XS to XX Charger 500 VIN - When did this change?

[RallyeMike]

I read somewhere here that the early C500 cars were XS.... VINs, and that it changed to XX.... VINs at one point, which was then carried through the Daytona line. Is it known where in the production date and/or VIN # sequence of the Charger 500s that this change occurred?

[nascarxx29]

I got info will see what I got

Daytona and 500 Registrations from  1976 wing warrior newsletter.It reads how many of you daytona and chargers 500 owners have the problem of possesing a registration slip showing maybe XS on the paperwork instead of XX.Well if you want to correct this error.Then heres what Mike Mcguire says you have to go through to straighten the matter out.As he had the same problem with his daytona.You write to James H Kilroy chrysler corporation office of civic affairs P.O. Box 1919 Detroit Michigan 48231.Include a copy of the title and picture of the car.And if possible a picture of the serial number on the dash.Or from the engine compartment plate.We recommend you use the dash.As we have seen a case where they even put XS on the engine compartment plate instead of XX as was on the dash.Mr Klilroy will inturn respond with a letter to your state DMV notorized stating he correct serial number.And they will in turn change the registration.Most of these problems were caused by an erroneous statement on the the factory title of origin..

[41husk]

Hemigeno knows much more about this than I do and has documentation, but I talked with a gentelman fro central Illinois who has a cream color Daytona with white tail that has a XS or XP vin on his Daytona.  He told me GG verified it.  When I went up to see Geno's Daytona, he verified it as well and that carried more wait with me than GG

[nascarxx29]

Cream maybe Y2 Dan Printz daytona

[nascarxx29]

This document shows XS but for the daytona

[moparstuart]

Hemigeno knows much more about this than I do and has documentation, but I talked with a gentelman fro central Illinois who has a cream color Daytona with white tail that has a XS or XP vin on his Daytona.  He told me GG verified it.  When I went up to see Geno's Daytona, he verified it as well and that carried more wait with me than GG

it has a mis print / mis stamp on the dash vin   XP     Y2 car

[41husk]

That would be the one stu!!!! thanks!

[RallyeMike]

So there wasnt a hard date where a wholesale change over from XS to XX identification was made during C500 production. I had assumed that a decision was made to identify these cars with XX on a certain production date and everything would change over, but the reality is that the engine stamping, body stamping, fender tag, VIN, and paperwork continued to be a mixed bag of XS and XX for some time and into Daytona production.....?

Interesting 

By the end of the Daytona run did they finally get things coordinated such that all of these identifiers were XX (other than errors)?

[maxwellwedge]

Danny may be able to guesstimate a date......he has a bunch on file.

Here is one thread on it     http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,66339.0.html

[moparstuart]

Danny may be able to guesstimate a date......he has a bunch on file.

   

 danny has a date where most of the 500's after that date are xx vins  but there are a few exceptions that slipped through after that time .    I know rick edward has a 500 with a later production date  december 68 i think and it has the xs vin  ,

[hemigeno]

By the end of the Daytona run did they finally get things coordinated such that all of these identifiers were XX (other than errors)?

Yep, that was the case.

Dan's is the only car that has an erroneous XS VIN tag as far as I know.  Even 287970 has a XX VIN, although it has some really odd rivets used when its original tag was replaced. 

[moparstuart]

By the end of the Daytona run did they finally get things coordinated such that all of these identifiers were XX (other than errors)?

Yep, that was the case.

Dan's is the only car that has an erroneous XS VIN tag as far as I know.  Even 287970 has a XX VIN, although it has some really odd rivets used when its original tag was replaced.  

i did take a picture of his vin it is an XP   not even an XS  so i feel it was a total mistake completely   .

[hemigeno]

D'oh!

You're right - I have a picture of it also in the hard drive somewhere.  That's what I get for trying to shoot out an answer on the fly from work.

[XS29LA47V21]

My two (incl. the one leaving) are both  XX and are Sept cars as I recall.   Isn't that XS stack are fairly small portion, under some thought of 20-30 cars or something?   In my youth I passed on a XS 500 because I was unsure at the time .  What about that B5 SE 500 in Fla this past spring, did that sell, that was a XS?

[RallyeMike]

Danny may be able to guesstimate a date......he has a bunch on file.

Here is one thread on it     http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,66339.0.html

Thanks. Yup. Part of the answer was there:

Nov 14 was the first dat they put XX on the dash tag for 500's. This happens to be the date of my 500. I have XX on the fender tag too, but XS on the engine and trans.

How long did it take for Chrysler to get the XX identifier on everything (body stamps, enigne, trans,)? Did it happen by the end of C500 run?

[69_500]

Lets see if I can clear things up somewhat.

OK on the 500's. There are a handful of cars that are XS on the dash, but at my last count it was 6 that had XS on the dash, and they also carry XS on the fender tags and engines on these cars. They are the exception and not the rule, and they are not consecutive cars or even in the same batches. They are scattered throughout the production run.

Starting with the first 500 (69's that is excluding the one 68 prototype which there is also a rumor about a second 68 but have been unable to find the car as of yet), they are XX on the dash but starting off they were XS on the fender tags and engines and trans. Then as you get passed the first batch of 5 cars you start to see cars that are XX on the dash, still XS on the fender tags, but XS on the engine and trans but with a "X" restamped over the "S". So they are double stamped on the block and trans but only the second digit is double stamped. Then you get to the third batch of cars and you have XX on the dash still, with XS on the fender tags, but XX on the engine and trans no longer are they double stamped. Then comes November 14th of 1968. This is the FIRST TIME you will see XX on the dash, XX on the fender tag and XX on the engine and trans. However the broadcast sheets will still state XS until the 18th of November of 1968. I have not seen a single car with a scheduled production date earlier than B14 that has XX on the fender tag or broadcast sheet. Nor have I seen one after November 20th with XS on the fender tag other than (3 of the odd balls that were discussed in the first 3 lines of this post, and they are XS everywhere on the car)

So it breaks down like this VINs 110610-13397x will follow the first part.
13399x-1425xx will be in the second group (everything before this is a HEMI car too. The first 26 that I have seen are all HEMI cars)
14255x-2106xx would be in the third grouping
2107xx-248666 would be the last group.

