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440 OEM intake manifold and HP exhaust manifolds

Started by Sixt8Chrgr, September 28, 2011, 04:27:34 PM

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Sixt8Chrgr

I recently bought both for my 68 440 and wanted to know if I should have the carbon cleaned out of the exhaust manifolds and have the inside of the intake cleaned. My motor is a mild build 440.

Thanks

tan top

yeah  give them a good clean out  !!   also no telling what could be / have fallen in there during storage  :yesnod:  :Twocents:
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flyinlow

Really officer, I was just cleaning the carbon out of my manifolds.   :smilielol:

tan top

Quote from: flyinlow on September 28, 2011, 05:12:58 PM
Really officer, I was just cleaning the carbon out of my manifolds.   :smilielol:

:smilielol: :drive: ..................   :patrol: .......  :yesnod:  was just giving it a clearing out  !!  the carbon  , it had loaded up a bit also  :yesnod: :D
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Chryco Psycho

I port match them too & remove casting flaws inside

Sixt8Chrgr

Quote from: Chryco Psycho on September 28, 2011, 07:04:17 PM
I port match them too & remove casting flaws inside

This is the answer I was looking for.

Thanks

Chryco Psycho

I cannot remember the last engine I built even in bone stock looking cars where I didn't port the heads & intake , no one can see the mods & it can only help performance / milage

tan top

Quote from: Sixt8Chrgr on September 28, 2011, 08:23:41 PM
Quote from: Chryco Psycho on September 28, 2011, 07:04:17 PM
I port match them too & remove casting flaws inside

This is the answer I was looking for.

Thanks


sorry i miss read you question  !!  yep as CP said  :coolgleamA: :yesnod:

, good gasket match intake to head  &  exhaust port to gasket  , but don't gasket match the  manifold  to exhaust gaskets / exhaust ports in head !  if your going to do a little porting / clean up on the heads , don't go mad  with the polishing the intake ports/ runners!! they need a little rough !!  its the exhaust runner/runners bowl , that you want as smooth as possible
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Challenger340

IMO, NOT trying to rain on anybody's parade here...I understand you just want to clean out some carbon, etc
but...
I OWN and USE a Flowbench, and anytime we've tried it, that is doing a "gasket match" on the Iron Heads & Intake for a PERFORMANCE Gain by itself....it  does absolutely NOTHING as a Performance Gain below .500" lift, and " marginal" at BEST gains if any above that.
because,
you are basically working with the secondary restriction ?
the PRIMARY restriction being,
the Bowl area directly above the Valve, commonly referred to as "Pocket" Porting.

Until you open up the MAIN restriction to Flow in the Bowl Pocket, just isn't much point "gasket matching" the Port Windows, because they can Flow PLENTY with the stock window "as is".
Actually, from our testing, leaving the pushrod pinch in the Head "as is", promotes port turbulence below .500" and swirl, with larger area under the Flow Curve below .300" Lift.

Sorry, it may "look" all nicey, and if it makes you feel good GO FOR IT, especially if you are just looking to CEAN THINGS UP.
but,
if any consideration to doing it strictly as a "performance", or Power Gain...
it just isn't there.
Especially, if anybody's "charging" you for doing it, WITHOUT doing the Pocket Porting also...you may wish to check with other Engine Builders as well... ?

Just saying...
The FIRST THING that should be considered in Porting for a PERFORMANCE gain....and yields the BIGGEST gains....is a "Pocket" port above the Valve,
then,
cleanup the Port Windows and Gasket Match, to get BOTH, a "cleanup", AND a Power Gain. 

Only wimps wear Bowties !

BSB67

Quote from: Challenger340 on September 29, 2011, 01:00:56 PM
IMO, NOT trying to rain on anybody's parade here...I understand you just want to clean out some carbon, etc
but...
I OWN and USE a Flowbench, and anytime we've tried it, that is doing a "gasket match" on the Iron Heads & Intake for a PERFORMANCE Gain by itself....it  does absolutely NOTHING as a Performance Gain below .500" lift, and " marginal" at BEST gains if any above that.
because,
you are basically working with the secondary restriction ?
the PRIMARY restriction being,
the Bowl area directly above the Valve, commonly referred to as "Pocket" Porting.

