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help with fender tags(72 ralley charger)

Started by toplescuda, January 13, 2006, 09:47:11 PM

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toplescuda

we have a 1972 ralley charger   car has 2 fender tags    can some one help with info on them   also how many were made   the car has power windows  and is a coupe   thought coupe had fixed rear windows??  car has buldge hood   has 1 machine gun tip on the exe.tip  painted roof
k here is first tag  it looks like it was stamped on the wrong side but here goes
.            n


0<~~~~screw hole~~~~~~~~0
6<~~~laying on its side

.                 p............h
...............................................................
2nd tag is=
       07161    208791    807    043
          c11            p31
       26  g36   L37                     n23
       v4x    u             c16  h51
       fe5   e6x9   tx9    706  256340
       e68  d34  wh23  p2a  209xxx

Nacho-RT74

I'm not the best decoding fender tags, but WH23 on VIN says is a hardtop, so is the roll down quarter windows. Coupe is WL21.

About your rear end. I'm seeing you have SE tail light lenses. and your car it should have the regular lenses what are practically the same but without chrome bezel over lenses.

I'm also seeing that your car has the rallye doors, however you don't have the A57 code what is the Rallye package even you are saying it has teh bulged hood. So if you want to make a Rallye clone you have the hardest parts to find already on your car ;). Tail lights are the other important part on Rallye, what are the louvered 71 R/T ones but painted black.

Rest of ppl wiill hep better than me on decode.
Venezuelan RT 74 400 4bbl, 727, 8.75 3.23 open. Now stroked with 440 crank and 3.55 SG. Here is the History and how is actually: http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,7603.0/all.html
http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,25060.0.html

WM23N1

It may be a rallye car. I have the fender tag off a 73 rallye and it doesnt have A57 on it. This car had the rallye dash,machine gun tips, bulge hood, and a 340 so im pretty sure it was a rallye.
1971 Super Bee 383 "The WM23N1" http://1971-1974dodgecharger.com/

694spdRT

Quote from: WM23N1 on January 13, 2006, 10:55:05 PM
It may be a rallye car. I have the fender tag off a 73 rallye and it doesnt have A57 on it. This car had the rallye dash,machine gun tips, bulge hood, and a 340 so im pretty sure it was a rallye.

Hey, that Charger was built one day after I was born.
1968 Charger 383 auto
1969 Charger R/T 440 4 speed
1970 Charger 500 440 auto
1972 Challenger 318
1976 W200 Club Cab 4x4 400 auto 
1978 Ramcharger 360 auto
2001 Durango SLT 4.7L (daily driver)
2005 Ram 2500 4x4 Big Horn Cummins Diesel 6 speed
2005 Jeep Grand Cherokee Limited 5.7 Hemi

WM23N1

Quote from: 694spdRT on January 13, 2006, 11:05:35 PM
Quote from: WM23N1 on January 13, 2006, 10:55:05 PM
It may be a rallye car. I have the fender tag off a 73 rallye and it doesnt have A57 on it. This car had the rallye dash,machine gun tips, bulge hood, and a 340 so im pretty sure it was a rallye.

Hey, that Charger was built one day after I was born.
too bad it died in late '95  :angel:
1971 Super Bee 383 "The WM23N1" http://1971-1974dodgecharger.com/

Nacho-RT74

Oh Ok, I thought Rallye package IT MUST BE on fender tag... ok then if so  it has missed the right tail lights.

and If it does have a 340 original from factory the is a Rallye by default :D
Venezuelan RT 74 400 4bbl, 727, 8.75 3.23 open. Now stroked with 440 crank and 3.55 SG. Here is the History and how is actually: http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,7603.0/all.html
http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,25060.0.html

TruckDriver

Those tail lights are a '72 S.E. deal only. Those are the standard tail lights.
PETE

My Dad taught me about TIME TRAVEL.
"If you don't straighten up, I'm going to knock you into the middle of next week!" :P

NHCharger

Quote from: DodgeChargerGuy on January 13, 2006, 11:22:31 PM
Those tail lights are a '72 S.E. deal only. Those are the standard tail lights.
You mean standard for the SE model? My tail lights are different.

