Nice lookin' Superbird Clone -HEMI 4spd - Ebay

[WINGIN IT]

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1970-Plymouth-Superbird-Hemi-Tribute-/220815501616?pt=US_Cars_Trucks&hash=item3369a12930

Except for the bottom, looks pretty nice to me .
Usually clones get too customized, but this one kept pretty true to factory  ( except maybe the rims, but I like those    )

Opinions?

[moparstuart]

I like it , not a factory bird color , and with white interior I would have done white quarter decals  .

[held1823]

i must be the only one here, who hates everything about the idea of a cloned musclecar.

[dreamcatcher]

Magnum 500's were available on birds weren't they?....looks pretty good to me.  

[moparstuart]

i must be the only one here, who hates everything about the idea of a cloned musclecar.

if i had the money to own an original i would have bought one , I didnt so i built what i could afford

[moparstuart]

Magnum 500's were available on birds weren't they?....looks pretty good to me.  

yes but not the chrome edges , they would have had trim rings 

[Brock Samson]

i like it a lot and don't get why anyone would have a problem with a clone..   the paint especially with the white int. the pistole grip and rims are sweet!
                                                                 

[dreamcatcher]

i must be the only one here, who hates everything about the idea of a cloned musclecar.

if i had the money to own an original i would have bought one , I didn't so i built what i could afford

Besides clones keep the rare cars alive.Most people don't drive almost priceless cars on the street. 

[70Sbird]

from the pictures it looks to be a well done car with a window plug and trim, only oddball thing was the T/A -AAR styled exhaust

[held1823]

i knew my earlier comment might not be a popular one. it was not intended to single out anyone, nor dismiss the effort and workmanship that talented people put into building a car to suit their own tastes. it was merely a personal opinion of this practice. the money is yours, not mine, and in no way am i trying to dictate how you should spend it. i fully understand the cost concerns of a genuine musclecar, as i have owned a few over the years. my very first car was a (real) 1970 super bee, a rather simple model to clone. what strikes me as ironic is that back in the day, building a "sleeper" was more in vogue. today, it seems there are more "super bees" running around than chrysler ever built. i cannot imagine what it would be like to own a true 1969 z/28, since a six cylinder camaro would seem to be the more rare model of the two.

someone asked why anyone would take issue with cloning a vehicle. i will use the upcoming meet at the brickyard as an example of my opinion. (once again, it is just one man's personal opinion.) how many "daytonas" or "superbirds" will it look like are in attendence? enough so that the mystique and rarity of the cars is misrepresented. even when forthright owners state their car is a "recreation" or a "tribute", the vast majority of people could believe that what they are seeing is the genuine article. the general public will not think to check v.i.n numbers and fender tags; they will simply see what their eyes tell them. incredible machines such as john's and gene's may not receive the reverence they are due, when the 1970 charger turned daytona parked next to one of them looks to be of equal provenance.

i type this with what might be taken as a heavily biased opinion. my parent's have owned their daytona since september of 1969. inheriting this car will be the only way i can ever own a wing car. with only 500 or so of them built, they were never intended to be sitting in everyone's garage. it truely saddens me for the uniqueness and rarity of a daytona, superbird, or even a brand X musclecar to be so easily distorted. no one has share my opinion, but i hope that no one is offended by it. i will let this ramble be my final comments on the cloning subject, and hope that they do not create any hard feelings. this is too nice of a board for one person's opinion to matter, especially from someone such as me, who is on the outside looking in. 

[200MPH]

i must be the only one here, who hates everything about the idea of a cloned musclecar.

if i had the money to own an original i would have bought one , I didnt so i built what i could afford

Likewise  

its things like this that keep the hobby from growing..

[held1823]

i must be the only one here, who hates everything about the idea of a cloned musclecar.

if i had the money to own an original i would have bought one , I didnt so i built what i could afford

Likewise  

its things like this that keep the hobby from growing..

