I just don't get the nerve of some people.....

69bronzeT5 · July 12, 2011, 03:24:35 PM

So, the title pretty much explains everything. Me and Matt (CHARGER PUNK) went to a Mopar show with my Duster on Sunday. It's the biggest Mopar show in our area and is hosted by the local Mopar club. One of the higher club members (who goes by 'Cuda Gary'- well known for HIGH parts prices) was doing the award presentations. The '1964-1971 HEMI' class came up and a very well done 1971 'Cuda clone won. He beat out two factory Hemi 1970 Challenger R/Ts (one of which was just gorgeous). I personally thought a real Hemi car should of won but what can you do. The guy did do an awesome job with his clone so he definitley deserved it. However, this 'Cuda Gary' idiot started bashing the guy and making him feel like shit. He was going on about how the 'Cuda shouldn't of been in that class because there are better suited 'restification' classes for it and a real Hemi car should of gotten it because they did incredible jobs with their cars and on and on. He just wouldn't shut up. I mean, there is no harm with a friendly poke but he went on for about 2 minutes just ranting. The owner of the 'Cuda just blew the guy off but I could tell he wanted to strangle him

I just don't get the nerve of some people. I mean keep your frickin' comments to yourself....

chargerjy9 · July 12, 2011, 03:35:27 PM

"people are strange......." some of these Mopar "purists" should just stay home, locked up,MTOB, staring at their trailer queens in their garage shrine and live in their own narrow little world. IMO

charge69 · July 12, 2011, 04:15:32 PM

I personally would have thought a factory Hemi should have won but,.......... I am sure the Cuda was a beautiful car and done very well to have won and would have never said that to a car owner. "Cuda Gary" was waaaayy out of line. I hate to go to car shows and mine will see very few just because of jerks like that.

I will enjoy it a lot more just driving it around rather than sitting in a lawn chair all day worrying about the "sure to happen" scratch it is going to get!

Troy · July 12, 2011, 04:24:43 PM

If it were a class problem then the judges should have brought it up - not the presenter. If that's the name of the class it doesn't say anything about "stock". I bet the guys with the real Hemi cars were whining too - but if the winner's car was that nice and he lost there's be contention as well. Car show politics are so ridiculous! Honestly, the only reason I go to most local shows is so I can park in the show field and not have to walk as far. Well, I'll also go if the entry fees are being donated to a charity. I never have my cars judged.

Troy

Rolling_Thunder · July 12, 2011, 04:57:56 PM

I went through a similar experience when one of the cars I took to the spring fling won over one of Steve Strope's cars... the owner was huffing and puffing that his car done by strope had lost and wouldn't leave it alone...

Dans 68 · July 12, 2011, 05:00:35 PM

Quote from: Troy on July 12, 2011, 04:24:43 PM
...Honestly, the only reason I go to most local shows is so I can park in the show field and not have to walk as far. Well, I'll also go if the entry fees are being donated to a charity. I never have my cars judged.

Troy

I agree 100%. Especially not having to walk as far....

Dan

69bronzeT5 · July 12, 2011, 05:07:18 PM

Quote from: charge69 on July 12, 2011, 04:15:32 PM
I personally would have thought a factory Hemi should have won but,.......... I am sure the Cuda was a beautiful car and done very well to have won and would have never said that to a car owner. "Cuda Gary" was waaaayy out of line. I hate to go to car shows and mine will see very few just because of jerks like that.

I will enjoy it a lot more just driving it around rather than sitting in a lawn chair all day worrying about the "sure to happen" scratch it is going to get!

Here's a picture of the 'Cuda at one of the other shows I've seen it at

BrianShaughnessy · July 12, 2011, 05:17:21 PM

Quote from: 69bronzeT5 on July 12, 2011, 05:07:18 PM
Quote from: charge69 on July 12, 2011, 04:15:32 PM
I personally would have thought a factory Hemi should have won but,.......... I am sure the Cuda was a beautiful car and done very well to have won and would have never said that to a car owner. "Cuda Gary" was waaaayy out of line. I hate to go to car shows and mine will see very few just because of jerks like that.

