69 Charger 500 @ Mecum

[TheAutoArchaeologist]

The rest of the pictures

http://www.flickr.com/photos/hemipwr70/sets/72157627693927688/

[tan top]

    thats been up for sale for a few years  !!  fliped from dealer to dealer ?? , remember the radio delete    , nice car  

good pictures !! thanks for posting Ryan 

[XS29LA47V21]

  thats been up for sale for a few years  !!  fliped from dealer to dealer ?? , remember the radio delete    , nice car  

needs a good home, another one on the market quite a while, not unlike the realistate market I suppose.... not many buyers at those prices at this time.  It sure would look good next to mine, but not at that 150-160k price or what ever it is/was.....  One of my favorites with white.

[TheAutoArchaeologist]

Ah ok, I didn't know this had been "around the block before".

Well then just enjoy some nice Charger 500 pics.

[pettybird]

It's back here in Ohio again along with the other five car we took that didn't sell.  It certainly deserved more than the $80k it bid to, and that wasn't even a real money offer...

[TheAutoArchaeologist]

No, the interest in Mopars at the show (the few really nice ones that were there) was little.  I was seriously surprised by the lack of really nice cars.

[41husk]

I think it is going to get worse before it gets better.  The people who have money to spend on classic cars are not investing now until prices bottom out.  Not sure when that will happen but it aint there yet   This next year is the time for the guys that have always wanted classic cars, I mean car guys not investors, to jump in the game.  I think there will be some bargains out there as the economy gets worse

[nascarxx29]

No aero cars. But there was a show I seen last night on Velocity TV 205 channel at the Charottle Auto fair with Peter Klute Donnie Gould And Hyman LTD appraising sellers cars for sale.And a few owners sold there cars for less then they were originally looking to get

[41husk]

  yep! More people will be selling for less than they originaly wanted in fear of the bottom dropping out before they can get there price.  that Cale car was a steal of a deal, and I just think there will be more like that in the near future.  Not just mopar, all makes

[Xenon]

  thats been up for sale for a few years  !!  fliped from dealer to dealer ?? , remember the radio delete    , nice car  

needs a good home, another one on the market quite a while, not unlike the realistate market I suppose.... not many buyers at those prices at this time.  It sure would look good next to mine, but not at that 150-160k price or what ever it is/was.....  One of my favorites with white.

At 80 it probably should of sold. Doesn't seem to be much history prior to Julius doing the car. And whats up
with that red stripe?  It is a nice looking car tho...
Just like in late 80's and early 90's.. 'Investors' drove prices up keeping  enthusiasts from affording cars.
Then market went to hell and same investors were trying hard to sell with minimun loss.. Cars  that
were being bought for over 100,, a year or two later going for half that or less.. I said it before and I
will say it again... This ain't 2008/9 any more, folks..  

[pettybird]

At 80 it probably should of sold. Doesn't seem to be much history prior to Julius doing the car. And whats up
with that red stripe?  It is a nice looking car tho...
Just like in late 80's and early 90's.. 'Investors' drove prices up keeping  enthusiasts from affording cars.
Then market went to hell and same investors were trying hard to sell with minimun loss.. Cars  that
were being bought for over 100,, a year or two later going for half that or less.. I said it before and I
will say it again... This ain't 2008/9 any more, folks..  

I must have missed the memo that rotisserie restored Hemi 500's are $50,000 cars again.  Gosh, what were we thinking?  Thank GOD there are experts like you around to keep our feet on the ground. 

Even if we keep in mind 'this ain't 2008/9 any more, folks,' that's when hemi 500's went for more than $200,000.

[hemi68charger]

... And whats up
with that red stripe?...

Am I missing something? It looks perfectly legit to me and an obvious color choice based on the available colors back then.........

[moparstuart]

... And whats up
with that red stripe?...

Am I missing something? It looks perfectly legit to me and an obvious color choice based on the available colors back then.........

   waynes 440 car  white with red interior , red stripe   

[charger_fan_4ever]

I'm all for prices coming down. For real car guys that love the car who cares what its worth ? I could only dream of a turn key 440 C500 for 20k.