Nacho, E68= 400, 4bbl. HP
72 Charger- Base Model
68 Charger-R/T Clone
69 Charger Daytona clone
79 Lil Red Express - future money pit
88 Ramcharger 4x4- current money pit
55 Dodge Royal 2 door - wife's money pit
2014 RAM 2500HD Diesel

WM23N1

Didnt the '72 SE have the different quarter window? Looks like it may be a rallye with 72 SE tail lights. And what about the chrome trim on the lip of the trunk? More SE stuff I think. Pretty sure some parts of this car have been replaced.
1971 Super Bee 383 "The WM23N1" http://1971-1974dodgecharger.com/

TruckDriver

Ok, here is the break down to the best of my knollage & research;

07161    208791    807    043
         c11            p31
      26  g36   L37                     n23
      v4x    u             c16  h51
      fe5   e6x9   tx9    706  256340
      e68  d34  wh23  p2a  209xxx   (the "A" is wrong, should be a number from 1 to 9 which will tell where it was built)

Top line I can't find a 807 code, but possable A07 ? (READ BELOW) 043 = 7.75x14 WSW tires?
Second line, No C11 code, possable G11? (tinted windows) P31 = power windows
Third line, G36 = O/S duel painted race mirror / L37 = concealed headlamps / N23 = electronic ignition 72 only.
Forth line; V4X = vinyl top code / U = Built in USA / C16 = console w buckets / H51 = single air/W heater.
Fifth line;; FE5 (refers to lower body paint) / E6X9 = Trim code / TX9 = Interiour paint color / 706 = built July 6th / 256340 = Vehical order #
Sixth line; E68 = 400-4-hp / D34 = Torqueflite Trans. / Rest is serial #

THE A07 WAS A PACKAGE DEAL THAT INCLUDED THE FOLLOWING;

power steering
power disc brakes
auto tranny
vinyl roof
white sidewall tires
undercoating
light package
dual racing mirrors
inside hood release
am radio
rear seat speaker
deluxe wheel covers
variable-speed wipers
air conditioning
electric clock
tinted windows
bumper guards front & back
sill molding
rear defogger
brougham package (SE only)
PETE

My Dad taught me about TIME TRAVEL.
"If you don't straighten up, I'm going to knock you into the middle of next week!" :P

TruckDriver

Quote from: WM23N1 on January 13, 2006, 11:47:41 PM
Didnt the '72 SE have the different quarter window? Looks like it may be a rallye with 72 SE tail lights. And what about the chrome trim on the lip of the trunk? More SE stuff I think. Pretty sure some parts of this car have been replaced.

The tail lights on her car are '72 S.E. only tail lights because of the crome trim around the lenses and the crome ring around the whole tail light housings. The red S.E. below has the correct lights on it yet. If you have those, they are wrong for your car. Mine were replaced too before I ever got it. My S.E. just has the plain lights which do NOT have the extra crome bezels. A Rallye Charger should have the Rallye tail lights like on a '71 R/T (2nd picture), but in '72, they painted them all black. The '71 Bee's have plain '71 tail lights like in the 3rd pic (yellow car).
PETE

My Dad taught me about TIME TRAVEL.
"If you don't straighten up, I'm going to knock you into the middle of next week!" :P

NHCharger

07161 - Assembly Line #
208791 - Seq. # on Line
807 - this is the engine code (can't find my book)
043 - code for rear end and brakes (again, can't find my book)
72 Charger- Base Model
68 Charger-R/T Clone
69 Charger Daytona clone
79 Lil Red Express - future money pit
88 Ramcharger 4x4- current money pit
55 Dodge Royal 2 door - wife's money pit
2014 RAM 2500HD Diesel

tttaziz

The 'A' in P2A of the serial number is for the Lynch Road assembly plant in Detroit.  Lynch Road built cars have very few of the option codes listed on the fender tag, so A57 probably would not have been shown.  Galen's book shows 3,431 1972 Charger Hardtops (WH23) built with the Rallye Package, only 460 of the Coupes (WL21).

Nacho-RT74

NH I had a missunderstood, I thoght WM23N1 was talking about this car and he said about a 340, but noticed was talikng about another car, sorry.

The car definitelly is not an SE because at sight doen't have the smaller quarter window and the full vinyl roof what is NECESSARILY part of SE package to cover the plug filler to make smaller the window. 73/74 used WP29 on VIN to define the SE beside fender tag code, not sure if also 72.

About trim... I think beside what package offered, you could choose any other extra options like extra moldings. You were the buyer and if paid the you got.

the car looks to have all the rallye stuff except tail lights and Fender Tag code, and with some nice adds like extra trim and concealed lamps. Rest of rallye package are HD brakes, rear sway bar, and of course Rallye cluster and wheels.

Painted roof, of course originally was Vinyl

details... as decoded it should be painted mirrors however those are chromed.
Venezuelan RT 74 400 4bbl, 727, 8.75 3.23 open. Now stroked with 440 crank and 3.55 SG. Here is the History and how is actually: http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,7603.0/all.html
http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,25060.0.html

hemihead

As far as I have ever seen or know of , there is no one code to denote the Ralley package.
Lots of people talkin' , few of them know
Soul of a woman was created below
  Led Zeppelin

Nacho-RT74

yes there is... A57, what I don't really now if it should be on Fender Tag. Tags are not what I really know, they didn't exist down here.