 

ok, this post makes a liar out of me, since i have to ask a question here.

does the hobby somehow differentiate between restoring a car as its original model and cloning it into a different vehicle? as i stated before, i may be the only one who takes exception to the concept of cloning, but i find it amusing a purist view would "keep the hobby from growing". 

[Brock Samson]

i knew my earlier comment might not be a popular one. it was not intended to single out anyone, nor dismiss the effort and workmanship that talented people put into building a car to suit their own tastes. it was merely a personal opinion of this practice. the money is yours, not mine, and in no way am i trying to dictate how you should spend it. i fully understand the cost concerns of a genuine musclecar, as i have owned a few over the years. my very first car was a (real) 1970 super bee, a rather simple model to clone. what strikes me as ironic is that back in the day, building a "sleeper" was more in vogue. today, it seems there are more "super bees" running around than chrysler ever built. i cannot imagine what it would be like to own a true 1969 z/28, since a six cylinder camaro would seem to be the more rare model of the two.

someone asked why anyone would take issue with cloning a vehicle. i will use the upcoming meet at the brickyard as an example of my opinion. (once again, it is just one man's personal opinion.) how many "daytonas" or "superbirds" will it look like are in attendence? enough so that the mystique and rarity of the cars is misrepresented. even when forthright owners state their car is a "recreation" or a "tribute", the vast majority of people could believe that what they are seeing is the genuine article. the general public will not think to check v.i.n numbers and fender tags; they will simply see what their eyes tell them. incredible machines such as john's and gene's may not receive the reverence they are due, when the 1970 charger turned daytona parked next to one of them looks to be of equal provenance.

i type this with what might be taken as a heavily biased opinion. my parent's have owned their daytona since september of 1969. inheriting this car will be the only way i can ever own a wing car. with only 500 or so of them built, they were never intended to be sitting in everyone's garage. it truely saddens me for the uniqueness and rarity of a daytona, superbird, or even a brand X musclecar to be so easily distorted. no one has share my opinion, but i hope that no one is offended by it. i will let this ramble be my final comments on the cloning subject, and hope that they do not create any hard feelings. this is too nice of a board for one person's opinion to matter, especially from someone such as me, who is on the outside looking in.  

I can see how you might feel that way seeing as your in line for your families original, to you - it would seem probably every tom, richard and harris is parading into car shows without an obvious disclaimer plastered to the side of their cloned tribute. Now That - I can understand.  
I'll just speak for myself in saying a four-speed HEMI DAYTONA is to me the holy grail of Muscle, MOPAR or otherwise. and the only way i could either find or afford one would have been to start on a clone way back in the '80s when i found my R/T SE. in fact, making a "Tribute R/T SE with a sunroof was a consideration, except i needed/wanted something I could thrash around here in the Inner-City and I don't think adding 18 inches would be a prudent move.
I can often spot the tribute/clones as those folks seldom seem mired in a stock appearance and usually do something to visually differentiate from the "Real Deals"... They also tend to drive them more. The folks with the Original Rare cars seem pretty anal about correct everything right down to the flaws like over spray, even though they may have twenty times the $ into a nut and bolt Resto what the car originally cost in the day. 
This one is pretty obvious as to being a clone done to the owners preferences. I'd drive the snot out of it.
Thanks for taking the time to explain your position.
 

[Charger-Bodie]

i knew my earlier comment might not be a popular one. it was not intended to single out anyone, nor dismiss the effort and workmanship that talented people put into building a car to suit their own tastes. it was merely a personal opinion of this practice. the money is yours, not mine, and in no way am i trying to dictate how you should spend it. i fully understand the cost concerns of a genuine musclecar, as i have owned a few over the years. my very first car was a (real) 1970 super bee, a rather simple model to clone. what strikes me as ironic is that back in the day, building a "sleeper" was more in vogue. today, it seems there are more "super bees" running around than chrysler ever built. i cannot imagine what it would be like to own a true 1969 z/28, since a six cylinder camaro would seem to be the more rare model of the two.

