help with fender tags(72 ralley charger)

[toplescuda]

we have a 1972 ralley charger   car has 2 fender tags    can some one help with info on them   also how many were made   the car has power windows  and is a coupe   thought coupe had fixed rear windows??  car has buldge hood   has 1 machine gun tip on the exe.tip  painted roof
k here is first tag  it looks like it was stamped on the wrong side but here goes
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0<~~~~screw hole~~~~~~~~0
6<~~~laying on its side

.                 p............h
...............................................................
2nd tag is=
       07161    208791    807    043
          c11            p31
       26  g36   L37                     n23
       v4x    u             c16  h51
       fe5   e6x9   tx9    706  256340
       e68  d34  wh23  p2a  209xxx

[Nacho-RT74]

I'm not the best decoding fender tags, but WH23 on VIN says is a hardtop, so is the roll down quarter windows. Coupe is WL21.

About your rear end. I'm seeing you have SE tail light lenses. and your car it should have the regular lenses what are practically the same but without chrome bezel over lenses.

I'm also seeing that your car has the rallye doors, however you don't have the A57 code what is the Rallye package even you are saying it has teh bulged hood. So if you want to make a Rallye clone you have the hardest parts to find already on your car . Tail lights are the other important part on Rallye, what are the louvered 71 R/T ones but painted black.

Rest of ppl wiill hep better than me on decode.

[WM23N1]

It may be a rallye car. I have the fender tag off a 73 rallye and it doesnt have A57 on it. This car had the rallye dash,machine gun tips, bulge hood, and a 340 so im pretty sure it was a rallye.

[694spdRT]

It may be a rallye car. I have the fender tag off a 73 rallye and it doesnt have A57 on it. This car had the rallye dash,machine gun tips, bulge hood, and a 340 so im pretty sure it was a rallye.

Hey, that Charger was built one day after I was born.

[WM23N1]

It may be a rallye car. I have the fender tag off a 73 rallye and it doesnt have A57 on it. This car had the rallye dash,machine gun tips, bulge hood, and a 340 so im pretty sure it was a rallye.

Hey, that Charger was built one day after I was born.

too bad it died in late '95 

[Nacho-RT74]

Oh Ok, I thought Rallye package IT MUST BE on fender tag... ok then if so  it has missed the right tail lights.

and If it does have a 340 original from factory the is a Rallye by default

[TruckDriver]

Those tail lights are a '72 S.E. deal only. Those are the standard tail lights.

[NHCharger]

Those tail lights are a '72 S.E. deal only. Those are the standard tail lights.

You mean standard for the SE model? My tail lights are different.

Nacho, E68= 400, 4bbl. HP

[WM23N1]

Didnt the '72 SE have the different quarter window? Looks like it may be a rallye with 72 SE tail lights. And what about the chrome trim on the lip of the trunk? More SE stuff I think. Pretty sure some parts of this car have been replaced.

[TruckDriver]

Ok, here is the break down to the best of my knollage & research;

07161    208791    807    043
         c11            p31
      26  g36   L37                     n23
      v4x    u             c16  h51
      fe5   e6x9   tx9    706  256340
      e68  d34  wh23  p2a  209xxx   (the "A" is wrong, should be a number from 1 to 9 which will tell where it was built)

Top line I can't find a 807 code, but possable A07 ? (READ BELOW) 043 = 7.75x14 WSW tires?
Second line, No C11 code, possable G11? (tinted windows) P31 = power windows
Third line, G36 = O/S duel painted race mirror / L37 = concealed headlamps / N23 = electronic ignition 72 only.
Forth line; V4X = vinyl top code / U = Built in USA / C16 = console w buckets / H51 = single air/W heater.
Fifth line;; FE5 (refers to lower body paint) / E6X9 = Trim code / TX9 = Interiour paint color / 706 = built July 6th / 256340 = Vehical order #
Sixth line; E68 = 400-4-hp / D34 = Torqueflite Trans. / Rest is serial #

THE A07 WAS A PACKAGE DEAL THAT INCLUDED THE FOLLOWING;

power steering
power disc brakes
auto tranny
vinyl roof
white sidewall tires
undercoating
light package
dual racing mirrors
inside hood release
am radio
rear seat speaker
deluxe wheel covers
variable-speed wipers
air conditioning
electric clock
tinted windows
bumper guards front & back
sill molding
rear defogger
brougham package (SE only)

[TruckDriver]

Didnt the '72 SE have the different quarter window? Looks like it may be a rallye with 72 SE tail lights. And what about the chrome trim on the lip of the trunk? More SE stuff I think. Pretty sure some parts of this car have been replaced.