I will enjoy it a lot more just driving it around rather than sitting in a lawn chair all day worrying about the "sure to happen" scratch it is going to get!

Here's a picture of the 'Cuda at one of the other shows I've seen it at

From what I can tell... looks like a nice "modified" car with headers, etc. Perhaps this blowhard should have had different classifications for stock and / or modified cars in which any clone would automatically be modified class and the factory hemi car would be in stock... unless it too was modified to a degree in which case it would have to be judged on the merits of it's modifications and not just the value of it's VIN tag.

charge69 · July 12, 2011, 05:21:42 PM

That is a beautiful and very well done clone! I cannot imagine owning such a car and NOT driving it! As the class was open to all Hemicars, I doubt the originals were as nice as this one. Very deserving of an award.

Richard Cranium · July 12, 2011, 05:36:21 PM

Quote from: Troy on July 12, 2011, 04:24:43 PM
If it were a class problem then the judges should have brought it up

Unlike me, not everyone has class.

RECHRGD · July 12, 2011, 05:41:37 PM

The way the classes were listed did not designate stock or modified. Thats a beautiful car and should not be deserving of the typical Clone badmouthing. If the idiot didn't like the way the classes were setup then he could have chosen not to enter. At any rate he should have kept his dumb ass mouth shut.

John_Kunkel · July 12, 2011, 06:00:47 PM

Quote from: 69bronzeT5 on July 12, 2011, 03:24:35 PM
The guy did do an awesome job with his clone so he definitley deserved it. However, this 'Cuda Gary' idiot started bashing the guy and making him feel like shit.

"The guy" should grow a pair and give what he gets.

Tilar · July 12, 2011, 06:30:13 PM

Quote from: Richard Cranium on July 12, 2011, 05:36:21 PM
Quote from: Troy on July 12, 2011, 04:24:43 PM
If it were a class problem then the judges should have brought it up

Unlike me, not everyone has class.

Lots of people have friends in low places.

A383Wing · July 12, 2011, 08:06:34 PM

Quote from: Tilar on July 12, 2011, 06:30:13 PM

Lots of people have friends in low places.

I'm wondering if I'm one of the "people" or one of the "low place" friends

G-man · July 12, 2011, 08:19:21 PM

This is why Im never going to want my car judged. Its all a bunch of rigged/paid under the table bullshit.

The class was for "HEMI" Cars. That clone is not a HEMI CUDA, its a Cuda with a HEMI put in it, theres a huge difference. So different infact that the VIN and Chasis Numbers will prove it aint a Hemi car.

The clone won when its not even a Hemi car. Some test that was, while ppl who were lucky enough to own HEMI CARS lose.

#$*#&$#* That retarded bafoon of a Judge.

Thats almost as retarded as what happens in Austalia. There was a 1970 Challenger 440 sixpack perfect resto, paint perfect, every chrome strip on car brand new and perfectly installed, interior perfect and new, engine bay every cable etc clean/perfect/new, not 1 flaw on the car. So perfect the car had 1000 man hours on paint prep as it was all hand rubbed to be 100% perfect. He was getting judged verse this orange Cuda, which had a blower sticking out the bonnet, nothing original, didnt even look good due to the enormous wheels on it, paint was not as good, guess who won? the Shitbox orange Cuda, why? Cause hes a friend of the judge and was a president of a car club prior to this, so they just gave it to him.

That cuda can go off a cliff, Clone piece of shit waste of space car trying to be what it isnt. Cant afford a real one so just go clone something into sometehing it aint. CLONES SHOULD BE BANNED, THERE JOKES

charge69 · July 12, 2011, 08:44:58 PM

Why don't you tell how you feel about clones, G-man?

I feel much the same way as you about car shows and feel most, if not all, are rigged to produce the winner they want in the club that sponsers the show. Seen too many of them to not be jaded a bit.

