Carlisle Winners List

[71ChallengeHer]

http://www.carsatcarlisle.com/ce/pdf/2011_Chrysler_Winners.pdf  I see some Dc.com members names. Congrats evryone. 

[maxwellwedge]

#86  -  Is that you?                   

[71ChallengeHer]

#86  -  Is that you?                   

   

[68X426]

Congrats Jackie!

[Tilar]

Grats Jackie!

I'm surprised that Gene's name isn't on that list. Man what a fine looking Daytona. 

[69rtse4spd]

Way to go , also know #81.

[maxwellwedge]

#86  -  Is that you?                   

   

Good - Congrats!!   

[FJ5WING]

Grats Jackie!

I'm surprised that Gene's name isn't on that list. Man what a fine looking Daytona. 

If by Gene youre referring to HemiGeno....the Invatational Cars dont get onto the list. 

[BBKNARF]

Good for you, right on  any pics.

[FJ5WING]

 

[Tilar]

Grats Jackie!

I'm surprised that Gene's name isn't on that list. Man what a fine looking Daytona. 

If by Gene youre referring to HemiGeno....the Invatational Cars dont get onto the list. 

Yes Hemigeno... Do they not judge them at all or whats the deal with that?

[resq302]

#86  -  Is that you?                

 

Whoa, whoa, whoa!  You were in the stock class little lady?   What exactly on your car is stock?  

Congrats to all the winners and people from here!

Tilar- people who get invited into the special displays are not eligible for judging or receiving special awards.

[BrianShaughnessy]

Congrats Jackie !   Well deserved 

Meanwhile...     

[resq302]

Now dat shits funny!   

[1969chargerrtse]

I'm sorry I don't get it?  I've been out of shows for years but how do you give a trophy to a new car? 2010 Challengers etc ....... So you buy it and drive it to a show for some kind of trophy?  Another reason to make Shows and trophies more phony if you ask me. To the few shows I've brought the Charger to, this is why I close the hood when inspection time is announced.
Or, were these new but customized ?  Even so, I don't understand?

[Chris G.]

I'm sorry I don't get it?  I've been out of shows for years but how do you give a trophy to a new car? 2010 Challengers etc ....... So you buy it and drive it to a show for some kind of trophy?  Another reason to make Shows and trophies more phony if you ask me. To the few shows I've brought the Charger to, this is why I close the hood when inspection time is announced.
Or, were these new but customized ?  Even so, I don't understand?

Carlisle is not a judged show. If you register a car, you get to vote for a certain group of cars. Yes some people just drive their new cars to shows and park them expecting to win something. It's not a big deal in Carlisle because you are basically competing against people with the same car. I can see a random show giving an award to a new car above an old restored car as being wrong, but in Carlisle it's not a big deal when they only compete amongst themselves.

If you had your car in Carlisle, you would only be with 1969 Chargers. There's no judge, just people mostly parked around your class that will vote for you.

[Troy]

Grats Jackie!

I'm surprised that Gene's name isn't on that list. Man what a fine looking Daytona. 

If by Gene youre referring to HemiGeno....the Invatational Cars dont get onto the list. 

Yes Hemigeno... Do they not judge them at all or whats the deal with that?

Gene was having the car judged to "OE" standards - which is totally separate from the show. Most of the cars in the buildings are only there for display (and therefore not judged). I think they have to be invited. As mentioned, the rest of the show is "peer judging" so everyone with a car in the show gets to fill out the ballots.

Troy

[TUFCAT]

Personally, I think they have to many classes for new cars also.

[moparstuart]

Personally, I think they have to many classes for new cars also.

as long as its a seperate class and they are not judging old car with drive off the lot new cars

[41husk]

Geno how did she do with the OEM judging?

[Troy]

Gene is probably still driving home. It may take a couple weeks before he gets the results of the judging. The judges spent a LOT of time going over the car (they started Wednesday or early Thursday and were still popping by on Sunday).

Troy

[resq302]

I don't understand how they can judge a car and then after they are "done" go back and look at your car again.  I can see if there is a tie or something like that and they have to give out one award but if it is just for a point style certificate where they give out multiple of the same award if you reach a certain number, I can't see going back time after time when you can compare it to another car.

