Here is the CDN 4dr HEMI

[65post]

Just surfing  E-bay and saw this.Anybody know if he ended up selling the red one ?

[Johnny SixPack]

Hey!

Is that a Charger?

[Ghoste]

It is to Trevor Creed.

[Wakko]

Wow, look at the bid price!!!

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Worlds-Rarest-426-Hemi-Car-1-of-4-factory-produced_W0QQitemZ4603385924QQcategoryZ6200QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

[Ghoste]

And it hasn't reached whatever his insane reserve is yet!!!!

[Lightning]

depending on what the reserve is, it's bound to be high since it's a 1 of 4 (that's what MCG said of the red one)

[Ghoste]

It's rare.  Is it desirable?  There is a reason they didn't sell lots of them new (aside from not promoting it's availability) and even though the current bid says it is desirable to somebody, do you know it isn't a shill?  Is the bidding being fueled by B-J seasonal mania?  Could you move it in a year and truly expect to get your money out of it?  Maybe, but unless you were an incredibly wealthy collector would you take that chance?  Obviously someone is but I can't imagine being that guy.  If I had that much money, I'd sooner put it into sure(r) things like the musclecars.  If, and it's a giant if, the muscle boom falters, where will a four door fringe car be?
He does say in his own auction that the other car's sale for half that amount didn't go through.
Just being devils advocate here.   I sure don't own the crystal ball either.

[Blown70]

It's rare.  Is it desirable?

I AGREE.

[Charger_Fan]

In an automotive dictionary under "sleeper"...THAT's the picture they'd give.

[andy74]

holy shit thats a lot of money

[6pkrunner]

Well all the high zoot hemicars have been found and restored. now the rarest of the rare will come into their own. This one makes the 11 1971 ragtop hemi cudas look downright plentiful.

[dkn1997]

he deserves 5 cents based on his crappy ebay ad.  Enough already with these people who list a car for 6 figures and put 2 lousy pics in.  Oh, and the original motor is long gone. 

[ChargerSG]

"he deserves 5 cents based on his crappy ebay ad.  Enough already with these people who list a car for 6 figures and put 2 lousy pics in."
But do you know if its really missing the original Hemi? Nice for the maniac who pays that money for that car

[Johnny SixPack]

Wow, look at the bid price!!!

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Worlds-Rarest-426-Hemi-Car-1-of-4-factory-produced_W0QQitemZ4603385924QQcategoryZ6200QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Thank goodness he lowered his reserve! 

[69_500]

It is a definate rarity.To me it is a desireable car, because it is one of the ultimate sleepers. Love the thought of pulling up to someone in that at a stop light and then just letting them see the tail lights. However even if I had the money I wouldn't be willing to spend  that kind of cash for it. Would be a great car to add to a collection however. I'm suprised someone like Juliano hasn't made a run at one of those 4 cars. Would go nice with the rest of his collection of 1 off stuff.

[Ghoste]

Juliano primarily stays with factory show cars I think.  I see it as being more interesting to someone who collects Hemi cars.  A Harold Sullivan maye.

[bull]

It is a definate rarity.To me it is a desireable car, because it is one of the ultimate sleepers. Love the thought of pulling up to someone in that at a stop light and then just letting them see the tail lights.

Well yea but you could do the same thing with a $1,500 car and a tweaked 440 for about $230,500 less than that thing is going for.

[69_500]

Yeah but it wouldn't be a FACTORY set up. That is the idea of a sleeper, something the factory put together.





Yeah I guess it would fall more into line with what harold Sullivan has in a collection. But then again didn't Juliano just pick up some of the wing cars last year?

[Ghoste]

He may have.  I hadn't heard that but I don't travel in that circle either.

[69_500]

Thats funny, because I don't travel in those circles either. Just things I hear from people here and there. I haven't ever had the chance to talk to Mr. Juliano, but I have heard nothing but good things about him. Would love to go to his open house and eyeball all the goodies he has.

[Ghoste]

You and me both.  He's one of those wealthy collectors that collects Mopars because he likes them not because they're "in".  Guys like him and Harold Sullivan, and Tim Welbourn and others are real assets to the hobby.

[hemigeno]

Some folks can correct me if I'm wrong on this, but with a '66 model year car, there were no marks stamped on the engine which ties a particular engine to a particular car, correct?  Didn't that start with the '68 model year?

So all anyone has to do is find a date-correct engine, and voila, the car magically has its original engine - or at least one that no one could say for certain WASN'T in the car.

This is the same seller and car that I had read elsewhere has an asking price in the neighborhood of $500k, right?  The seller was asking $1mm for the red restored car if I remember right.

Guess it doesn't hurt to ask for that much, right?

[Ghoste]

You are correct and I'm not sure off the top of my head if it started at the beginning of the 68 model year or the beginning of 1968, the actual year.

[Shakey]

You and me both.  He's one of those wealthy collectors that collects Mopars because he likes them not because they're "in".  Guys like him and Harold Sullivan, and Tim Welbourn and others are real assets to the hobby.

How are these fellas assets to the hobby?   