The tail lights on her car are '72 S.E. only tail lights because of the crome trim around the lenses and the crome ring around the whole tail light housings. The red S.E. below has the correct lights on it yet. If you have those, they are wrong for your car. Mine were replaced too before I ever got it. My S.E. just has the plain lights which do NOT have the extra crome bezels. A Rallye Charger should have the Rallye tail lights like on a '71 R/T (2nd picture), but in '72, they painted them all black. The '71 Bee's have plain '71 tail lights like in the 3rd pic (yellow car).

[NHCharger]

07161 - Assembly Line #
208791 - Seq. # on Line
807 - this is the engine code (can't find my book)
043 - code for rear end and brakes (again, can't find my book)

[tttaziz]

The 'A' in P2A of the serial number is for the Lynch Road assembly plant in Detroit.  Lynch Road built cars have very few of the option codes listed on the fender tag, so A57 probably would not have been shown.  Galen's book shows 3,431 1972 Charger Hardtops (WH23) built with the Rallye Package, only 460 of the Coupes (WL21).

[Nacho-RT74]

NH I had a missunderstood, I thoght WM23N1 was talking about this car and he said about a 340, but noticed was talikng about another car, sorry.

The car definitelly is not an SE because at sight doen't have the smaller quarter window and the full vinyl roof what is NECESSARILY part of SE package to cover the plug filler to make smaller the window. 73/74 used WP29 on VIN to define the SE beside fender tag code, not sure if also 72.

About trim... I think beside what package offered, you could choose any other extra options like extra moldings. You were the buyer and if paid the you got.

the car looks to have all the rallye stuff except tail lights and Fender Tag code, and with some nice adds like extra trim and concealed lamps. Rest of rallye package are HD brakes, rear sway bar, and of course Rallye cluster and wheels.

Painted roof, of course originally was Vinyl

details... as decoded it should be painted mirrors however those are chromed.

[hemihead]

As far as I have ever seen or know of , there is no one code to denote the Ralley package.

[Nacho-RT74]

yes there is... A57, what I don't really now if it should be on Fender Tag. Tags are not what I really know, they didn't exist down here.

It could that the 807 code is a misstyping and really is A57 ?

[tttaziz]

807 is the engine code for a 400 4-bbl. and 043 is the axle code for a 3.23 Sure-Grip.  Only Lynch Road cars used these codes at the top of the tag.

[694spdRT]

tttaziz,

Do you know what the code 071 is for on the top of a '74 Charger lynch road tag?

Thanks

[Dodge-Charger]

http://www.dodge-chargeronline.com/VINtype.html
http://www.dodge-chargeronline.com/broadcast.html

[694spdRT]

http://www.dodge-chargeronline.com/VINtype.html
http://www.dodge-chargeronline.com/broadcast.html

Thanks,

I don't see the codes listed for the later Charger's from the Lynch road plant.

[toplescuda]

the car is missing the orig. 400 motor there is a tranny inside think it goes to the car   car has both front and rear sway bars    has a grill for rear defrost  but dont look like it ever had a motor under it   it had no wheels when got it   so no clue as to what came on it when new    anyone got pics of the exe. tips that should be on the car?   pretty decent car for $400 bucks

[tttaziz]

694spdRT,

I have most of the Lynch Road 71-72 codes and some of the 73-74 codes.  Unfortunately, I don't have 071.  Is that the engine or axle code?

These codes are unique to Lynch Road fender tags.  They are not the same as the sales codes on the rest of the fender tag. 

[694spdRT]

694spdRT,

I have most of the Lynch Road 71-72 codes and some of the 73-74 codes.  Unfortunately, I don't have 071.  Is that the engine or axle code?

These codes are unique to Lynch Road fender tags.  They are not the same as the sales codes on the rest of the fender tag. 

The engine is the E68 400 4 bbl. The fender tag does not call that out on the top line though. The top line differs from the other two posted in that it has the assembly line #, sequence #, 071, and then what looks to be another 6 digit number( I can't make it out completely).

The car is a '74 400 4 speed SE loaded to the gills with options. The owner claims it has a factory 3.55 sure grip. Do you know a code for that? 

Thanks

[tttaziz]

The 73-74 Lynch Road cars have a different sequence top line.

xxxxx (gate #)  xxxxxx (sequence #)  xxx(engine)   xxxxxx (axle /transmission)

Unfortunately, I don't have the codes to confirm your '74, which sounds like a neat, rare Charger.  Someone told me that Galen's casting/parts numbers book has these codes, but I haven't seen it.

[chargerkid]

Just because the A57 isn't on the fender tag it doesn't mean it isn't a Rallye.  I am going to do a rotisserie on a 1972 Dodge Charger Rallye 440 Hemi Orange car.  It is a true rallye car.  Just look for the obvious as stated above.  The bulge hood and tips on the fender tag.