[Chris G.]

I don't understand how they can judge a car and then after they are "done" go back and look at your car again.  I can see if there is a tie or something like that and they have to give out one award but if it is just for a point style certificate where they give out multiple of the same award if you reach a certain number, I can't see going back time after time when you can compare it to another car.

It's not that kind of judging. These are guys who will specifically look at your car. It's not competition judging so to speak.

You either:

A. Get lucky and have them all at a show together to go over your car.

B. Fly them all to your location and pay for their stay. $$$

Gene took option "A" and it was a wise choice. 

[Chris G.]

Personally, I think they have to many classes for new cars also.

Like it or not, newer cars are a huge part of the backbone for any national show. Hit the Ford, Corvette or GM shows and you will see the same. I really don't see a problem with it because the place is huge and if you don't want to see them you don't have to. Plus Carlisle moved them to the back of the awards ceremony (I think), so they can sit in their A/C while the old schoolers get moving quicker through the parade.

Now if classic cars start getting parked on the hill, then there's a huge problem...for me at least.

[resq302]

I don't understand how they can judge a car and then after they are "done" go back and look at your car again.  I can see if there is a tie or something like that and they have to give out one award but if it is just for a point style certificate where they give out multiple of the same award if you reach a certain number, I can't see going back time after time when you can compare it to another car.

It's not that kind of judging. These are guys who will specifically look at your car. It's not competition judging so to speak.

You either:

A. Get lucky and have them all at a show together to go over your car.

B. Fly them all to your location and pay for their stay. $$$

Gene took option "A" and it was a wise choice. 

Ah, ok, I thought it was like the nats where the group came around all at once.  I wasn't aware that you could have multiple judges coming through at various times throughout the weekend.

[68X426]

Congrats Jackie !   Well deserved 

Meanwhile...     

I'm dying. That is beyond funny, it's the Post of the Year.

[Tilar]

Thanks for explaining the judging... I didn't know the whole story about the cars in the buildings.

I'm dying. That is beyond funny, it's the Post of the Year.

 That's funny! Now we need one for post whore... Speaking of which, Where's Cody been lately? 

[hemi68charger]

Congrads Jackie... Looks like Chris G. placed as well.............   

[Chris G.]

Looks like Chris G. placed as well.............   

Chris G. didn't place squat dude...unless you're talking about the other guy who has the same initials? He might of got some sort of plaque thingy.   

[hemi68charger]

Looks like Chris G. placed as well.............   

Chris G. didn't place squat dude...unless you're talking about the other guy who has the same initials? He might of got some sort of plaque thingy.   

Dude? Surf's up.............................  R119, Dodge B-body 1969 Dodge Charger (Stock).....

[Just 6T9 CHGR]

Looks like Chris G. placed as well.............    

Chris G. didn't place squat dude...unless you're talking about the other guy who has the same initials? He might of got some sort of plaque thingy.  

Dude? Surf's up.............................  R119, Dodge B-body 1969 Dodge Charger (Stock).....

You are correct, thanks.....the "original" Chris G. won that class  

[Chris G.]

You are correct, thanks.....the "original" Chris G. won that class  

But do you have an 80's name buckle that confirms that? Shazaaam bizzle. 

[Just 6T9 CHGR]

You are correct, thanks.....the "original" Chris G. won that class  

But do you have an 80's name buckle that confirms that? Shazaaam bizzle. 

Thankfully you got me on that one pal!

[Troy]

I don't understand how they can judge a car and then after they are "done" go back and look at your car again.  I can see if there is a tie or something like that and they have to give out one award but if it is just for a point style certificate where they give out multiple of the same award if you reach a certain number, I can't see going back time after time when you can compare it to another car.

It's not that kind of judging. These are guys who will specifically look at your car. It's not competition judging so to speak.

You either:

A. Get lucky and have them all at a show together to go over your car.

B. Fly them all to your location and pay for their stay. $$$

Gene took option "A" and it was a wise choice. 