Someone (the owner, I hope) put a lot of time and money into a clone just to take it to car shows, I guess and that just is not right to beat out original, and rare, Hemicars like he apparently did but, where does it say "life" is fair? It ain't and never will be as far as I am concerned.

A383Wing · July 12, 2011, 08:57:53 PM

Quote from: G-man on July 12, 2011, 08:19:21 PM
Clone piece of shit waste of space car trying to be what it isnt. Cant afford a real one so just go clone something into sometehing it aint. CLONES SHOULD BE BANNED, THERE JOKES

wow, speaking of some "people"...I got a clone, but I don't try to pass it off as OE....

Rolling_Thunder · July 12, 2011, 09:16:36 PM

Well - if it was simply a 66-71 Hemi class - then clones should be allowed... if not then the people who put on the show need to me more specific... then need to state "only factory hemi cars allowed, clones will compete in 66-71 restified" or something like that...

Why should a factory hemi car win ? I say if the clone is nicer than the other cars then it deserves to win... unless the descriptions dictate otherwise

RallyeMike · July 13, 2011, 12:18:03 AM

Shameful behavior.

Unfortunately, this is the typical type of stuff that turns people away from clubs and keeps them from participating in events.

aussiemuscle · July 13, 2011, 12:29:48 AM

"send in the clones"

tan top · July 13, 2011, 01:29:17 AM

Quote from: Richard Cranium on July 12, 2011, 05:36:21 PM
Unlike me, not everyone has class.

clone Hemi car should not have won , in a 66 -71 Hemi class !! have another separate class ,

as awesome as that clone hemi cuda is , to the less informed car guy in the crowed !! its saying a clone & an original hemi car are one in the same car !

think i know what i'm trying to say but it not coming across well

$:-\$
the guy handing out the awards should of kept his comments to him self !!

sound like he was just trying to make him self sound clever

Quote from: Rolling_Thunder on July 12, 2011, 09:16:36 PM
Well - if it was simply a 66-71 Hemi class - then clones should be allowed... if not then the people who put on the show need to me more specific... then need to state "only factory hemi cars allowed, clones will compete in 66-71 restified" or something like that...

Why should a factory hemi car win ? I say if the clone is nicer than the other cars then it deserves to win... unless the descriptions dictate otherwise

thats true also

Roger 68 charger · July 13, 2011, 04:49:21 AM

Quote from: Rolling_Thunder on July 12, 2011, 09:16:36 PM
Well - if it was simply a 66-71 Hemi class - then clones should be allowed... if not then the people who put on the show need to me more specific... then need to state "only factory hemi cars allowed, clones will compete in 66-71 restified" or something like that...

Why should a factory hemi car win ? I say if the clone is nicer than the other cars then it deserves to win... unless the descriptions dictate otherwise

chargerjy9 · July 13, 2011, 05:29:21 AM

Quote from: Rolling_Thunder on July 12, 2011, 09:16:36 PM
Well - if it was simply a 66-71 Hemi class - then clones should be allowed... if not then the people who put on the show need to me more specific... then need to state "only factory hemi cars allowed, clones will compete in 66-71 restified" or something like that...

Why should a factory hemi car win ? I say if the clone is nicer than the other cars then it deserves to win... unless the descriptions dictate otherwise

finally, a voice of reason.. that car won fair and square, the class breakdown was'nt specific enough. I suspect that the event organizers didn't anticipate the clone factor when they set up the different class divisions

G-man · July 13, 2011, 05:57:41 AM

At the end of the day the REAL winner is the guy that can go home knowing "MY car is a REAL HEMI car" + hes the guy with a car worth a hell of a lot more than the clone aswell.

Screw judging. Its based on a bunch of biased opinions anyway. I just go to shows to see the cool cars and then go home. In all honesty, even a car that needs a restor being a factory hemi car wins in my view in 'reality'. O well.