I like that 74 Charger SE 400 with pistol grip.  Sounds like a cool car.  I have a 73 SE 400 4 bbl, pistol grip, and factory sunroof car.

I love them 4 speed cars.  There is a guy locally here that is restoring a black on black with red reflective stripe 340 4 speed rally.  I just sold him seats and a mint decklid.  He is looking for a triple black charger SE.  Think I might do some trading with him.

[694spdRT]

Just because the A57 isn't on the fender tag it doesn't mean it isn't a Rallye.  I am going to do a rotisserie on a 1972 Dodge Charger Rallye 440 Hemi Orange car.  It is a true rallye car.  Just look for the obvious as stated above.  The bulge hood and tips on the fender tag.

I like that 74 Charger SE 400 with pistol grip.  Sounds like a cool car.  I have a 73 SE 400 4 bbl, pistol grip, and factory sunroof car.

I love them 4 speed cars.  There is a guy locally here that is restoring a black on black with red reflective stripe 340 4 speed rally.  I just sold him seats and a mint decklid.  He is looking for a triple black charger SE.  Think I might do some trading with him.

That 74 SE 400 4 speed also has a factory reflective stripe. 

[41husk]

I am in the process of purchasing a 72 ralley for my next project it is WH23U2G122947,  unless I am mistaken, W=Charger H= coup 23=2 door coup U=440 2=1972 G=Stlouis mo.  this has the RT tail lights Ralley doors and bulge hood.  Is there anything else I should be looking for?

[chargerkid]

Husk,

Was that the rallye that was on the trailer in the swap meet for Monster Mopar Weekend?  Or was it the one that TY owned?

Chargerkid

[41husk]

Niether, This one is in North Carolina and is petty blue and a pretty major project.  I always loved the ralley and the RT 3rd Gens.  I had a 72 cloned to look like a  71 RT  I sold to finish the 68.  I will start on this one as soon as the Challenger is finished   I won't be able to go pick it up until wrestling season is over in about a month.  I have way to many irons in the fire

[41husk]

What Does the A57 stand for?

[Arthu®]

07161 - Assembly Line #
208791 - Seq. # on Line
807 - this is the engine code (can't find my book)
043 - code for rear end and brakes (again, can't find my book)

Ok you are mostly correct but here is what it exactly means as per what Galen Govier says.
07         Gate Sequential Number
   161    Base Sequential Number
208791  Line Sequential Number
807       Engine Assembly: 1972 400ci 4 barrel V8, Automatic Transmission, Air Conditioning, Color: Blue, 255hp
043       Axle Assembly: 1971-72 B-Body, 3.23:1 Gear Ratio, Sure Grip, 10" Drum Brakes, 8.75" Ring Gear, 1 7/8 Pinion, 7290 Yoke.

Arthur

[Arthu®]

What Does the A57 stand for?

A57 was the code for the option package for the Rallye Charger. As it wasn't a seperate model you would get the code on the fender tag. But as Chagerkid already said, nothing can be less true with Mopar. It very well can still be Rallye Charger even if it doesn't have the code. But let's just say that most of em did have the code on the tag.

Anyways this was what the A57 Rallye Package included:
Dark argent grille, power bulge hood with black performance treatment, simulated door louvers, louvered taillights, rallye instrument panel, F70 x 14" WSW tires, front & rear sway bars and the package was not available on the Charger SE.

Arthur

[41husk]

Mine has the A57 Maybe some one can help with some of the other?
1st row: N23  N41  R11  V21   26  END
2nd row: J54  L31  MO8  M21  M25
3rd row: C56  C11  G37  H51  J25  J52
4th row: VLW  U  A57  B41  851  C16
5th row  I83  E6XW  6W1  922 264292
6th row: E86  D34  (The rest is VIN)

This is as best I can make out.

[TruckDriver]

This is most of it......

1st row: N23 (electronic ignition)  N41 (duel exhaust w/o tips)  R11 (music master radio am) V21 (performance hood treatment) 26 (?) END

2nd row: J54 (sport hood 70-1) L31 (HD/fender mount turn signal) MO8 (simulated door louvers 72) M21 (roof drip rail moldings) M25 (wide sill mold)

3rd row: C56 (bucket seats) C11 (?) G37 (O/S duel chrome race) H51 (single air/W heater) J25 (3spd variable wipers) J52 (inside hood release)

4th row: VLW (viynl top code?)  U (build for USA)  A57 (rallye package)  B41 (Front disc brakes) 851 (?) C16 (console w buckets)

5th row  I83 (?) E6XW (?) 6W1 (?) 922 264292 (?)