Ah, ok, I thought it was like the nats where the group came around all at once.  I wasn't aware that you could have multiple judges coming through at various times throughout the weekend.

I wasn't there the whole time but it did seem like they would come and go - sometimes as a group and sometimes individually. They would get together at times to discuss and then come back if they had any questions. Gene has very thorough documentation and even brought several original parts that he'd replaced in case of a discrepancy. Vance (the restorer) was also on hand for explanations. Since it's so time-consuming there's a limit to the number of cars they'll do each year. The funniest quote was when I first got there and Gene said that they had beaten him to the show and "had already started disassembling the car" when he walked in. I was picturing my garage after I disassemble a car but, apparently, they aren't digging that deep!

Troy

[41husk]

I am sur not a single one of the judges were as knoledgable on the Daytona as Gene!!!

[71ChallengeHer]

Congrats Jackie !   Well deserved 

Meanwhile...     

I'm dying. That is beyond funny, it's the Post of the Year.

[BananaDan]

You are correct, thanks.....the "original" Chris G. won that class  

But do you have an 80's name buckle that confirms that? Shazaaam bizzle. 

Belt buckle?  That'll come in handy at your next hoedown country boy.   

[70charginglizard]

Mucho Congradulations Jackie. I knew you'd pull that one off this year. 

[BananaDan]

Mucho Congradulations Jackie. I knew you'd pull that one off this year. 

Oh, I forgot.  Congrats Jackie, well done!

[71ChallengeHer]

Thanks everyone. And congrats to all the other deserving members from DC.com. 

[bill440rt]

Thanks everyone. And congrats to all the other deserving members from DC.com. 

Congrats, Jackie!

Further well-deserved Congrats to Chris & Bill, both have awesome Chargers. Geno's Daytona is one of the finest I've ever seen. Superb job!! 

[TUFCAT]

Hemigeno's car is beyond description. For the record, I can now say I've sat in a brand new 1969 Dodge Daytona. 

[BananaDan]

   It was quite a beauty, but I didn't get to sit in it. 

[Just 6T9 CHGR]

Hemigeno's car is beyond description. For the record, I can now say I've sat in a brand new 1969 Dodge Daytona. 

Me too....I even got to touch the NOS shift knob! 

[Brads70]

Congrats Jackie !   Well deserved 

Meanwhile...     

I'm dying. That is beyond funny, it's the Post of the Year.

Congrats Jackie! Well done!.......Funny picture!

[nh_mopar_fan]

Congrats Jackie!

[71ChallengeHer]

Brad, Maybe I should send her to you ?       Congrats on your celebrity pick. And props for you driving your Challenger down from Canada.    Hope you had a great time and a safe trip home.

[Tilar]

Hemigeno's car is beyond description. For the record, I can now say I've sat in a brand new 1969 Dodge Daytona. 

Me too....I even got to touch the NOS shift knob! 

It is definitley an amazing car. I got to sit in it but I didn't touch anything. The young man that I brought with me, little Dave as I call him sat in it and it made his day.   

[hemigeno]

Thanks for the kudo's, everyone - and congrats to the award winners, it looks like DC.com'ers were well-represented at the awards ceremony this year! 

The judging I inflicted on myself was not arranged through Carlisle at all.  In years past, Carlisle Events has had some sort of program that would critique cars to some degree or another.  Most recently, Dave Ferro/Totally Auto had sponsored the SME (Standard of Mopar Excellence) program.  This year there was no formal judging apart from the fun field, although I'll reserve editorial comment about why I was quite relieved to hear that fact.  Knowing that SME judging would not occur, I contacted the ICCA to arrange for them to judge the car while I was there - exactly like (the "tribute") Chris G. already explained... rather than having to pay out the wahzoo to fly a bunch of guys into St. Louis so they could judge the car here, I arranged to take the car out where the judges would be going anyway.  Up until about a week before the show, I had been led to believe a 4-post lift was going to be available to display the car inside Building T - which would have been beyond cool, and would also have made things considerably easier for the judges.  Carlisle Event's head guy Ed B. decided fairly late in the game not to do that, and I can't exactly complain... although I will admit to being really disappointed.  As much time and effort went into detailing everything on the underneath side of the car as the topside, so it would have been awesome for folks (in addition to the judges) to have been able to see the finer points there as well.