It could that the 807 code is a misstyping and really is A57 ?
Venezuelan RT 74 400 4bbl, 727, 8.75 3.23 open. Now stroked with 440 crank and 3.55 SG. Here is the History and how is actually: http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,7603.0/all.html
http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,25060.0.html

tttaziz

807 is the engine code for a 400 4-bbl. and 043 is the axle code for a 3.23 Sure-Grip.  Only Lynch Road cars used these codes at the top of the tag.

694spdRT

tttaziz,

Do you know what the code 071 is for on the top of a '74 Charger lynch road tag?

Thanks
1968 Charger 383 auto
1969 Charger R/T 440 4 speed
1970 Charger 500 440 auto
1972 Challenger 318
1976 W200 Club Cab 4x4 400 auto 
1978 Ramcharger 360 auto
2001 Durango SLT 4.7L (daily driver)
2005 Ram 2500 4x4 Big Horn Cummins Diesel 6 speed
2005 Jeep Grand Cherokee Limited 5.7 Hemi


694spdRT

1968 Charger 383 auto
1969 Charger R/T 440 4 speed
1970 Charger 500 440 auto
1972 Challenger 318
1976 W200 Club Cab 4x4 400 auto 
1978 Ramcharger 360 auto
2001 Durango SLT 4.7L (daily driver)
2005 Ram 2500 4x4 Big Horn Cummins Diesel 6 speed
2005 Jeep Grand Cherokee Limited 5.7 Hemi

toplescuda

the car is missing the orig. 400 motor there is a tranny inside think it goes to the car   car has both front and rear sway bars    has a grill for rear defrost  but dont look like it ever had a motor under it   it had no wheels when got it   so no clue as to what came on it when new    anyone got pics of the exe. tips that should be on the car?   pretty decent car for $400 bucks

tttaziz

694spdRT,

I have most of the Lynch Road 71-72 codes and some of the 73-74 codes.  Unfortunately, I don't have 071.  Is that the engine or axle code?

These codes are unique to Lynch Road fender tags.  They are not the same as the sales codes on the rest of the fender tag. 

694spdRT

Quote from: tttaziz on January 14, 2006, 08:08:59 PM
694spdRT,

I have most of the Lynch Road 71-72 codes and some of the 73-74 codes.  Unfortunately, I don't have 071.  Is that the engine or axle code?

These codes are unique to Lynch Road fender tags.  They are not the same as the sales codes on the rest of the fender tag. 

The engine is the E68 400 4 bbl. The fender tag does not call that out on the top line though. The top line differs from the other two posted in that it has the assembly line #, sequence #, 071, and then what looks to be another 6 digit number( I can't make it out completely).

The car is a '74 400 4 speed SE loaded to the gills with options. The owner claims it has a factory 3.55 sure grip. Do you know a code for that?  :shruggy:

Thanks
1968 Charger 383 auto
1969 Charger R/T 440 4 speed
1970 Charger 500 440 auto
1972 Challenger 318
1976 W200 Club Cab 4x4 400 auto 
1978 Ramcharger 360 auto
2001 Durango SLT 4.7L (daily driver)
2005 Ram 2500 4x4 Big Horn Cummins Diesel 6 speed
2005 Jeep Grand Cherokee Limited 5.7 Hemi

tttaziz

The 73-74 Lynch Road cars have a different sequence top line.

xxxxx (gate #)  xxxxxx (sequence #)  xxx(engine)   xxxxxx (axle /transmission)

Unfortunately, I don't have the codes to confirm your '74, which sounds like a neat, rare Charger.  Someone told me that Galen's casting/parts numbers book has these codes, but I haven't seen it.

chargerkid

Just because the A57 isn't on the fender tag it doesn't mean it isn't a Rallye.  I am going to do a rotisserie on a 1972 Dodge Charger Rallye 440 Hemi Orange car.  It is a true rallye car.  Just look for the obvious as stated above.  The bulge hood and tips on the fender tag.

I like that 74 Charger SE 400 with pistol grip.  Sounds like a cool car.  I have a 73 SE 400 4 bbl, pistol grip, and factory sunroof car.

I love them 4 speed cars.  There is a guy locally here that is restoring a black on black with red reflective stripe 340 4 speed rally.  I just sold him seats and a mint decklid.  He is looking for a triple black charger SE.  Think I might do some trading with him.