When I get my ford GT40 I wont have to give a rats about who wins what, bring it to the track or drag strip and we sort it out there.

chargermike · July 13, 2011, 06:43:31 AM

this is why i never get my car judged. mainly because i dont give a shit what someone else thinks of my car. also real or clone dont matter.. the car is real nice. just cause it came with a hemi factory or put in later who the hell cares. its a hemi car. you factory guys crack me up. if its restored its not orginal anyway. many of your cars have after market parts. so there not factory cars there redone to be factory looking cars. so really there all clones. there just cars. there worth what there worth. and i bet you i love my car just as much as you factory guys. and to the person who hates clones and calls them piece of shit. well the shit beat out the factory. ill drive shit. if you remove the vin tag. most of you would not know factory or clone. and i would have shoved the award up cuda garys ass. sounds like his name should be just prick gary with a cuda.

Back N Black · July 13, 2011, 07:05:42 AM

Quote from: G-man on July 13, 2011, 05:57:41 AM
At the end of the day the REAL winner is the guy that can go home knowing "MY car is a REAL HEMI car" + hes the guy with a car worth a hell of a lot more than the clone aswell.

Screw judging. Its based on a bunch of biased opinions anyway. I just go to shows to see the cool cars and then go home. In all honesty, even a car that needs a restor being a factory hemi car wins in my view in 'reality'. O well.

When I get my ford GT40 I wont have to give a rats about who wins what, bring it to the track or drag strip and we sort it out there.

You should buy that Ford GT40 real soon and move on.

Charger-Bodie · July 13, 2011, 07:20:43 AM

Quote from: G-man on July 13, 2011, 05:57:41 AM
At the end of the day the REAL winner is the guy that can go home knowing "MY car is a REAL HEMI car" + hes the guy with a car worth a hell of a lot more than the clone aswell.

Screw judging. Its based on a bunch of biased opinions anyway. I just go to shows to see the cool cars and then go home. In all honesty, even a car that needs a restor being a factory hemi car wins in my view in 'reality'. O well.

When I get my ford GT40 I wont have to give a rats about who wins what, bring it to the track or drag strip and we sort it out there.

Who gives a crap what its worth! This hobby used to be about cars. I was mopar when Mopar wasnt cool. I loved Chargers when everyone else said it would be cooler if it were a Chevelle......There is nothing wrong with a properly done clone that is not being passed off as original!! Some people dont have piles of money to decide wether they should stick 150k into a Charger or A Porsche! OR GT 40!! I happen to have a Hemi clone Daytona clone and I have as much or more fun in it than I would if it were "REAL" BOO!!!!

resq302 · July 13, 2011, 07:33:28 AM

I agree that if there was a modified class then it should have gone into that because the car does not appear close to stock. Now the AACA (antique auto club of america) club that I belong to judges cars as how they could have left the factory so IF an optional engine for that year, make, and model car was installed even though it could be an original /6 car, as long as it is done up correctly like it could have left the assembly line with the hemi, it would not get any points deducted. Just like my charger. My car was born with F8 green paint, green vinyl top, and tan interior. When I got the car back in 2000, the body was repainted the R4 bright red and had a white top and black and white interior in it. All of those color combinations were available as options for my car back in 1969 so therefor, it COULD have left the factory that way therefor, I would not loose points.

Now, if I were to go the SEM or OE judging at Nats or ICCA judging, I would probably be blown out of the water with the crappy score I would have received since my car is not a numbers matching car, nor factory applied color scheme. Is my car as it EXACTLY left the factory, no! Does it represent how the car COULD have left the factory? Yes (with a few minor details) Do I represent it as a numbers matching car or as a clone? No. But I do drive the hell out of it and love banging through those manual gears!

elitecustombody · July 13, 2011, 07:39:46 AM

have

Charger-Bodie · July 13, 2011, 07:50:24 AM

Quote from: elitecustombody on July 13, 2011, 07:39:46 AM
have

Huh?

gtx6970 · July 13, 2011, 08:01:24 AM

Depends on the class breakdown. Unless stated that it must be a real hemi car . then all bets are off.
And if thats the case,, the vin is irrelevant

When judging cars ,, the judge has be be blind to the vin, color +/ or options it has and judge soley on condition.