As far as I know, only one other car was judged by the ICCA at Carlisle.  Mike Mancini restored a '70 Duster to what I'm told was an incredible level.  I went looking for Mike's tent once, but didn't find it (I didn't have a program at the time - had to go get one on Sunday before their supply ran out).  AFAIK, just like being displayed in Building T, a car in the swap meet or Car Corral isn't eligible for any awards so the car Mike restored isn't in the winners list either.

Congrats again to all the award-winners!!   

[hemigeno]

Hemigeno's car is beyond description. For the record, I can now say I've sat in a brand new 1969 Dodge Daytona.  

Me too....I even got to touch the NOS shift knob!  

It is definitley an amazing car. I got to sit in it but I didn't touch anything. The young man that I brought with me, little Dave as I call him sat in it and it made his day.  

I'm very glad to hear "little Dave" had fun - that makes MY day!  

I didn't have to twist Tufcat's or either of the Chris' arms to get them to sit in the car.  It was a little embarrasing when Tufcat started making "Vroom! Vroom!" sounds though.




j/k

[maxwellwedge]

Car looks good my friend!      

Who exactly were these judges?

[4cruzin]

Car looks good my friend!      

Who exactly were these judges?

The judges are the other registered car owners at the show.  When you go and get your goodie bag, there is a ballot in there for voting in your class.  Someone said that the ones with the most friends usually win.   

[hemigeno]

Car looks good my friend!      

Who exactly were these judges?

Thanks, Jimbo!  I scanned the crowd all weekend looking for your smiling mug - was hoping you'd make the show.

The ICCA crew for this show consisted of head dude Dave Wise plus Mike Mancini, Mike Volz, and Mark S. (can't read his signature on the sheet - he was with Dave).  They indirectly brought in other folks, such as Scott Smith to critique the carburetor, and Jim (who I think is from Dixie Restorations) to answer a question or two about alternators.  It's an ad hoc committee they put together, and the makeup changes depending on who can attend an event and/or what the subject matter is.  I was REALLY hoping Paul Jacobs could attend, as I know he's a wealth of information when it comes to Daytonas.

We'll have to catch up sometime soon, and I'll fill you in on a little of the "behind the scenes" stuff.  

[maxwellwedge]

Yeah - Really wanted to go this year....was still on the fence until the Wednesday before. I haven't missed too many Carlisle's over the years....prefer it to the 'Nat's any day!

[Tilar]

I'm very glad to hear "little Dave" had fun - that makes MY day!  

I didn't have to twist Tufcat's or either of the Chris' arms to get them to sit in the car.  It was a little embarrasing when Tufcat started making "Vroom! Vroom!" sounds though.




j/k

Yeah well you know how those "Tom" cats are.... Always making some sort of howling noise.     I don't remember seeing anyone giving you a "Thank You" for setting up our rooms either... So Thanks!

[resq302]

So Geno, there was no SME judging this year at all?

[tan top]

congratulations  , to all the winners !!  awesome stuff     

[hemigeno]

So Geno, there was no SME judging this year at all?

No, not this year.  From what I heard, I'm not sure they'll be back (at Carlisle, anyway).  At last word, Ed B. was shopping around for a replacement program, so we'll have to wait and see what they do in the future.

I don't remember seeing anyone giving you a "Thank You" for setting up our rooms either... So Thanks!

No additional thanks are necessary, I was glad to help out with that. 

[resq302]

I heard some complaints at the SME Judging at Carlisle was a conflict of interests between some of the head judges.  Mainly that one of the judges sold repro parts and services and would try to make sales by deducting points from peoples cars because stuff was either too nice or not up to his companies standard, not how the car would have been originally.  But again, I am also hearing this second hand too.

[FJ5WING]

Since Pops had his Charger shirt on in the pic I posted it here. Pop and I in front of the R/T.