Only people that would lose out would be the real car guys that bought for big $$. Which would be a minority. Seems like most big dollar cars owned by enthusiasts were snatched up way before the price boom.

[Mopurr]

Yes, what are you implying about the stripe......it was a factory option in that color.....one of my favorites on white.

If you are questioning the correctness of the color and not something else, perhaps your  should be elsewhere where your knowledge/comment regarding the market value would make more sense, because if you didn't know white/red combo on a an Aero car you don't know the aero cars and that even in a soft market an Aero will still be pulling more $$ than the average muscle car....Which you just classed this one when you implied $50,000 value would have made the $80,000 a grab and go be glad you got it amount.

[Xenon]

No where did I imply I am an expert..
Worth is determined by what a market will pay.. Obviously at that auction that car was only worth
80$..
Waynes car is gorgeous. And the stripe probably was original to that car. And whoever put it on
looks like they did a pretty god job.. Marker light bezels are stripe color.
However, that hemi C500 did not come with a stripe originally. Hence the V68 on tag.
Does it make the car look better,, he11 yes..   So why not put five spoke wheels on it too..
And lets put in power steering to make it easier to drive.. Afterall,, p/s is not on fender tag..

As a few have commented the market is soft right now and will probably get more so. It is more
a buyers market than a sellers market. The rarer the car the more correct it should be and the
more documentation should be provided.
And again, I think that car is beautiful. I like the color combo, I like how it is optioned, and yes,
the stripe looks good on it. Would I spend 160 on it.. Nope.. And looks like no one else wants to
at this time either.

[moparstuart]

all 500's are coded stripe delete from the factory so the R/T stripe was not applied  , because they were going to creative to be transformed into 500's  .     waynes markers where actually white before resto , but his car had wrong stripe on it so who know about the marker why they were white .

[Xenon]

all 500's are coded stripe delete from the factory so the R/T stripe was not applied  , because they were going to creative to be transformed into 500's  .  

Stuart, mebbe so and not to give you a hard time, but THAT car did not ship with a stripe on it.. 

[moparstuart]

all 500's are coded stripe delete from the factory so the R/T stripe was not applied  , because they were going to creative to be transformed into 500's  .  

Stuart, mebbe so and not to give you a hard time, but THAT car did not ship with a stripe on it.. 

then you must have alot more inside info then we do ?    day 1 pictures  ? are you the original owner  ?

[pettybird]

yes, please explain why you know THAT car didn't ship with a stripe.


you know ALL chrysler aero cars are coded as stripe delete, right? 


and you're just on a roll.  duh the market will determine price.  thanks, adam smith.  that said, the 80k bid was FAKE.  mecum's auction wranglers bump the bid on damn near everything to get people interested in the car.  since our reserve was nearly twice that high they didn't think twice about calling out bids.  there was no real money on the car.  I was sitting in the car, driving it across the block.  NO discussion of real money was made, unlike the '66 hemi satellite we also took.

[XS29LA47V21]

 



Consensus remains, If you need a view FWIW we would expect to see some details indicated changes to RTs (assuming original sht metal obviously).   Bondo color seems consistant on my cars, but clearly the applicators of the each varied and one is way more sloppy then the other. 

This white boomshell I think is a rare case, separating itself from the economy slightly by its options and holding it to values above a "quality resto costs" or the lower values where some cars might be perceived at or maybe really going, unless an owner HAS TO make it go away to a shark...... not all sellers have to sell, might consider not using the economy values for some cars/owners.

[69_500]

Since people are pointing out the errors in the one poster I'll join in. Its a V88 on the fender tag not a V68. I have only heard of a handful of cars that are known to have been sold new without any stripes on them (as far as the C500's are concerned). And this car is not one of those.

As far as the bezels in my opinion on the overwhelming majority of unrestored cars I have looked at on C500's the bezels are typically body color not stripe color like on other R/T's.