And btw, I feel clones certaintly have there place in the hobby. As they allow individuallity and something unique to each and every owner. Although not my cup of tea. I do like them( most of them anyway)

Troy · July 13, 2011, 11:38:55 AM

Ok, so if the "clone" has to go to the modified class then so should the real Hemi car if it isn't perfectly stock. Right? I'm not sure how anyone takes these things seriously. Most cars in "stock" classes are far from stock. Half the cars in "modified" classes only have after market wheels and headers. If you aren't specific then people will enter in whatever class they think they belong in. At Carlisle there was a 69 Charger in the "68-70 B-body Modified" class because they thought their car had to be totally stock to enter the "69 Charger Stock" class (with all the other modified 69 Chargers). If the judges don't correct an improperly registered car then that's all on the show itself. The owner doesn't deserve public ridicule - and he shouldn't have to lower himself to the same level if it does happen.

As for the clone haters... make sure you're without fault before insulting someone else...

Troy

440 · July 13, 2011, 11:48:23 AM

Everyone will always have a difference of opinion, thus is why the circle continues to go round and round. Just as it has in the past, and as it will continue into the future.

Quote from: 1HotDaytona on July 13, 2011, 07:20:43 AMI was Mopar when Mopar wasn't cool.

hemi68charger · July 13, 2011, 12:03:54 PM

Quote from: chargermike on July 13, 2011, 06:43:31 AM
...the car is real nice. just cause it came with a hemi factory or put in later who the hell cares. its a hemi car. you factory guys crack me up. ...

I agree to a certain point. Restoring a car, whether it be a 318 or a 426 Hemi can cost pretty much the same (barring of course both cars have everything and there's no need to track down special parts and such). But, with that being said, there's the whole pre-restoration phase as well. It's a hell of a lot harder to have the patience, luck or whatever you wanna call it to just get your hands on a factory high-pedigree car to begin with. So, there is something to be said about an original versus non-original. Now, where it goes after that is a different story....

Personally, I've been doing this carshow gig for 30 years now and you WILL NEVER satisfy everyone. Believe me, I've heard all the whining & complaining. Heck, when I was 18 with my 1st '68 Charger, I did the same thing. Now, whenever I go to a show, I respect their classes. I may not agree, but it's not my show. Heck, in the nearly two years and countless shows I've gone to, my Daytona has only taken home 2 trophies. WooHooo !!!!

Whenever, in the past, I've put on a show, we had separate classes for original versus modified. Some clubs define modified differently than others and so be it. This goes hand-n-hand with cars that are survivors. Survivors, for the most part, are never in as good of shape as restored cars, but we all know the value, uniquiness and rarity of these whether it be a 318 or 440 six pack car. For the most part, people who put on carshows learn from one show to the next what their local area needs or reflects and hopefully, with time, more and more people are happy. But, you can't make a class for everyone.... Some of the best shows are the non-trophy versions (sort of like The Charger Registry gatherings).

So, lessen one's stress level......... NEVER go to a show with any expectation of coming home with anything other than a nice day with cars, friends, and if you have a camera, pictures to reflect on.

six-tee-nine · July 13, 2011, 02:51:44 PM

Alot of the reactions here prove that the whining guys on that car show are everywhere......

I find it sad that there are guys that can appreciate an unrestored beat up car that is a real hemi and dissaprove someone elses hard work on a top resto job that is a clone car.
I'd say that a for instance a 69 R/T charger that is a Hemi clone and is restored the right way (whatever way that may be) wont be recognized as a clone by alot of guys that cant decode a fender tag by loooking at it. But if the owner is honest to tell everyone its a clone the all of a sudden he's a fraud......
I dont see the bad thing of it.... building hot rods out of a 30's coupe is ok to most guys but putting a Hemi in a not original Hemi car is not? Huh if I want to put a Hemy in MY car then thats MY decision and if the judge of a car show thinks i have the nicest car then thats not my fault.