I have production dates as follows 821, 907, 914, 920, 927, 929, B06, B14, B18, B20, B22, B28, C04, C09, C11, C12, C13, C18, C19. With about 30% of the cars being made on B14 and B20. I have 79 cars listed with those 2 scheduled production dates out of the 267 that I have info on.

Does that make anything clearer?

[69_500]

This thread would probably be more help than the other one listed.

http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,8736.0.html

[maxwellwedge]

Thanks Danny   

[69_500]

I figure about the time that I actually sit down and type all of that out based off of what I have seen I'll run accross a car that does not fit any of those parameters. I mean with MOPAR we all know there are always exceptions. IE the car that are XS everywhere and oddly enough they don't even have A11 on the fender tags. The only thing that signifies they are a C500 is the SON of 925xxx.

[RallyeMike]

Lets see if I can clear things up somewhat.......


..........................................Does that make anything clearer?

Thanks! Yep.

The only thing that signifies they are a C500 is the SON of 925xxx.

I had no idea. Cool.

[moparchris]

My C500 is XX29J9B210742 but the block is a double stamp XX over an XS.  It is the original block for the car.
Never say never with Mopar.

[richRTSE]

My C500 is XX29J9B210742 but the block is a double stamp XX over an XS.  It is the original block for the car.
Never say never with Mopar.

My car is 162279 and has the XX vin, XS fendertag and build sheet, and the double stamp engine...

[XS29LA47V21]

Lets see if I can clear things up somewhat.......


..........................................Does that make anything clearer?

Thanks! Yep.

The only thing that signifies they are a C500 is the SON of 925xxx.

I had no idea. Cool.

Hate to admit it, I did not know that either, what do the next three numbers mean, anything important or relevant?

[69_500]

thanks for the pictures. I'll add them to the list of cars that I know of that are double stamped.

The 925xxx number is an indicator that its a C500. They are the only ones with a 925xxx number starting with 925001 for the first C500 and I have them all of the way up into 92574x's. The last three digits are unique to each car. Daytona's are 926xxx and 927xxx. The "9" at the begining signifies it being a special order. Not sure if there are 900xxx cars or not but I just know that all 925xxx cars are C500's.

[XS29LA47V21]

Cool, so reconfirms mine is a fairly early car, so where is 161 in your stack of 500s.  Do you recall any other threads on these numbers and related car options?

[maxwellwedge]

thanks for the pictures. I'll add them to the list of cars that I know of that are double stamped.

The 925xxx number is an indicator that its a C500. They are the only ones with a 925xxx number starting with 925001 for the first C500 and I have them all of the way up into 92574x's. The last three digits are unique to each car. Daytona's are 926xxx and 927xxx. The "9" at the begining signifies it being a special order. Not sure if there are 900xxx cars or not but I just know that all 925xxx cars are C500's.

The M-Code A12's (921,922, 948 and others) and the M-Code A-Bodies (1'st 440 69 Dart was 900900) were 9 series S.O.N.'s as well.

[nascarxx29]

http://www.cottonowens.com/1969_Charger500.shtml

"We found out that this was one of the very first Charger 500s produced," he says. "The serial number for the 500s, and later the Daytonas, began with the letters XX while the serial numbers for RT models began with XS. On this car, the fender tag has XS for the RT Charger because that's what it started out as. The serial number on the dash says XX, so we know it was one of the first Charger 500s to be produced. It probably came off the assembly line sometime in mid '68."

[69_500]

Cool, so reconfirms mine is a fairly early car, so where is 161 in your stack of 500s.  Do you recall any other threads on these numbers and related car options?

Your car (the black one anyways) is 57th when you sort them by VIN's sequentially. However there are several higher VIN'ed cars with lower SON than yours. I still can not find any sort of a rhyme or reason for their jumping up and down. All I know is that the first one is 925001 and the highest I have is 925743.

[nascarxx29]

Other than the 68 Charger 500 of Jerry S.The old Mike Russo 1st Charger 500 job number is  925000

[Alaskan_TA]

However there are several higher VIN'ed cars with lower SON than yours. I still can not find any sort of a rhyme or reason for their jumping up and down. All I know is that the first one is 925001 and the highest I have is 925743.

It happens with the M0 prefix AAR Cuda VONs also. In some places they jump and / or shuffle. My theory is that they were shuffled, literally. The stack of orders were sitting on a desk somewhere & they were looked through a few times, but not always returned in the correct order. The VON was assigned before the VIN, so I can see how it may have happened.

[XS29LA47V21]

However there are several higher VIN'ed cars with lower SON than yours. I still can not find any sort of a rhyme or reason for their jumping up and down. All I know is that the first one is 925001 and the highest I have is 925743.

It happens with the M0 prefix AAR Cuda VONs also. In some places they jump and / or shuffle. My theory is that they were shuffled, literally. The stack of orders were sitting on a desk somewhere & they were looked through a few times, but not always returned in the correct order. The VON was assigned before the VIN, so I can see how it may have happened.

I am gona run with you theory for a time in my head, until otherwise aligned, to step farther if the cars where assembly line done cars, maybe the shuffling was associated with matching some colors & options or got mixed with shipping/CI work, for maybe some ordered cars or some stretch along those lines....    I guess that aspect is not that important to me, but sure interesting.

Regarding the green heading north, I had no fender tag or build sht.....