtramck-historical.com/images/dealerships/DealershipLetters/68_W23%20recall%20wheels%209-10-1968.jpg

http://www.hamtramck-historical.com/images/dealerships/DealershipLetters/8-10-1968%20cast%20wheel%20recall.jpg

[hemigeno]

I wish I could find the source for this document again, as I accidentally re-wrote the smaller version over the large file size several years back   

[tan top]

this is my first post on this great forum-i have an early build date 69 r/t with w23 recall wheels on the buildsheet-the car is wearing full chrome (no trimring) 14 inch magnum 500 wheels that i believe are 100% correct as the factory replacements. the car is still in the original paint -never been messed with-all original belts and hoses-a real reference to how things were done at the st louis plant. it still has the zerk plugs in the front suspension.
it has a 14 inch tire label on the car-frank badalson said that it was a minimum tire label that was put on the car even though it was scheduled to have 15 inch wheels on the buildsheet. car is tx9 with red interior and red bumblebee. the hood decals are textured black in the scoop area.  the only thing it`s missing is the am/fm radio that i have pics of before it came out to australia but the mopar person who was the middle man when i bought the car many years ago must have pulled it out before it got shipped out to australia.(where i am). when i asked him about it he got nasty but said he had a correct one for the car if i wanted to buy one...anyway-i`ve waffled a bit from the original question so my belief is early style chrome magnum 500 wheels.
all the best
frank

 wow !! sounds like a awesome Charger you got there Frank     unrestored Eh ! would love to see some pictures sometime ..

In the last picture tan top posted, the C500 at the top appears to have black-painted steel wheels rather than body-colored.  Wonder if that was another Hemicar originally built with recall wheels that had them changed out?  

The W11 "turbine" style wheel cover was used in 1968, and that's one of the replacement options available on W23 cars whose wheels were changed.  Weren't non-Hemi cars supposed to get Road Wheels, since that was the next-highest-cost wheel available at the time?  I think there's mention made of that in the recall wheel notice from Chrysler.  I would say the chromed-rim 1968 style wheels mentioned by 1cuda (welcome to the site, BTW - would love to hear and see more of your car!!) are possible, if the dealership had an extra set laying around.  All this recall activity happened really early in the 1969 model year, which was the first year for the brushed trim ring in lieu of the chromed rim.  It's plausible that a dealership changed out the wheels and used what they had on hand - but early photographic evidence would be a huge plus.

[UFO]

I wish I could find the source for this document again, as I accidentally re-wrote the smaller version over the large file size several years back   

Gene,Click on pages 1 & 2 for a larger scan.
http://wwnboa.org/khw.htm

[UFO]

So I will fish on this question again, would these covers be correct for a 69 500, if coded for hub caps, if so what code?

The centers on those caps are what trucks had.Not sure if cars without disc brakes got the same center.
There is a thread regarding the center cap part number on here somewhere.A little (or maybe a lot ) searching should find it.

[hemigeno]

I wish I could find the source for this document again, as I accidentally re-wrote the smaller version over the large file size several years back   

Gene,Click on pages 1 & 2 for a larger scan.
http://wwnboa.org/khw.htm

Right click... Save...

Thanks, Brian!

[ph23vo]

So I will fish on this question again, would these covers be correct for a 69 500, if coded for hub caps, if so what code?

Those wheels are supposed to come out on hemi cars only. If coded for your car, there's an exception to the rule.

my 69 PLYMOUTH FURY VIP 383-4 BBL has W23 recall wheels too.. they supposedly made 20 of them..broadcast sheet luckily was intact!

[Ghoste]

Really?  Thats interesting.  Are they still on there and do you have any pics?

[odcics2]

I wish I could find the source for this document again, as I accidentally re-wrote the smaller version over the large file size several years back   

Keep i mind the photo on the left has the wrong center cap.  The never had a "point" in the middle. I had one NOS in the Mopar bag years ago. It was grainy and had a little bit of a dome shape.

[odcics2]

I believe the wheel was recalled, not the tires, therefore the 15" tires were put on a plain 15" steel wheel with the small nut cover or a full 15" wheel cover - like the Polara.

[hatersaurusrex]

So why were they recalled, weakness or failure?    Is there any kind of premium on a set that have survived or does the recall status mean they're relegated to junk-lore?

[Ghoste]

They had a tendency to have the lug nuts loosen up if you didn't watch them and it led to cracking aorund the hub.

[odcics2]

So why were they recalled, weakness or failure?    Is there any kind of premium on a set that have survived or does the recall status mean they're relegated to junk-lore?

Had a set where the ribs on the back of the wheel were beginning to crack towards the center lug area. Eventually, the wheel would fail, leaving the center on the car and the rest not!   The set was painted flat black and was hand stamped P O L I C E on the back.  I believe they were test wheels on Michigan State Police cars.   

[Ghoste]

That would have been an unusal choice for police service.  I mean, I'm sure they trial all kinds of wheels because you have know, right?  But any aluminum rim over the tried and true heavy duty steel ones the cops prefer just seems strange.

[Patronus]

These are a nice looking wheel.. Who was reproducing them? Are they still spendy?

[Ghoste]

Wasn't it Stockton?

[Patronus]

 I think that was the site I remember but they're not there. (not that Im buying) Just looking. I def have a prob w/ wheels, I want em all!

[odcics2]

That would have been an unusal choice for police service.  I mean, I'm sure they trial all kinds of wheels because you have know, right?  But any aluminum rim over the tried and true heavy duty steel ones the cops prefer just seems strange.

Just for testing - probably up n down I-75...     But I know what I saw.  Every other KH wheel I ever saw had no cracks at all...

[ph23vo]

yes wheels are on it and has broadcast sheet also!

[ph23vo]

b7 blue. blue int 383 4 bbl.. all #'s  1 of 20

[odcics2]

Wrong trim rings.

[ph23vo]

yep  used c body..look better anyway...the originals keep falling off is why... garbage clips.. impossible to get as you know....

[Kern Dog]

That is a nice looking wheel, far better than a hubcap.

[ph23vo]

had them on my 68 383-S also for the last 35 years..14" trim rings stay on much better..