As a side note : I really dont get what the f*ck that stupid ford GT40 comment is doing here I'm getting really f***ing tired of this dudes moaning....

Jeeez used fuck twice in one scentence, I needed to vent on this subject since I'm a bad cloner to.
Final thing, lets call them tribute cars instead of clones

elitecustombody · July 13, 2011, 03:55:34 PM

Quote from: 1HotDaytona on July 13, 2011, 07:50:24 AM
Quote from: elitecustombody on July 13, 2011, 07:39:46 AM
have

Huh?

read OP's post in the beginning of the thread

Troy · July 13, 2011, 04:03:43 PM

I once thought all "show cars" were actually "show cars" - ie perfect paint jobs and interiors with lots of chrome in the engine bay and an owner with a crate full of detail products. I'd never enter my cars because they weren't nice enough. Most awards at local shows have names like "Best Paint", "Best Engine", "Coolest Display", etc. and I've never seen a class called "Best Factory Screwups" or "Thickest Undercoating". However, I did win a "Dirtiest Car" award once....

Troy

Brock Samson · July 13, 2011, 04:52:09 PM

They have a "daily driver" Cat. which allows for some "patina" but i too have consistently found over and over it still a popularity contest for the car club entrants.

What ya gonna do?.. I thought Cody was pissed he didn't win Young Gun,.. again...

69bronzeT5 · July 13, 2011, 05:28:20 PM

Quote from: Brock Samson on July 13, 2011, 04:52:09 PM
They have a "daily driver" Cat. which allows for some "patina" but i too have consistently found over and over it still a popularity contest for the car club entrants. What ya gonna do?.. I thought Cody was pissed he didn't win Young Gun,.. again...

Defintley not pissed....just a little disappointed considering how much work I did but theres always next year

G-man · July 13, 2011, 07:30:01 PM

Quote from: Back N Black on July 13, 2011, 07:05:42 AM
Quote from: G-man on July 13, 2011, 05:57:41 AM
At the end of the day the REAL winner is the guy that can go home knowing "MY car is a REAL HEMI car" + hes the guy with a car worth a hell of a lot more than the clone aswell.

Screw judging. Its based on a bunch of biased opinions anyway. I just go to shows to see the cool cars and then go home. In all honesty, even a car that needs a restor being a factory hemi car wins in my view in 'reality'. O well.

When I get my ford GT40 I wont have to give a rats about who wins what, bring it to the track or drag strip and we sort it out there.

You should buy that Ford GT40 real soon and move on.

It would be nice if I could get it REAL soon but $170,000 dont come just like that unfortunatelly. Have to be patient to get the ultimate driving car. Till then, ima enjoy the 1968 Boat.

Btw- I dont understand the whole concept behind clones. If its not original, why waste the money to build a clone when you could have built something more fun to drive like a 528 hemi car, or some sort of custom work where its your own thing. A clone is neither your own thing nor is it original, its no mans land.

Brock Samson · July 13, 2011, 07:35:38 PM

A383Wing · July 13, 2011, 10:21:15 PM

Quote from: G-man on July 13, 2011, 07:30:01 PM
A clone is neither your own thing nor is it original, its no mans land.

kinda like your opinions here...

RallyeMike · July 13, 2011, 11:24:55 PM

QuoteBtw- I dont understand the whole concept behind clones. If its not original, why waste the money to build a clone when you could have built something more fun to drive like a 528 hemi car, or some sort of custom work where its your own thing. A clone is neither your own thing nor is it original, its no mans land.

Always wanted a purple 71 Cuda ragtop hemi car? Good luck finding one! So build a clone. Is it really too hard to understand that it's possible to build your exact dream car, and that someone might want to do this?