someone asked why anyone would take issue with cloning a vehicle. i will use the upcoming meet at the brickyard as an example of my opinion. (once again, it is just one man's personal opinion.) how many "daytonas" or "superbirds" will it look like are in attendence? enough so that the mystique and rarity of the cars is misrepresented. even when forthright owners state their car is a "recreation" or a "tribute", the vast majority of people could believe that what they are seeing is the genuine article. the general public will not think to check v.i.n numbers and fender tags; they will simply see what their eyes tell them. incredible machines such as john's and gene's may not receive the reverence they are due, when the 1970 charger turned daytona parked next to one of them looks to be of equal provenance.

i type this with what might be taken as a heavily biased opinion. my parent's have owned their daytona since september of 1969. inheriting this car will be the only way i can ever own a wing car. with only 500 or so of them built, they were never intended to be sitting in everyone's garage. it truely saddens me for the uniqueness and rarity of a daytona, superbird, or even a brand X musclecar to be so easily distorted. no one has share my opinion, but i hope that no one is offended by it. i will let this ramble be my final comments on the cloning subject, and hope that they do not create any hard feelings. this is too nice of a board for one person's opinion to matter, especially from someone such as me, who is on the outside looking in. 

wow.



I wonder if your opinion of clones would be different if you werent going to "inherit" a Daytona. 

[randr]

"I wonder if your opinion of clones would be different if you werent going to "inherit" a Daytona."

If that happens good luck! might go to brother or sister! are worse yet split!  good luck with that!

[held1823]

no, it would not change a thing. my thoughts apply to a faked super bee, coronet r/t, camaro z/28, boss mustang, or any number of other collectible cars. i realized that disclosure of a family car would elicit a pointed response, but rest assured it is not a matter of the "haves" versus the "have-nots". it has been stated, many times, on this very forum that not every aero car owner comes from money. this particular daytona was purchased as a daily driver, and has seen more than its share of hardship over the past 40 years. ironically, it pretends to be a 1970 charger from the front, and will have to remain that way until finances allow for it to be restored. should i be offended at comments from past threads that state a car like this should be sold to someone who has the means to restore it, rather than just letting it sit?

i would expect owners of a cloned vehicle to take exception to my personal point of view. i suspect that a few owners of the genuine article also do not mind sharing the spotlight that their car rightfully deserves. i am, however, surprised that these offended people would expect everyone to share their enthusiasm for the concept of cloning. i again apologize for ruffling any feathers, but i can not truthfully apologize for disliking the thought of a car, any car, masquarading as something it is not.

[Brock Samson]

i suspect it would matter a lot more the higher one rises in the auto pecking order, kids getting their first beater think
nothing of putting the dreaded Honda R  on their 20 year old Sentra.

[Patronus]

If I were going to inherit a wing car I might be a douche bag too!   

[Charger-Bodie]

no, it would not change a thing. my thoughts apply to a faked super bee, coronet r/t, camaro z/28, boss mustang, or any number of other collectible cars. i realized that disclosure of a family car would elicit a pointed response, but rest assured it is not a matter of the "haves" versus the "have-nots". it has been stated, many times, on this very forum that not every aero car owner comes from money. this particular daytona was purchased as a daily driver, and has seen more than its share of hardship over the past 40 years. ironically, it pretends to be a 1970 charger from the front, and will have to remain that way until finances allow for it to be restored. should i be offended at comments from past threads that state a car like this should be sold to someone who has the means to restore it, rather than just letting it sit?

i would expect owners of a cloned vehicle to take exception to my personal point of view. i suspect that a few owners of the genuine article also do not mind sharing the spotlight that their car rightfully deserves. i am, however, surprised that these offended people would expect everyone to share their enthusiasm for the concept of cloning. i again apologize for ruffling any feathers, but i can not truthfully apologize for disliking the thought of a car, any car, masquarading as something it is not.

So you hate clones,but your Daytona is cloned to a 70 Charger?