Until you open up the MAIN restriction to Flow in the Bowl Pocket, just isn't much point "gasket matching" the Port Windows, because they can Flow PLENTY with the stock window "as is".
Actually, from our testing, leaving the pushrod pinch in the Head "as is", promotes port turbulence below .500" and swirl, with larger area under the Flow Curve below .300" Lift.

Sorry, it may "look" all nicey, and if it makes you feel good GO FOR IT, especially if you are just looking to CEAN THINGS UP.
but,
if any consideration to doing it strictly as a "performance", or Power Gain...
it just isn't there.
Especially, if anybody's "charging" you for doing it, WITHOUT doing the Pocket Porting also...you may wish to check with other Engine Builders as well... ?

Just saying...
The FIRST THING that should be considered in Porting for a PERFORMANCE gain....and yields the BIGGEST gains....is a "Pocket" port above the Valve,
then,
cleanup the Port Windows and Gasket Match, to get BOTH, a "cleanup", AND a Power Gain. 



Exactly.  The place to start looking for improvements is at the valve/seat.  There is real power at the valve(the grind, and valve back-cut).  Then directly below the valve.  Don't waste your time at the port window.  :Twocents:

500" NA, Eddy head, pump gas, exhaust manifold with 2 1/2 exhaust with tailpipes
4150 lbs with driver, 3.23 gear, stock converter
11.68 @ 120.2 mph

tan top

Quote from: BSB67 on September 29, 2011, 06:38:05 PM
Quote from: Challenger340 on September 29, 2011, 01:00:56 PM
IMO, NOT trying to rain on anybody's parade here...I understand you just want to clean out some carbon, etc
but...
I OWN and USE a Flowbench, and anytime we've tried it, that is doing a "gasket match" on the Iron Heads & Intake for a PERFORMANCE Gain by itself....it  does absolutely NOTHING as a Performance Gain below .500" lift, and " marginal" at BEST gains if any above that.
because,
you are basically working with the secondary restriction ?
the PRIMARY restriction being,
the Bowl area directly above the Valve, commonly referred to as "Pocket" Porting.

Until you open up the MAIN restriction to Flow in the Bowl Pocket, just isn't much point "gasket matching" the Port Windows, because they can Flow PLENTY with the stock window "as is".
Actually, from our testing, leaving the pushrod pinch in the Head "as is", promotes port turbulence below .500" and swirl, with larger area under the Flow Curve below .300" Lift.

Sorry, it may "look" all nicey, and if it makes you feel good GO FOR IT, especially if you are just looking to CEAN THINGS UP.
but,
if any consideration to doing it strictly as a "performance", or Power Gain...
it just isn't there.
Especially, if anybody's "charging" you for doing it, WITHOUT doing the Pocket Porting also...you may wish to check with other Engine Builders as well... ?

Just saying...
The FIRST THING that should be considered in Porting for a PERFORMANCE gain....and yields the BIGGEST gains....is a "Pocket" port above the Valve,
then,
cleanup the Port Windows and Gasket Match, to get BOTH, a "cleanup", AND a Power Gain. 



Exactly.  The place to start looking for improvements is at the valve/seat.  There is real power at the valve(the grind, and valve back-cut).  Then directly below the valve.  Don't waste your time at the port window.  :Twocents:

yep thats true also  :yesnod:
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Sixt8Chrgr

Thanks for the info.

My heads have already had that work done and are on the car. The car is running and I am pleased. I  currently have headers and a RPM Performer intake. As I mentioned I bought these other parts and am considering go back to an all stock look. I want these parts cleaned up prior to install and just wanted to know what I should do.

Thanks