[BrianShaughnessy]

I heard some complaints at the SME Judging at Carlisle was a conflict of interests between some of the head judges.  Mainly that one of the judges sold repro parts and services and would try to make sales by deducting points from peoples cars because stuff was either too nice or not up to his companies standard, not how the car would have been originally.  But again, I am also hearing this second hand too.

No need to worry about 2nd hand... I heard it 1st hand.   Happened to Al and Val with the 68 X ragtop a couple years ago...   a well known over-resto company / owner / judge wanted to sell him some parts for it.

[TUFCAT]

I heard some complaints at the SME Judging at Carlisle was a conflict of interests between some of the head judges.  Mainly that one of the judges sold repro parts and services and would try to make sales by deducting points from peoples cars because stuff was either too nice or not up to his companies standard, not how the car would have been originally.  But again, I am also hearing this second hand too.

No need to worry about 2nd hand... I heard it 1st hand.   Happened to Al and Val with the 68 X ragtop a couple years ago...   a well known over-resto company / owner / judge wanted to sell him some parts for it.

that's a "TOTALLY" stupid idea...

[69bronzeT5]

 That's funny! Now we need one for post whore... Speaking of which, Where's Cody been lately? 

I'm still here.....just not as much

[Troy]

Since Pops had his Charger shirt on in the pic I posted it here. Pop and I in front of the R/T.

Hey, I saw that car, and your dad. Although I had no idea that it was connected to a member here. I probably have 20+ pictures of it from Sunday when there weren't crowds of people around.

Troy

[TUFCAT]

I saw the car also...and always drool whenever I've seen it at Carlisle. We once followed behind it on our back to the hotel years ago. Its a beautiful car with an awesome paint job!

[bill440rt]

I heard some complaints at the SME Judging at Carlisle was a conflict of interests between some of the head judges.  Mainly that one of the judges sold repro parts and services and would try to make sales by deducting points from peoples cars because stuff was either too nice or not up to his companies standard, not how the car would have been originally.  But again, I am also hearing this second hand too.

No need to worry about 2nd hand... I heard it 1st hand.   Happened to Al and Val with the 68 X ragtop a couple years ago...   a well known over-resto company / owner / judge wanted to sell him some parts for it.

that's a "TOTALLY" stupid idea...

Happened to me too, but a little different. I won't get into the gorey details, but I competed in it years ago, one of my cars (which will remain nameless at this time) was the 3rd top scoring car that year. The other two that scored higher were done by a totally well-known over-resto company, who was also judging. 
The systems check was overlooked on judging day, something I knew I could ace because everything worked. From what I was told, second hand, that the other two may or may not have passed the systems check portion of the scoring. 
I still had a good time.

[BrianShaughnessy]

Since Pops had his Charger shirt on in the pic I posted it here. Pop and I in front of the R/T.

Hey, I saw that car, and your dad. Although I had no idea that it was connected to a member here. I probably have 20+ pictures of it from Sunday when there weren't crowds of people around.

Troy

  That's a sweet car...   I've seen it at Carlisle several times.    Always stands out from the crowd   

[resq302]

I heard some complaints at the SME Judging at Carlisle was a conflict of interests between some of the head judges.  Mainly that one of the judges sold repro parts and services and would try to make sales by deducting points from peoples cars because stuff was either too nice or not up to his companies standard, not how the car would have been originally.  But again, I am also hearing this second hand too.

No need to worry about 2nd hand... I heard it 1st hand.   Happened to Al and Val with the 68 X ragtop a couple years ago...   a well known over-resto company / owner / judge wanted to sell him some parts for it.

that's a "TOTALLY" stupid idea...

"TOTALLY" uncalled for by someone who is supposed to be an "impartial" judge.

[Alaskan_TA]

If his ego showed up at the car three days before he did, I think I know who the judge was. 

[TUFCAT]

If his ego showed up at the car three days before he did, I think I know who the judge was. 

I'm just guessing, but that's TOTALLY funny!!

[resq302]

This was he same guy who "TOTALLY" picked our challenger convertible two years ago as a "Celebrity Pick" and said we did a nice job on the car but needed some better stuff and to contact his company to make the chally "better".