Belgium R/T -68 · July 14, 2011, 02:44:12 PM

Quote
QuoteYou should buy that Ford GT40 real soon and move on.

It would be nice if I could get it REAL soon but $170,000 dont come just like that unfortunatelly. Have to be patient to get the ultimate driving car. Till then, ima enjoy the 1968 Boat.

Btw- I dont understand the whole concept behind clones. If its not original, why waste the money to build a clone when you could have built something more fun to drive like a 528 hemi car, or some sort of custom work where its your own thing. A clone is neither your own thing nor is it original, its no mans land.

I think you have got yourself locked about clones because of this Hemicar, hell I would say maybe 50% of all musclecars driving around are clones because they don't have the matching engine but you don't seem to rant about those ones.

Per

67440chrg · July 14, 2011, 07:42:21 PM

I think if any one is at fault it would be the ones putting on the show. They should set standards for classes. On the 4Th I was asked if my car was to be put in a stock class. It has a black hood ,hood pins, 5" tall 6 pack scoop you can see the breather sticking through the hood and 28" drag radials. How can that be stock for a 1st Gen?

six-tee-nine · July 15, 2011, 03:04:03 PM

Quote from: G-man on July 13, 2011, 07:30:01 PM
Btw- I dont understand the whole concept behind clones. If its not original, why waste the money to build a clone when you could have built something more fun to drive like a 528 hemi car, or some sort of custom work where its your own thing. A clone is neither your own thing nor is it original, its no mans land.

Dude if you put a 528 Hemi with a pair of stage five heads on top with dual carb setup along with a factory correct air cleaner you can hardly notice the difference between that and a stock 426 unit. Then put the Hemi badges on the doors and you have the evil clone you are talking about.
I dont get your point, if you build a clone exactly the way it came from the factory then the car is as original as the ones leaving the factory. Most people are honest enough to tell everyone they have built a tribute car (I start to hate the word clone more and more so i'll use the better word instead).

I think its just sad that some guys cant spit out a nice word about a car when they know its a clone car. Are these same guys bitchin on everyone that replaces their 383 with a 440?

myaerocars · July 16, 2011, 10:23:11 AM

In 1992 my Superbird clone was classed in the "winged car" class with 2 other real cars.. I placed 2nd. Yes, I was surprised...both that I was put in the class by the judges and that I even placed. I kinda felt bad for the real winged car owner but his car was kinda rusty and had not been restored yet. The people mostly looked at the fresh, shiney paint on mine and picked it.

2 years later when I entered that show, I was placed into " B Body modified " by the judges with the heavy mod cars ( which mine is) and placed 3rd. These were both peoples choice shows - big diffference of couse.... but the car was assigned a class by the organizers.

I just go with what the organizers tell me when I get there. Now I just go to very small cruise ins and charity shows.

I take my daughter and give here the digital camera and let her shoot whatever she wants.

Godspeed,
JON

mikepmcs · July 16, 2011, 10:34:05 AM

Cody,
Don't ever let me see you use the word "gorgeous" again.
Man card, hand it over.

G-man · July 16, 2011, 08:20:20 PM

Quote from: six-tee-nine on July 15, 2011, 03:04:03 PM
Quote from: G-man on July 13, 2011, 07:30:01 PM
Btw- I dont understand the whole concept behind clones. If its not original, why waste the money to build a clone when you could have built something more fun to drive like a 528 hemi car, or some sort of custom work where its your own thing. A clone is neither your own thing nor is it original, its no mans land.

Dude if you put a 528 Hemi with a pair of stage five heads on top with dual carb setup along with a factory correct air cleaner you can hardly notice the difference between that and a stock 426 unit. Then put the Hemi badges on the doors and you have the evil clone you are talking about.
I dont get your point, if you build a clone exactly the way it came from the factory then the car is as original as the ones leaving the factory. Most people are honest enough to tell everyone they have built a tribute car (I start to hate the word clone more and more so i'll use the better word instead).