[held1823]

"my" daytona? i do not own a daytona. is the daytona i mentioned cloned to a 1970 charger? no, but it did leave the factory with 1970 fenders and hood. is it missing the nose cone? yes, it has been missing for many years. is it still the genuine article? yes. do i care if others disagree with my thoughts on fakes? not even when they show their intelligence like the one individual above.

it is amusing that one person's perspective can draw such scorn. apparently the consensus is that everyone should be appreciative of the practice of replicating a car. i do not mind being in the minority, or for being a "douche" for my opinion. 

[FJ5WING]

Ive said it myself on several occassions that there are more clones every year with seemily at least one new wing car every other year. I  dont think all of you are understanding what he is saying rather you are reading it and replying with "hot" fingers.

he never said the daytona was cloned into a charger, I think only that it has charger front clip?

[WINGIN IT]

from the pictures it looks to be a well done car with a window plug and trim, only oddball thing was the T/A -AAR styled exhaust

ACK ! How did I not notice that ! 
That kills it for me...   Not that it couldn't be changed , but dang thought this one was true to a tribute.
Dang fools ....

[Charger-Bodie]

Ive said it myself on several occassions that there are more clones every year with seemily at least one new wing car every other year. I  dont think all of you are understanding what he is saying rather you are reading it and replying with "hot" fingers.

he never said the daytona was cloned into a charger, I think only that it has charger front clip?

Im not saying that he said it was a clone. It simply does that on its own.

Does it have 70 Charger fenders or daytona fender? Does it have a 70 valance panel? I mean ??

[Charger-Bodie]

"my" daytona? i do not own a daytona. is the daytona i mentioned cloned to a 1970 charger? no, but it did leave the factory with 1970 fenders and hood. is it missing the nose cone? yes, it has been missing for many years. is it still the genuine article? yes. do i care if others disagree with my thoughts on fakes? not even when they show their intelligence like the one individual above.

it is amusing that one person's perspective can draw such scorn. apparently the consensus is that everyone should be appreciative of the practice of replicating a car. i do not mind being in the minority, or for being a "douche" for my opinion. 

So basically you can come on here and express your opinion on clones and the rest of us cant state that we disagree?

[tan top]

nice car !!    lot of awesome work gone into that by the looks of it   

heres the pictures before the add disappears 

[tan top]

 

[tan top]

 

[Brock Samson]

from the pictures it looks to be a well done car with a window plug and trim, only oddball thing was the T/A -AAR styled exhaust

ACK ! How did I not notice that ! 
That kills it for me...   Not that it couldn't be changed , but dang thought this one was true to a tribute.
Dang fools ....

BFD...  a lot of folks sure git their panties inna bunch over this stuff. 

[Old Moparz]

I don't understand why people are dog piling on held1823's view on not liking clones. I didn't at all get the impression that there was any arrogance in his posts, only arrogance from the ones ruffled by it.  

His point is very valid for not liking them, but it's the opposite of my own. I'm with the others who don't have any issues with them, & sometimes even more so. My plans include adding a wing & a cone to my '68 Charger, but I may not do a rear window plug or change the tail panel. I don't care if it's right, only that the plug is one of the ugliest things on a Charger & it would be a huge expense & a ton of work to add something I hate.

By the way, the Superbird in the auction looks fine to me.   

[xpbprox]

If I were going to inherit a wing car I might be a douche bag too!   

Hahaha

[held1823]

"my" daytona? i do not own a daytona. is the daytona i mentioned cloned to a 1970 charger? no, but it did leave the factory with 1970 fenders and hood. is it missing the nose cone? yes, it has been missing for many years. is it still the genuine article? yes. do i care if others disagree with my thoughts on fakes? not even when they show their intelligence like the one individual above.

it is amusing that one person's perspective can draw such scorn. apparently the consensus is that everyone should be appreciative of the practice of replicating a car. i do not mind being in the minority, or for being a "douche" for my opinion. 

