New 72 Dodge Charger on the block, need advise plesae

[DR440]

Greetings gentleman.

Own a 77 Corvette and new to the Mopar scene.  Just picked myself up a 72 Dodge Charger Rallye. Factory triple black finish, Believed to be a One Of One special order.  Matching numbers.

Hoping you guys can help me out as I live in Australia.  It is fitted with a federal power steering pump and no surprise it has a buckled pulley. Press fit 3 spoke. Can anybody tell me where I can source one please.

I have tried all of the following:

bouchillonperformance.com
440 source
mancini racing,
year one
summit
jegs.


Summit seem to have and after market polished aluminium one but would prefer to stay original if I can

Any advise would be greatly appreciated

Some pics of the new toy

Original matching A833 4 speed incl. Pistol grip shifter the very rare super track pack option incl. Dana 60 rear end, also features power windows, power headlights, power disc brakes, power steering and the n96 ram charger hood scoop (which I believe was not supposed to be available in 72').

"In 1972 the muscle car era was winding down and hi performance was becoming a dirty word and with that in mind the 7 r/t was looking like it was going to be the last of the real hi-po chargers and the r/t logo was finished at the end of the model year. Fortunately 72' rolled along and the 440 was retained but now in a charger "rallye" but gone was the six pack option and grabber hood scoop (or so the brochures said) but a few 72's snuck through with the leftover performance options available in the 71' r/t's and this car is one of them."

Car is fully documented with build sheet, window sticker and all options are listed on the 2a original fender tags affixed to the inner guard. It is also documented by Galen Govier and is in the official Chrysler registry.

The things a man will buy just to have a glove box and a boot. 

[Paul G]

Welcome to the site. You have a beautiful 72! Congrats on the purchase. It was money well spent. 3rd gens are my favorite!

Cant help with the pulley. You may want to try asking that question in the "Engine, Transmission, Rearend, & Exhaust" section. Might get better response over there.

[67440chrg]

Great looking car! cant help with the part sorry. Thanks for the pictures.

[DR440]

Thanks lads

I'll post the question up in the other section as suggested here http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,84245.0.html 

[41husk]

Beautiful

[Nacho-RT74]

Beautiful

x1000

[RallyeMike]

Incredible car, and super-rare as optioned. IMO - it deserves to have the grilles returned to the stock chrome and argent color pattern.

The ramcharger hood was available in 72, however just like the 440+Dana+4speed as your car is equipped, it was put on very few cars. It should be indicated on your fender tag as N96.

[FlatbackFanatic]

Welcome to the site!! Great looking ride you have there!!

[DR440]

Thanks again lads.  Quite enjoying learning about these machines.  Quite different after playing with Corvettes.

Incredible car, and super-rare as optioned. IMO - it deserves to have the grilles returned to the stock chrome and argent color pattern...........

New to Mopar.  Can you give me more details on this point or point me to where I can read more on this matter.  I want to keep it as original as possible but with me living in Australia there is not much information locally that I yet can find.

....The ramcharger hood was available in 72, however just like the 440+Dana+4speed as your car is equipped, it was put on very few cars. It should be indicated on your fender tag as N96.

And it is.  

[Nacho-RT74]

Incredible car, and super-rare as optioned. IMO - it deserves to have the grilles returned to the stock chrome and argent color pattern...........

New to Mopar.  Can you give me more details on this point or point me to where I can read more on this matter.  I want to keep it as original as possible but with me living in Australia there is not much information locally that I yet can find.

the original finish




your question about the pulley... let's start NORMALLY by those years the saginaw steering pump was pretty much the standard equipment being this the easier assembly to find ( also better performance ), although I have found the federals even on lates including locally ( Venezuela ). I checked on ebay and couldn't find any federal pulley replacement and dunno which replacement will be the best from those vendors.

[tan top]

hello & welcome  DR440 ......

awesome  looking 3rd generation dude 

[Nacho-RT74]

and if factory triple black I'd install back the vinyl top , also would paint the hood black out and the vent gills decals

[DR440]

the original finish.........

your question about the pulley... let's start NORMALLY by those years the saginaw steering pump was pretty much the standard equipment being this the easier assembly to find ( also better performance ), although I have found the federals even on lates including locally ( Venezuela ). I checked on ebay and couldn't find any federal pulley replacement and dunno which replacement will be the best from those vendors.

That's what the grill is suppose to look like.  I thought that it was all black as part of the triple black finish.  Learning something new every day.