I think its just sad that some guys cant spit out a nice word about a car when they know its a clone car. Are these same guys bitchin on everyone that replaces their 383 with a 440?

I understand that... and no Im not saying the build of that clone sucks, its trully a beautiful car, beautiful colour to as its my favourite colour on that car etc. Awesome work.

Yes the 528 might not look much different but at least its your own thing... alloy radiator and few other bits that arnt stock and u built ur own thing.

Why go through the touble of building a perfect matching clone, putting heavy iron radiators etc in to keep it "original" when it AINT original, its a clone... u mayswell of put the better brakes on the better radiator in the better coil in etc since ur spending huge $$$ to build the car anyway. I dont mind if u go 426Hemi, I dont mind if u got a 383 and u go 440, but since ur already dong that, u mayswell put the better radiator etc in rather than spending the money to go 100% original when ITS NOT original... thats what I dont get.

dkn1997 · July 17, 2011, 07:48:30 AM

the world would be a better place if one simple rule was followed: Treat another mans car like you would his wife: Don't make derogatory comments about it, don't lean on it, and don't "drive" it unless he transfers ownership to you.

A383Wing · July 17, 2011, 03:23:11 PM

Quote from: dkn1997 on July 17, 2011, 07:48:30 AM
the world would be a better place if one simple rule was followed: Treat another mans car like you would his wife: Don't make derogatory comments about it, don't lean on it...

A few members here should follow that rule also. Not because I own a clone, but I have heard bad comments about my OE cars and other peoples cars as well over the years as well.

69bronzeT5 · July 17, 2011, 04:43:54 PM

Quote from: mikepmcs on July 16, 2011, 10:34:05 AM
Cody,
Don't ever let me see you use the word "gorgeous" again.
Man card, hand it over.

DAY CLONA · July 23, 2011, 01:09:38 AM

Quote from: chargerjy9 on July 13, 2011, 05:29:21 AM
Quote from: Rolling_Thunder on July 12, 2011, 09:16:36 PM
Well - if it was simply a 66-71 Hemi class - then clones should be allowed... if not then the people who put on the show need to me more specific... then need to state "only factory hemi cars allowed, clones will compete in 66-71 restified" or something like that...

Why should a factory hemi car win ? I say if the clone is nicer than the other cars then it deserves to win... unless the descriptions dictate otherwise
finally, a voice of reason.. that car won fair and square, the class breakdown was'nt specific enough. I suspect that the event organizers didn't anticipate the clone factor when they set up the different class divisions

Exactly!......Having judged club car shows for decades, as well as some National events,....certain classes would not have the required number of entries, so the judges would approach ALL the car owners of a class to be combined, if all, or the majority were in agreement, then classes would be combined, example: E body stock with E body modified, or 66-7 Chargers with 68-70's, etc, etc, whatever was required to fill a class minimum, you can't have 3 places of win with 3 cars in class,....so in this case the modified/clones were grouped with the "stock" HEMI cars,....now whether the "stock" are true "originals" or rebodied, or Numbers matching, doesn't matter, the judging criteria would be point based, presentation, etc,...whatever may be defined in the club judging rules

What I always would find amazing is how civil everyone was with agreeing to class transformations, but at the end of the day, when modified/cloned cars beat out so-called "original" cars, the

would start, accusations would fly, judges being cursed at, just rediculous that a bunch of "mature" grown men would act like babies over a stupid award....

And what was always a constant, was the "numbers matching/original/survivor" crowd,...if they didn't pull a 1st place, or best of class, or best of show, in a mixed class judging event the undies got waded real quick!...modified/cloned guys always shrugged off a loss as no big deal......I think all the years I spent with judging these shows have jaded me towards having NO tolerance for the "numbers matching/ original/resto" crowd with the often "smug" attitudes, I know it's not ALL of them, but it certainly seems like it when there's no awards to take home

Mike

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I just don't get the nerve of some people.....