So basically you can come on here and express your opinion on clones and the rest of us cant state that we disagree?

re-read my comments. they make no mention of me being against anyone else stating their support of clones or of them taking offense to my opinion. it has been a pretty civil disagreement. opinions are opinions, including the name calling, and at the end of the day, the only opinion that should matter to someone is their own. the idea that mine could keep this thread alive, speaks volumes in regard to the topic. i will once again offer to keep my "douche-bag" opinion to myself, in order to not disrupt a wonderful forum board.

[Old Moparz]

re-read my comments. they make no mention of me being against anyone else stating their support of clones or of them taking offense to my opinion. it has been a pretty civil disagreement. opinions are opinions, including the name calling, and at the end of the day, the only opinion that should matter to someone is their own. the idea that mine could keep this thread alive, speaks volumes in regard to the topic. i will once again offer to keep my "douche-bag" opinion to myself, in order to not disrupt a wonderful forum board.

Others have been even more opinionated with a more "in your face" attitude, I wouldn't worry too much.   

[randr]

Cant we all get along!?
Lets see some photos of your dads daytona! i like pictures! Is it B5? F6? F8?, ??, ?? hemi? 440?
lets turn this thread around so we can all  
Pictures!!!!!!!!

[ACUDANUT]

If I were going to inherit a wing car I might be a douche bag too!   

Hahaha

I have seen cleaner threads get locked because of this childish language.

[xpbprox]

If I were going to inherit a wing car I might be a douche bag too!  

Hahaha

I have seen cleaner threads get locked because of this childish language.

I see your point but look, this toaster cooks eggs too.

[Old Moparz]

If I were going to inherit a wing car I might be a douche bag too!   

Hahaha

I have seen cleaner threads get locked because of this childish language.

I see your point but look, this toaster cooks eggs.

Man, I sure could use one of them, my timing to cook more than one item sucks. 

[DAY CLONA]

i will use the upcoming meet at the brickyard as an example of my opinion. (once again, it is just one man's personal opinion.) how many "daytonas" or "superbirds" will it look like are in attendence? enough so that the mystique and rarity of the cars is misrepresented. even when forthright owners state their car is a "recreation" or a "tribute", the vast majority of people could believe that what they are seeing is the genuine article. the general public will not think to check v.i.n numbers and fender tags; they will simply see what their eyes tell them. incredible machines such as john's and gene's may not receive the reverence they are due, when the 1970 charger turned daytona parked next to one of them looks to be of equal provenance.  

Old Moparz.......you see no arrogance in that comment?, it's a thinly disguised  passive/aggressive comment that clearly states that a clone shouldn't be in the same presence of the so-called "real deal" during the brickyard event,....Hmmmmm how many of those so called "real deal" wingcars are going to be "rebodies" or VIN swapped cars?,....how many wearing cloned repro parts?.....perhaps they should be ostracized as well?

Lets face it, the presence of cloned cars of any type have always been looked down apon by some, not because they dilute the history, but the hyped value of the originals, whether that value in some eyes is the status or pedigree that they feel comes from owning such a car, or the portfolio value of an original on the market....some take offense to cloning a car, because it entitles other to obtaining something they feel others shouldn't be able to obtain readly , it breaks down the exclusiveness,....and some don't like that. but won't admit it, so they snobbishly condemn clones....
Most of the Aero board here is about their "love" for wingcars, plain and simple, and their quest to obtain one, whether it be a so called "original" or a clone,....

OK so my rant is done ....By the way the Superbird clone is "bitchin" in that Curious Yellow color, much better looking than LimeLight anyday!



Mike

[Patronus]

"my" daytona? i do not own a daytona. is the daytona i mentioned cloned to a 1970 charger? no, but it did leave the factory with 1970 fenders and hood. is it missing the nose cone? yes, it has been missing for many years. is it still the genuine article? yes. do i care if others disagree with my thoughts on fakes? not even when they show their intelligence like the one individual above.

it is amusing that one person's perspective can draw such scorn. apparently the consensus is that everyone should be appreciative of the practice of replicating a car. i do not mind being in the minority, or for being a "douche" for my opinion.  