I'm quickly learning that this federal power steering pump issue is going to be a pain.  Haven't been game to drive the car much because of the buckled pulley and have not been able to source an original or repo pulley.  At this rate might have to swap to a Saginaw for ease of replacement parts.  Was so hoping to keep it as it as original as practicably possible.  Damm.

As far as the vinyl top, I'm vastly limited what I can do down here as far as supply goes..

Hood blackout?  vent gill decals?   Cant half tell that I'm very new to Mopars LOL!!

What does the triple black actually refer to please?

[Chryco Psycho]

Tri -black is Black paint , Black vinyl roof & black interior
yours is double black & friggin awesome !! I love 3rd gen Chargers

[DR440]

Tri -black is Black paint , Black vinyl roof & black interior
yours is double black & friggin awesome !! I love 3rd gen Chargers

Thanks.  I'm pretty chuffed at having it.  It certainly turns some heads down here the few times I have taking it out

I'm guessing during the restoration that the vinyl top was not put back on.  I have to say that I am rather partial to it being all completely all the same black as is.

So whats this hood blackout, is that referring to flat black paint so to speak?

Appreciate the feed back and assistance to date gentleman. 

[Chryco Psycho]

Yes Hood blackout is flat black over the bulge
I bet you rcar never had the vinyl roof , I prefer them without as well 
the fender tag will tell if it had a vinyl roof

[DR440]

Ok I'll check that.  Thanks

Don't suppose you know what the option number is by any chance?

[Chryco Psycho]

the 72 tags are different than the 70 - 71 if your car was built @ the G Plant You should have TX9 on the tag twice once for body color & once for roof , vinyl would be Vx9 , usually on the left side of the tag 2nd & 3rd line up from the bottom .there will also be a 4 digit code for with  either X or X9 for the interior code 

[DR440]

Thank you 

It's 1.30am here so hitting the sack but will check it out tomorrow and report back.

Thanks for the help.

[Chryco Psycho]

1:30 just time to get started LOL
Let us know what you find

[DR440]

I agree but as an Administrator on three car forums down here, and as your admins would know, it can keep you busy and be quite tiring.  This is the first chance I have actually been on a forum as a user.  It's nice to be on the other side of the fence for once.  LOL!!

I have so got to get my rear end over to the good old USA and get an education on these machines.

Will report back

Caio

[64dartgt]

If you send a photo of the exact pulley I will forward it to someone I know who is parting out nine 3rd gens.  I have to email him soon anyway.

[Paul G]

I am hunting parts for my 72 right now as well. I did find that Bouchillon Performance has the Hemi style press fit pulley for a Federal style pump. They dont list any other press fit pulleys for the Federal pump. Could you have the Hemi style on your 440?

[Nacho-RT74]

well I supossed the vinyl top because you said triple black, but if originally didn't came with black vinyl top is not a tripple black.

the door gills decals and flat black blackout hood over the bulge is just like this car:






Saginaw pump will require a diff bracketing

[ACUDANUT]

 You are a Lucky man.  That Rallye looks like a real hard find, and worth a ton of money.  I'd say no to a vinly roof, unless it originally had one...My 2 Rallye's have a half top which helps give it a more color break up..
Post a picture of the pulley and we will see what we can find for you.

[Johnny SixPack]

Sweet Charger, man! 

Congrats!

[CDN72SE]

Beautiful car, congrats.   Here are some examples with the stripes and such, not my car.


Hood blackout


Decklid stripe.

[Foreman72]

wow is that sweet... great 3rd gen 

[snagm z]

I know this car it was found in Maryland. I was sitting next to the owner at the time about 5or 6 years ago at a car show. the story from the guy i got was it was a garage car he found locally. the guy who bought it restored corvette gages for a living. Still looks good

[41husk]

The federal pumps come with two different shaft sizes, I had that problem with my 69 Bouchillon has the black for a 440 federal but you will need to know the shaft size.

[71charger]

Incredible car, and super-rare as optioned. IMO - it deserves to have the grilles returned to the stock chrome and argent color pattern.

The ramcharger hood was available in 72, however just like the 440+Dana+4speed as your car is equipped, it was put on very few cars. It should be indicated on your fender tag as N96.

not trying to hijack this thread but what would N95 be on a 71???

[DR440]

Thanks lads.  Appreciate the pics.  I now have an idea of what it originally looked like.

I'll check the pump shaft size and report back.  I was wandering if it was a Federal pump as used on the Hemi's as mentioned by Paul G.  I'm sure with your assistance I'll get to the bottom of this.  

