Clutch material?

[Bobs69]

Hey guys, wanted to install a Sumitt high capacity tranny pan.  Couple of questions.  First, it comes with a triangular piece that you mount with the filter.  The instructions say to use two gaskets.  1. one gasket goes between the spacer and the mounting area.  2.  the other between the filter spacer and the filter.  Only 1 came with my kit.  I suppose I should call Sumitt!  But in case I don't get satisfaction (being a weekend and all) can someone help?

Also, and here we go again.  The fluid is not a dark red.  Kinda like a strawberry smoothie or something.  Also you will see in the pictures black, soft material on the bottom of the old pan.  What the heck do I do about that?  Something tells me I've been told to tighten the clutches once in the past?

The new spacer is in a picture here as well.

[John_Kunkel]

Ignore the instructions, the only gasket goes between the spacer and the valve body; the filter acts as its own gasket. The pan rail on those pans tends to block the dipstick opening so the dipstick will often hit it, I usually remove a little of the pan rail that extends into the hole

The amount of clutch debris is pretty normal, the milky fluid is from moisture contamination...either condensation or it leaked in.

[Bobs69]

Thanks very much John for the vote of confidence.  You mean I nead to grind out some of the aluminum on the new pan in the corner for the dipstick?  I'll check that out.  I haven't even fitted it into place.  Would a dremel tool be called for or could I even slip the angle grinder to it briefly?

I understand you are the man here to talk to about transmissions.  Well I'd like to adjust the "bands".  I read up on it in the Shop manual.  I don't have the special tools.  I asked one good ol'boy here locally who builds them and he told me to leave a 1/4" play in the front one and I don't remember what he said about the back.  Little tighter I believe.  Someone else surprised me by saying to take it somewhere.   Well anyhow the first guy (70years young) also said something about turning the adjustment screw in all the way then back out so many??   The second guy (I called him to confirm when I couldn't get the first on the phone again (like he told me he's 70 now and answers the phone or door when he feels like it). also mentioned that the settings depend on what linkage you got?  Like 3-2 or 3-8 or 4-2 or 5-0.  Well that's all new to me and I don't want to overwhelm myself with that right now.  My motor is pretty much stock.

Boy I hope you know what I'm trying to say!

[Bobs69]

oh another thing, manual says to tighten the adjusting screw to 72in/pounds.  I don't have an inch pounds torque wrench but from google I see that's 6 foot/pounds.  But I don't have a socket that will fit the screw.  So I guess that's why people just do the finger tight then back off thing??

[Bobs69]

Another thing.  Here is a picture of my kit.  Looks like they gave me 2 sets of 3 screws for the filter.  Do I take my pick of which set and what type of head I want?  One set of screws is slightly longer then the others.

[Bobs69]

Boy I have problems getting everthing out in one post!  The bolts for the pan have got a funny head on them I need to take one to the store and find a socket to fit!  Also out of curiosity the bottom, lets say 1/3 of the bolt is painted RED with something.  What is that?  Some sort of loctite?

[Bobs69]

Allright guys.  My third time trying to post this so i'll post the pics and hope they are self explanatory.

I'm worried there is something not right here.  Specifically what is the hold in the filter for and what happens now that it isn't lining up with anything or against anything.  does fluid get sucked thru it?

[Bobs69]

the first picture shows the screws thru the filter and the spacer and gasket as it actually is when lifted up and into postion.  I had originally assumed the hole in the spacer would line up with the hole in the filter.  If if did and fluid actually did get sucked thru there then that would create new problems?  So I'm guessing now that fluid doesn't go thru there?   There would have to be alot of suck!

[John_Kunkel]

You don't really need the torque wrench, just tighten the adjuster snug with a short (4") wrench and back off the desired amount of turns. It's true that the number of back off turns depends on the lever ratio but two turns on the front and rear will work.

Keep turning the gasket until the large hole lines up with the large hole in the VB and the screw holes line up with the empty screw holes...then mount the spacer in the same orientation so the hole in the filter matches the hole in the spacer.

Don't know why the bolt heads are different, mine have always been 1/2" and a socket fits good. The red stuff on the bolts is a locking compound kinda like Loc-Tite.

[Bobs69]

Yeah the bolts are 12point.  My father worked in industrial maintenance and called it a spline socket?   Damned sumitt.  No tech line on the weekends and splined bolt heads?  How many amateurs at home have those?  The local Canadian Tire (Our Autozone) don't have them.

[Bobs69]

Thanks John.  It helped just reading your post.  Yes really.  line up the hole and just keeping rotating until it fits up with the 3 screw holes.  Thanks!

So I took I think 5litres of oil out.  That's 5.28quarts when I dropped the pan.  So with the deep pan, I'm thinking 7litres (7.4quarts) is a good place to start?