I certainly understand your point, its what you're saying..
Perhaps I read it wrong.. do I have this right? So no one besides...um, you.. and a few hundred others should be the only ones driving around in
Ma's family jewels? Even the guy who formed the metal with his own skill and determination and made his own? with his own hands?!? So that YOU can have a retirement fund? That, my friend, just ain't gonna fly..
Anyway, I will apologize (if I may) since you've taken it so hard. It just struck a nerve.

[Old Moparz]

Old Moparz.......you see no arrogance in that comment?, it's a thinly disguised  passive/aggressive comment that clearly states that a clone shouldn't be in the same presence of the so-called "real deal" during the brickyard event,....Hmmmmm how many of those so called "real deal" wingcars are going to be "rebodies" or VIN swapped cars?,....how many wearing cloned repro parts?.....perhaps they should be ostracized as well?

Mike

Mike,

In an earlier post he stated that there was no intention to step on others......

i knew my earlier comment might not be a popular one. it was not intended to single out anyone, nor dismiss the effort and workmanship that talented people put into building a car to suit their own tastes. it was merely a personal opinion of this practice. the money is yours, not mine, and in no way am i trying to dictate how you should spend it. i fully understand the cost concerns of a genuine musclecar, as i have owned a few over the years. my very first car was a (real) 1970 super bee, a rather simple model to clone. what strikes me as ironic is that back in the day, building a "sleeper" was more in vogue. today, it seems there are more "super bees" running around than chrysler ever built. i cannot imagine what it would be like to own a true 1969 z/28, since a six cylinder camaro would seem to be the more rare model of the two.

someone asked why anyone would take issue with cloning a vehicle. i will use the upcoming meet at the brickyard as an example of my opinion. (once again, it is just one man's personal opinion.) how many "daytonas" or "superbirds" will it look like are in attendence? enough so that the mystique and rarity of the cars is misrepresented. even when forthright owners state their car is a "recreation" or a "tribute", the vast majority of people could believe that what they are seeing is the genuine article. the general public will not think to check v.i.n numbers and fender tags; they will simply see what their eyes tell them. incredible machines such as john's and gene's may not receive the reverence they are due, when the 1970 charger turned daytona parked next to one of them looks to be of equal provenance.

i type this with what might be taken as a heavily biased opinion. my parent's have owned their daytona since september of 1969. inheriting this car will be the only way i can ever own a wing car. with only 500 or so of them built, they were never intended to be sitting in everyone's garage. it truely saddens me for the uniqueness and rarity of a daytona, superbird, or even a brand X musclecar to be so easily distorted. no one has share my opinion, but i hope that no one is offended by it. i will let this ramble be my final comments on the cloning subject, and hope that they do not create any hard feelings. this is too nice of a board for one person's opinion to matter, especially from someone such as me, who is on the outside looking in.

I'd be one of the last people to agree with his viewpoint on replica cars, but to get all bent out of shape over his opinion seems like an overreaction to me. There are a few others on here spewing things that seem to be borderline reasons to get banned, yet a politely posted, dislike for a clone gets more people upset? 

Anyway, the only thing that I might agree on with him is that original wing cars do have an edge in being more appealing than a clone, a replica, or a tribute car. If these cars were priced more realistically, I'd own one & not even give a thought to building one.

Bob

[Aero426]

At the end of the day, the fact that Daytona and Superbird clones exist and will continue to be built has NO effect on the value of the factory built cars.   Zero.  Zip.  Nada.   The Shelby Cobra model is the perfect example.   Look at all the replica Cobras built through the years.   If anything, it has perpetuated the legend and kept it alive.   All those fake Cobras have done nothing to diminish the value of the original cars which are now nearing unobtanium status for mere mortals.   Just like the Cobra buyer, if someone has the money and wants a wing car, in almost all cases, the potential buyer will not consider a clone.     I also believe that almost all the guys who own the nice clones aspire to step up to the real thing if presented with the right opportunity.    The clone can be a stepping stone.  