[69bronzeT5]

SOOOOOOOO NICE!!!!! I absolutley LOVE your '72!!

[Rocpar]

Try www.steerngear.com.  They are located in Ohio.  They rebuilt a few power steering pumps and gear boxes for our restorations.

[Rocpar]

That is a very nice Charger that you picked up.  This is my friends car that helps us at the shows and the shop.  It is a true 72 Rallye, triple black 340, auto, N96 car.

[Laxy]

Congrats, looks absolutely mint and the 440 4-speed combo is drool-worthy! 

Have seen that car for sale for quite awhile over here and was hoping it would go to a good home, I reckon it was the sort of rare Mopar that would sell very quickly in the US but Australia would only have a few buyers interested in such specific rarity. What a beast!!

[DR440]

Try www.steerngear.com.  They are located in Ohio.  They rebuilt a few power steering pumps and gear boxes for our restorations.

I'll give them a try thanks  

In the meantime in case the above is a no go, the shaft size, which I could only measure with a ruler, looks to be 5/8" dia. Any other suggestion on where else I can try to get a new pulley, I'm all ears

Thanks lads

Congrats, looks absolutely mint and the 440 4-speed combo is drool-worthy!  

Have seen that car for sale for quite awhile over here and was hoping it would go to a good home, I reckon it was the sort of rare Mopar that would sell very quickly in the US but Australia would only have a few buyers interested in such specific rarity. What a beast!!

I have known Mick and Yvette, the owners of the business where I bought the beast, for some time now and have been drooling over the car ever since they bought it in.  Finally bit the bullet and bought it.

[aussiemuscle]

it deserves to have the grilles returned to the stock chrome and argent color pattern.

looks better black

[1972Rallye]

DR440-
Congrats on the purchase... the car is simply incredible! It is indeed a rare beast - I have the same combo (only in TB3 - Super Blue).  I keep a registry of '72 Rallye cars and I can help you with production figures and option decoding if you ever need it.  I think I already have this car registered from a previous owner (VIN ends with 55 if I'm correct).

FYI-  It's the only Black car of the 6 cars I have registered with 440/4-speed/N96.  Also, of those 6, only your car and mine originally came with N76 (HD Coolant Recovery System).

Check out the The Thrid-Gen site.  Here is my post explaining what I do with the registry: http://wichargerguy.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=production&thread=3986&page=1#48936

[DR440]

............ (VIN ends with 55 if I'm correct).

It's registered on the Chrysler registry ( I have the paper work here) and yes that's the beast    I want to get more of an in depth search done it so I'll check out your site.  Just got to get the pulley issue fixed so I can enjoy it  

PS  N76 HD coolant recovery? tell me more

[1972Rallye]

It was a '72-only set-up.  I have lots of pics and an exploded view in this thread (starting at reply #11):

http://wichargerguy.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=engine&thread=6602&page=1#42586

I have several older pics of your car and it (N76) is not installed but is shown on the broadcast sheet. It's a very hard item to find since it was in several pieces and one year only.

[DR440]

Well I'll be blown.  Never new that.  Wouldn't mind scoring those parts.  If you hear of any place that has them please let me know

Any chance of scoring the older pics of my car?

What's a broadcast sheet?

[1972Rallye]

No problem, send me a PM with your email address and I'll get them to ya.

A broadcast sheet is the document(s) that traveled with the car down the assembly line that told the workers how to build it.  This one (what's left of it) is yours.  Hopefully, it came with the car...

[41husk]

I believe you will be able to get the pully from Bouchilon 843-744-6559 or www.bpeusa.  If I remember it wasn't listed on the web site but I called and they had it.  Good luck!

[DR440]

I believe you will be able to get the pully from Bouchilon 843-744-6559 or www.bpeusa.  If I remember it wasn't listed on the web site but I called and they had it.  Good luck!

Cool.  I'll give them a call tonight my time.  Many Thanks 

[DR440]

No problem, send me a PM with your email address and I'll get them to ya.

A broadcast sheet is the document(s) that traveled with the car down the assembly line that told the workers how to build it.  This one (what's left of it) is yours.  Hopefully, it came with the car...

Ah huh.  That's what that thing is called.  Yep I have it.  Thanks for the feedback

I have PM'd you my email address

Thanks very much 

[DR440]

It was a '72-only set-up.  I have lots of pics and an exploded view in this thread (starting at reply #11):

http://wichargerguy.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=engine&thread=6602&page=1#42586

I have several older pics of your car and it (N76) is not installed but is shown on the broadcast sheet. It's a very hard item to find since it was in several pieces and one year only.