[pettybird]

Since people are pointing out the errors in the one poster I'll join in. Its a V88 on the fender tag not a V68. I have only heard of a handful of cars that are known to have been sold new without any stripes on them (as far as the C500's are concerned). And this car is not one of those.

As far as the bezels in my opinion on the overwhelming majority of unrestored cars I have looked at on C500's the bezels are typically body color not stripe color like on other R/T's.

yep repro fender tag but the car has the real build sheet.  were side stripes of some sort available in '69?  we have a '70 stripe delete R/T at work and it has V68 also, but you COULD get side stripes on one of those. 

Didn't chrysler send a nastygram to creative RE the body colored bezels?

[Mopurr]

Thanks Danny, I hadn't had time to look the code up but driving home this evening my mind was saying V88 and I think if you look closely above that that is V88

Thought my mind was messing with me.

[hemi68charger]

Not sure about the story on the white fender tag, but with the V68 and no crease at all on the tag on the left. We all know the tags were bent up for inspection stampings and then placed flat and secured with a non-painted screw....... I'm left to think something's not right, i.e reproduction tag. I'm sure the car could have been delivered without a stripe from Creative. But, if memory serves me, there isn't a V6* anything in '69, it's a '70 thing........

[Mopurr]

if you look at it at the right angle you can see that it is V88 not V68.....paint looks a little thick but it is an 88

[RallyeMike]

As far as the bezels in my opinion on the overwhelming majority of unrestored cars I have looked at on C500's the bezels are typically body color not stripe color like on other R/T's.

This is very interesting. The 500 stripes were added at Creative, so it would seem that the marker light was not installed, the stripe went on, and then the marker replaced? Why would the marker light be out of the car in the first place? It doesnt seem necessary to do the required plug and deck work. 

[richRTSE]

if you look at it at the right angle you can see that it is V88 not V68.....paint looks a little thick but it is an 88

nope, definately says V68.  That wasn't even an option on 69s was it? I have an older picture of that cars tag, but can't tell if it says 88 or 68? 

[pettybird]

As far as the bezels in my opinion on the overwhelming majority of unrestored cars I have looked at on C500's the bezels are typically body color not stripe color like on other R/T's.

This is very interesting. The 500 stripes were added at Creative, so it would seem that the marker light was not installed, the stripe went on, and then the marker replaced? Why would the marker light be out of the car in the first place? It doesnt seem necessary to do the required plug and deck work. 

tail stripes on Chargers get put on over the holes, and then the material is cut away for the light itself.  think about it--if the stripes had the holes already in them, how much extra time would that take on the assembly line to get it just right?  by allowing the line workers to get it close enough for 1969, they could slap the stripes on in no time.

the marker lights were installed by chrysler.  chargers arrived as complete (or nearly complete--did chrysler keep the grilles like with the daytonas?) and creative had to take them apart.

lots of early cars had body colored bezels as chrysler forgot to tell creative that they needed to be stripe color. 

[nascarxx29]

  If you cant trust the fender tag.As it may been replaced .Found a copy of its buildsheet

[pettybird]

for the second time it IS A REPLACEMENT TAG.  and that broadcast sheet is sitting about four feet away from me.

[nascarxx29]

  Cant always take your word for it .You didnt know car was ever in NJ
http://www.carpictures.com/Dodge/Charger-Hemi-500-NASCAR-1969-05ILL301815279

[pettybird]

we bought the car before I was hired.  I head it came from the east coast, but who cares?  it was just there at a dealer flipping the car.  don't take my word for anything...see if I care.  shouldn't you be reposting that crashed picture of your superbird or some irrelevant picture of something that wasn't asked for? 

[hemi68charger]

for the second time it IS A REPLACEMENT TAG.  and that broadcast sheet is sitting about four feet away from me.

Once again, confirmation I should trust my gut.........