[WINGIN IT]

Thanks for posting the pics Tan Top - and getting back on topic. 

The rest of useguys take your Clone haters vs. Real Deals debate to another thread   

[Aero426]

People might be interested to know that the seller of the Hemi Bird clone has previously owned several factory built Daytonas and Superbirds through the years.   

[moparstuart]

People might be interested to know that the seller of the Hemi Bird clone has previously owned several factory built Daytonas and Superbirds through the years.    

SO NOT ONLY IS A CLONE A STEPPING STONE , some owners of original cars can cash in on a payday and then step down into a clone and still have a wing car !!!
  my buddy jim cordell bought the bronze basket case daytona out of canada , restored it in white and added a/c  enjoyed it and drove it for a bout 5 years , sold it paid off his house , bought a viper and is now slowly building a clone .  I think it now has fender scoopes on it since these picture .

[DAY CLONA]

I also believe that almost all the guys who own the nice clones aspire to step up to the real thing if presented with the right opportunity.    The clone can be a stepping stone.   

Sorry, I have to be one of the few that disagree with you Doug,...I see an automobile as just a mere machine, nothing more,... there's no "stepping up to the so-called "real thing"..." for me, clone or not, it's just a machine at the beginning, or end of the day, if one wants to pay ALOT extra for a bunch of "so-called" numbers on the dash, or fender tag, to have a "pedigree", or "portfolio Investment" that's fine,....... for me,I'd rather spend that extra cash on performance, and modern upgrades.
...I have, and have had my share of "numbers matching" cars, they all get modified, or cloned,.....numbers and originality, or rarity, or "pedigree" mean nothing IMHO


Mike

[71green go]

Man I find this kind of thread an embarrassment for the hobby...
Clone or no clone......copies of General Lees or not..
Who really cares at the end of the day what a person does with his property?.....why should anyones opinion of what THEY would do make so many people upset......Its just a car
I don't mind clones, but sure appreciate seeing the real deal 100% more then a copy......I think clones have their place, and draws more people to appreciate cars as a hobby when they see them at local car shows........Most real $100,000 plus cars rarely attend these shows...at least where I live.......

I see no Harm done about held's comments.....But I do see Harm to the hobby about other comments...name calling to me is childish....

[superbirdtom]

hey anyone notice he even put in the trunk stops?  MOST CLONERS DON'T GO THAT FAR.

[moparstuart]

hey anyone notice he even put in the trunk stops?  MOST CLONERS DON'T GO THAT FAR.

i didnt put them in on purpose , much easier to get stuff in and out of the trunk , I drive my car and the trunk is full most of the time

[Aero426]

I also believe that almost all the guys who own the nice clones aspire to step up to the real thing if presented with the right opportunity.    The clone can be a stepping stone.  

Sorry, I have to be one of the few that disagree with you Doug,...I see an automobile as just a mere machine, nothing more,... there's no "stepping up to the so-called "real thing"..." for me, clone or not, it's just a machine at the beginning, or end of the day, if one wants to pay ALOT extra for a bunch of "so-called" numbers on the dash, or fender tag, to have a "pedigree", or "portfolio Investment" that's fine,....... for me,I'd rather spend that extra cash on performance, and modern upgrades.
...I have, and have had my share of "numbers matching" cars, they all get modified, or cloned,.....numbers and originality, or rarity, or "pedigree" mean nothing IMHO


Mike

Mike, when I said "almost everyone" aspires to the real deal in my post, I realized you are one of the few exceptions as you have made the above point repeatedly on various forums.    You are never shy about sharing this opinion.    

[69_500]

This car is a very nice looking clone. One that looks like it would be fun to just tool around in.