Hi, me again

I have been a busy boy fixing up this and that on the Charger

I think I have found a repo recovery tank but no brackets.  Don't suppose you would know anybody that can supply said brackets.

Since it's been so long since thread was active I'll PM you as well

Many Thanks

PS Pulley issue has been sorted, Thanks guys  

[1972Rallye]

All the repro tanks I seen so far are not correct for a '72 B-body.  Maybe you could post a pic of it (or a link).  Unfortunately, nobody is making the brackets.  The market is too scarce for a 1-year only option.

[DR440]

Ahh Huh!.  Me thinks I have goofed.  I might now be getting a bottle that wont fit     http://www.pentastarparts.com.au/sunshop/index.php?l=product_detail&p=3220

On a side note, you mentioned you had some pics of my Dodge during restoration or the like.  Any chance you could email them to me please.  I have sent you an email so hopefully you got it and have my email address?

Thanks again for the info.   This is a steep learning curve, made especially harder from being down here.

[Iron Chef]

Wow that is a stunning car!

Personally, I love the black without the decals.  I'd buy a set so that you have them, but the black paint is beautiful on its own.

This board is a great resource.  Best of luck! 

[TruckDriver]

Beautiful car!   

[Paul G]

Ahh Huh!.  Me thinks I have goofed.  I might now be getting a bottle that wont fit    http://www.pentastarparts.com.au/sunshop/index.php?l=product_detail&p=3220

On a side note, you mentioned you had some pics of my Dodge during restoration or the like.  Any chance you could email them to me please.  I have sent you an email so hopefully you got it and have my email address?

Thanks again for the info.    This is a steep learning curve, made especially harder from being down here.

I ran across these guys at a Mopar show last weekend. Mr Moparts 623-975-7053 is there phone number. They are local here by me in Surprise, Arizona. They have the bottle and bracket for 71 to 74 B Body's. Bottle, bracket, hose ,cap and clamp, $159.00 and they ship overseas, I called them and they are in stock. They dont have a good web site is the only problem. I had one set in my hand last weekend and put it down. It looks like it fits on the drivers side of the radiator between the fan shroud and battery. Dont know if it is correct for a 72 or not since my 72 has a generic bottle from the local parts store. Let me know what they say.

[1972Rallye]

Correct system for '72 with part numbers...

[Paul G]

The bottle and bracket I had in my hands look similar to the drawing above. Not exactly the same. The new bracket has two mounting holes that mount to either the fan shroud mounting locations, or the radiator mounting locations, the bottle mounts to the bracket. The new bottle looks very much like the one in the drawing, just a different type of mounting.  

[1970Moparmann]

Beautiful car!   Congrats!   Glad to see you upgraded from a Vette.

[DR440]

"Paul G", thanks for the information I will try and call them and ask about the bottle and brackets.  Time difference is my biggest problem as I live in Australia but I will get onto them and report back here what I have found

"TruckDriver" and "1970Moparman", many thanks for the kind words.  I'm pretty wrapped in the beast.  It turns some heads down here as there are not that many here and I think I'm the only one down under with a Ram Scoop.

I still have the Corvette.  Could never part with it.  My late wife and I built it together so it has lots of sentimental value.

[DR440]

I have another question lads.  "1972 Rallye" may know the answer as he has all the numbers info on my car but happy if anyone can assist.

I'm going to pull the gearbox (A833) out just to check it out.  I want to order a kit for it before hand as I have to get stuff shipped in from the states.  They say on the website of the company I order stuff from http://www.pentastarparts.com.au/sunshop/index.php?l=product_detail&p=3449 that there are two types of input shafts. An 18 spline and a 23 spline.  Can anyone tell as to which one would be in my car?  It would be handy to be able to order the goods before hand as if I have to wait to order the goods until after I pull the box out, I will have a lengthy delay before the goods turn up.  Or am I going to have to pull the box first to count the splines?

You guys have been great with information, so hoping that you can yet again come to my aid. 

[1972Rallye]

Most 440s got the 18-spline "Hemi" A833.  The 23-spline units were for the smaller engines. The 18-spline input shaft is larger to handle the high torque of the RB engines.  You may be able to remove the inspection cover from the bottom of the bell housing and count the splines if you want to make sure.  I've never tried it, but I heard it was possible....

[DR440]

I'll give that a go.  I have and endoscope type unit and may be able to get it up near the clutch disk with the cover off.

Thanks for the idea