[richRTSE]

we bought the car before I was hired.  I head it came from the east coast, but who cares?  it was just there at a dealer flipping the car.  don't take my word for anything...see if I care.  shouldn't you be reposting that crashed picture of your superbird or some irrelevant picture of something that wasn't asked for? 

Doug, any chance there was a typo on the original tag and it originally said V68? I can't see someone spending all that money to restore a rare hemi car, order a new fender tag, and NOT verify the info is correct. We all know that the factory has made mistakes before....

[pettybird]

No.  I'm not sure who made it but Galen said it was fake, too...

I'd get another tag but I don't want to make another error.  Maybe I can bend Danny's arm to help me out 

[RallyeMike]

tail stripes on Chargers get put on over the holes, and then the material is cut away for the light itself.  think about it--if the stripes had the holes already in them, how much extra time would that take on the assembly line to get it just right?  by allowing the line workers to get it close enough for 1969, they could slap the stripes on in no time.

Interesting. So the bezel color typically only comes through on early cars vs. later ones?

My 500 was built in the middle of production. The stripe has been removed, and when I put it back on would it be most correct to leave the bezel body color?

[Xenon]

I noticed in the advert from 2005 ( http://www.carpictures.com/Dodge/Charger-Hemi-500-NASCAR-1969-05ILL301815279 )   it says: "  and also some picture from before the car was restored. "..
Anyone seen the pics? And I suspect if there is it is only the right side of the car..
Has anyone gotten a comprehensive history on this car?

[XS29LA47V21]

     

[pettybird]

I noticed in the advert from 2005 ( http://www.carpictures.com/Dodge/Charger-Hemi-500-NASCAR-1969-05ILL301815279 )   it says: "  and also some picture from before the car was restored. "..
Anyone seen the pics? And I suspect if there is it is only the right side of the car..
Has anyone gotten a comprehensive history on this car?

It didn't live a charmed life, I know that.  It was hit in the side (either not that hard OR Julius is a magician) and had typical midwestern rot.  The original 426 expired in the 70's and was replaced by a cobbled-up 383.  It went out west, and around 1995 Julius got his hands on it.  He did (in his words) a nice but not over the top restoration and sold the car.  It bounced around to a couple different dealers before winding up in our hands in a multicar deal. 

[tan top]

could be thinking of another  !! but  sure this C500 was in canada at some point also  early 90s    can't be sure if the one i'm thinking of had black interior  , but thinking  it was red 
will have to search through some stuff

[StoneCold]

could be thinking of another  !! but  sure this C500 was in canada at some point also  early 90s    can't be sure if the one i'm thinking of had black interior  , but thinking  it was red 
will have to search through some stuff

Different car if this is the one you're thinking of.

http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,78882.0.html

[tan top]

could be thinking of another  !! but  sure this C500 was in canada at some point also  early 90s    can't be sure if the one i'm thinking of had black interior  , but thinking  it was red  
will have to search through some stuff

Different car if this is the one you're thinking of.

http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,78882.0.html

thats it !  , thats  one i was thinking of , was in  Ontario i believe , good find      ,   forgot there was a thread on it , was a bout to start digging some magazines & stuff

[Xenon]

I noticed in the advert from 2005 ( http://www.carpictures.com/Dodge/Charger-Hemi-500-NASCAR-1969-05ILL301815279 )   it says: "  and also some picture from before the car was restored. "..
Anyone seen the pics? And I suspect if there is it is only the right side of the car..
Has anyone gotten a comprehensive history on this car?

It didn't live a charmed life, I know that.  It was hit in the side (either not that hard OR Julius is a magician) and had typical midwestern rot.  The original 426 expired in the 70's and was replaced by a cobbled-up 383.  It went out west, and around 1995 Julius got his hands on it.  He did (in his words) a nice but not over the top restoration and sold the car.  It bounced around to a couple different dealers before winding up in our hands in a multicar deal. 

So is this the only history you have on this car?

[nelson_audet]

why it is XS29 and not XX29 like other c500?

[richRTSE]

why it is XS29 and not XX29 like other c500?

http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,84606.0.html