While we are all just tossing out opinions I'll throw mine out there. I'm a bit like Held on this one. I am not a huge fan of the clones. Yes it would be fun to clone one and drive, but man oh man I want the real thing. I am still holding out for a real Daytona, but once again its just my opinion. I thought about going the clone route, but the closest I could get to that was just thinking about it. I like cars that are the way they were originally.

[hemigeno]

I'll put on my Moderator's helmet, grab the riot shield and baton for a few seconds here...

Everyone's entitled to their opinions, and we should be able to agree to disagree without being disagreeable in the process.  Topics have been locked for not much more bickering than what's been going on here so far, in part because things don't tend to end well when comments start going beyond stating a personal opinion someone holds and diving into what others should or should not think.

Let's leave the overall discussion about cloning right where it is, and stick with this thread's original topic...

4-speed Hemi 'Bird    !!

[WINGIN IT]

Let's leave the overall discussion about cloning right where it is, and stick with this thread's original topic...

4-speed Hemi 'Bird    !!

THANK YOU ! 

[dreamcatcher]

Let's leave the overall discussion about cloning right where it is, and stick with this thread's original topic...

4-speed Hemi 'Bird   !!

 And run what you brung!  

[BigBlockSam]

that's a cool hemi bird . looks like it was done right too .  but f-that

i like that toaster even better . cooks an egg while it makes your toast . now that's cool!  

[Patronus]

Im pretty much a Daytona fan, but that 'bird is pretty sweet. Love the color, don't think I've seen one with Magnums, I would be proud to drive that one.

[gtx6970]

Clones have there place in the hobby and always will have. Clones allow owner individuallity and uniqueness.

Would I own or build one ? probably not - but I don't scorn those that do.

But the only real difference between the 2 is the price of admission. Body men,paint guys, mechanics and parts suppliers make no difference. the price is the same regardless of the vin. To me the one who is going to have the biggest problem with clones is the insurance company


As for the car in question here, with exception to the exhaust choice. I like it

[dreamcatcher]

Insurance is a big deal for sure.I have over 50K in my car.The insurance company would only insure it for 15K with out a appraisal.And I think even with the appraisal it would be hard to get full value if something happened to it.And it depends on the person doing the appraisal as to what stated value would be.But after everything that happened to mine already I don't really about it.I wanted it I built it and someday (when I have it running right  ) I will drive it. That might be a good thread to start.How many clones are insured and to what value. 

[moparstuart]

Insurance is a big deal for sure.I have over 50K in my car.The insurance company would only insure it for 15K with out a appraisal.And I think even with the appraisal it would be hard to get full value if something happened to it.And it depends on the person doing the appraisal as to what stated value would be.But after everything that happened to mine already I don't really about it.I wanted it I built it and someday (when I have it running right  ) I will drive it. That might be a good thread to start.How many clones are insured and to what value. 

55k  agreed value with american classic 

[Black Charger]

If it weren't for clones, there are radical custom wing cars that simply wouldn't exist. I remember a Pro-Street Daytona that was featured in MCG about 20 years ago. It was tubbed, caged and had a blown 392 HEMI in it. Now, there is no way in hell that anyone in their right mind would ever do that to a REAL Daytona (or any other rare car, for that matter), but for a radical custom such as this, a clone would be PERFECT. I have always been a big fan of "phantom" muscle cars, that is cars that the factory never built (Superbird convertibles are an example). I like them because it gives a look into what might have been, and there is no way that one could be passed off as an original by an unscrupulous seller after the car changes hands a few times.

[WINGIN IT]

$52K and still time left .....

[redrider]

does anyone know if this is the 440 six pack roadrunner post car that a brand x fan made into a superbird clone because in the description it says it was an original big block car and that it was recently finished any thoughts 

[472 R/T SE]

Relisted with a $149k BIN.  Oh my. 

[WINGIN IT]

Relisted with a $149k BIN.  Oh my. 

Yeah, where the heck did THAT come from.   
A bit overpriced, IMO even if it does have a Heimi