6th row: E86 (440-4 hp)  D34 (Torqueflite Trans.) (The rest is VIN)

[Arthu®]

I83 = TB3 = Super Blue Body Paint Code
E       Trim Grade = E-Class
  6     Trim Style & Seats = Vinyl, Bucket
    XWTrim Color = White & Black
6W1 = EW1 = White Upper Door Frame Paint
922 = Scheduled Production Date = wednesday september the 22nd 1971.
264292 = Vehicle Order Number
VLW = V1W = Full White Vinyl Roof
U = Build to specifications for US order
851 = B51 = Power Brakes
C11 = Probably G11 = Tinted Glass - All Windows
26 = 26" Radiator

That should cover it or did I miss something?

Arthur

[694spdRT]

Arthur

Do you know what the code 071 is on the top line of a '74 lynch road fender tag? It is right after the line sequential number.

Thanks

[Arthu®]

hmmm only have that code for 1973. It is for a 440-4 Barrel in a B-body. with an automatic and heater with air conditioning.

Arthur

[694spdRT]

hmmm only have that code for 1973. It is for a 440-4 Barrel in a B-body. with an automatic and heater with air conditioning.

Arthur

The car is a 400 4 speed so the code must have changed between those years. I cannot make out all of the last six digits but it goes like this

Assembly #      Sequence#     071     189416

I am not totally sure on the "6" as it is hard to read so it may be something else.

Any thoughts on those other codes?

Thanks

[41husk]

Thanks that helps! 

[Arthu®]

Hmm that is the first time I have ever seen a typo on a Fender Tag.

The code it should be is 701.
701             Engine Assembly: 1974 B-Body, 400ci 1-4 Barrel V8, Manual Transmission, Air Conditioning, Color: Blue, 250hp (High Performance)
189             Axle Assembly: 1974 B-Body, 3.23:1 Gear Ratio, Non Sure-Grip, 10" drums, 8.75" Ring Gear, 1 7/8 Pinion, 7290 Yoke.
416             Transmission Assembly: 1974 B/E-Body, A833, 4-Speed Manual Transmission (odd but what the book says it should be for a 360ci engine, the code for the 400ci V8 is 417. Or maybe the guy that did you tag was only half awake).

Arthur

[TruckDriver]

Hmm that is the first time I have ever seen a typo on a Fender Tag.
The code it should be is 701.

Hey, you got a rare car now.... send it to Barret-Jackson and get 60,000 

[694spdRT]

Hmm that is the first time I have ever seen a typo on a Fender Tag.

The code it should be is 701.
701             Engine Assembly: 1974 B-Body, 400ci 1-4 Barrel V8, Manual Transmission, Air Conditioning, Color: Blue, 250hp (High Performance)
189             Axle Assembly: 1974 B-Body, 3.23:1 Gear Ratio, Non Sure-Grip, 10" drums, 8.75" Ring Gear, 1 7/8 Pinion, 7290 Yoke.
416             Transmission Assembly: 1974 B/E-Body, A833, 4-Speed Manual Transmission (odd but what the book says it should be for a 360ci engine, the code for the 400ci V8 is 417. Or maybe the guy that did you tag was only half awake).

Arthur

Sorry Arthur,

I typed the number backwards in my first post and then kept referring back to the wrong number every time.  It is 701 on the tag. I am positive the last number is not 417, maybe 418. It is funny the car is coded out as a 3.23 open rear. The 2nd owner swears it is a 3.55 gear set and he has owned it since '78...The original owner bought it to pull a boat so he could have had the dealer change it. I hope to be the third owner someday soon. 

[41husk]

can you tell me whar rear and gears are in my 72 from the fender tag?

[Arthu®]

No sorry 41husk only the Lynch Road build cars got those codes, and some of the normal cars if you have an special axle package such as a track pack. But otherwise you can't tell it from the fender tag. This only goes for the 69-74 Tags. the pre 69 tags are a complete different bunch.

Arthur

[Arthu®]

Sorry Arthur,

I typed the number backwards in my first post and then kept referring back to the wrong number every time.  It is 701 on the tag. I am positive the last number is not 417, maybe 418. It is funny the car is coded out as a 3.23 open rear. The 2nd owner swears it is a 3.55 gear set and he has owned it since '78...The original owner bought it to pull a boat so I he could have had the dealer change it. I hope to be the third owner someday soon. 

Mind the fact that it can be very true that the book is wrong on this. The white books are far from perfect even though the part numbers are most of the time much better than the option code books.

Yeah it can very well be changed out by the dealer, they did seem to do quite a lot of dealer changes back than.

Arthur

[41husk]

does anyone know if the A57 package included any particular rear end?

[Arthu®]

Nope except the tires and the front & rear sway bars it was just cosmetical.

Arthur