[Ghoste]

Because each of them have taken considerable expense to find and restore rare parts of Mopar history as opposed to just "investing" in what's cool.
For instance, Juliano has amassed an enormous collction of dealership promtional material surrounding all musclecars but especially Chrysler.  He has assembled and restored most of the Chrysler Muscle concept vehicles from that era in one location.
Harold Sullivan with the Silver Bullett.  Yes, he has a large collection of Hemi and Six Pack cars but he is very approachable.
Tim Welbourn for his dedication to NASCAR and wing car history.  He sits on the Talladega Motorports Hall of Fame board of directors and is instrumental in opening those doors for the wing car reunion. 
Greg Kwiatkowski (sp?) is another guy who should probably be on that list.
Many of the cars those guys have spent money to find and restore would have otherwise been lost.

[Silver R/T]

if its only 1 of 4 doesnt mean its desirable...I do not desire it, maybe sell parts off of it if I could get it for cheap or free. Maybe Trevor creed would drive it as retirement vehicle, he'd like it too

[69_500]

I'll agree that those people Ghoste named are instumental in this hobby. They each have incredible collections of cars. Juliano with the Rapid Transit cars, Welbourne with the huge collection of 71 HEMI Charger's, as well as a HEMI Daytona, HEMI 500, and a HEMI Superbird, Harrold Sullivan has always had a large collection of HEMI and 6 pac cars, as well as always seeming to have a large stash of NOS parts to go with each car. There are many other people who have large collections of cars as  well, and I'm going to say that 99% of those people that I've heard of are very approachable and very willing to pass on information to others in the hobby.

[Ghoste]

Those guys buy them to preserve them and they'd do it even if the cars were worthless.  It isn't about making good on their investment and flipping the car.  I think Juliano is the one who has been often quoted as saying he doesn't own any of these cars, he's just a steward for future generations to appreciate them.  Or something like that.  Good attitude in any case.

[69_500]

Of those people mentioned I can't think of many cars that they have ever let go from their collections. Most of them get a car, and keep it, and keep adding cars.

[Ghoste]

Sullivan trades a little bit.  He has his keepers but a few others have come and gone when they didn't hold his attention for whatever reason.  That Hemi 500 as a case in point.

[69_500]

True I knew he had the first HEMI 500 for a while. He only got rid of it for what a HEMI Daytona right? So its not like he just got rid of it to make a buck, but to get another car he didn't have in his collection.

[Ghoste]

I didn't mean to imply that.  I just meant that of the ones I mentioned, he was the only collector who seemed to let a car go once in a while.

[69_500]

He still has a huge collection of cars though. I have ran into more and more people who have silently accumulated rather large collection of HEMI and 6 pac cars as well. Gentleman I talk to quite often is definately under the radar on the big scheme of things but has at my last count 15 HEMI cars, and 24 6 pac cars. So quite an impressive collection in his own right. But he won't sell anything.

[Drache]

The car has been sitting with its engine out of the car for most of its life.  The car needs restoration and does not come with its original hemi.

Right out of the ad. I'm sure this would lower the price for a few bidders. Unless he has another '66 Hemi engine sitting with the car, it's just not really the same thing.

[Moparmatty]

That is one cool car.  Used to live a few minutes from my house back in the day.  Hood scoop is not factory.  Many stories about that car from my Dad.

[65post]

Moparmatty,do you know a little history on this car? Did the guy ever end up getting a daytona?

[moparsinbarns]

240k for a 4dr?

[Moparmatty]

Moparmatty,do you know a little history on this car? Did the guy ever end up getting a daytona?

Car was ordered by a Vetrenarian in Huntsville.  He wanted a 4dr car with the biggest available engine.  So with the street Hemi going to be available for 1966 the guys at the dealership thought they'd try their luck at getting a Hemi the the Vets car.  Low and behold the one and only Canadian 4dr Hemi car was born.  It was the Vet's everyday car that he used to go tend sick cows on farms and what not.  Sometime in the late 70's the car ended up around here and went through about 3 different owners before it went away.  the last time I saw the car was when it was leaving the Barrie Auto Flea Market on a car trailer when I was 16 or 17 and I'm 29 now.  The hood scoop is not original to the car.  At one of the Hemi Owners's meets in the very early 80's there were a bunch of guys in the 4dr downtown Owen Sound doing some burnouts in traffic.  But the red 69 Hemi Charger caught all the flack from the cops because the 4dr looked like such a Grandma mobile.  LOL!!!!!!!  At a Chrysler Convention meet in Ann Arbor around 1980 the Deep sump oild pan was damn near cleaned right off the bottom of the car on a 33% grade inside the Chrysler Proving Grounds on one of the test roads.  Chrysler warned guys to be careful at the bottom but I guess Lenny came down the hill a little too hot!!!!  One of I think 3 times that Chrysler has let anyone one other than employees inside the Proving Grounds.  Twice was back around late 70's - early 80's.  The last time was at a Wing Car meet in 1996 that I'm sure glad I attended.  Got to do a hot lap of the 5 mile concrete oval with no pace vehicle no speed limit.  That was a first.  The two previous times there had been a pace vehicle.  But that's a whole other story.

As for the old ad you posted.  I'm not sure if the guy got a Daytona or not.  How old is that ad?  Send me a pm 65 Post.

[Troy]

My friend's dad tried to order a pickup truck with a Hemi and they filled out the forms and were all set to go. However, he wanted the car's 4-speed in it too and they told him it couldn't be done. He decided that if he couldn't order it that way then they couldn't have his business. If he had just ordered the truck any way I'm sure it would have had people scratching their heads for many, many years. He ended up with a lot of really interesting cars  that are still in the family but that one would have been cool.

Troy