69 Hemi Charger Value

[DC_1]

I have recently come upon someone selling a non# 69 Hemi Charger. Body is complete and in paint but car needs almost everything as well as assembly. What is the current market price?

Also, can you see torque boxes in these photos?

[gtx6970]

kind of hard to say 100% , but I don't see any of the Hemi car torque boxes or re-inforcements .

Thats not to say it's not a factory screw up, but just warrents a closer inspection in person

value will vary A LOT depending  on how complete it is  AND if it's a real J code car

[charge69]

Well , I will be interested in seeing the selling price also and , no , I do not see torque boxes on that car. I doubt that started life as a Hemicharger.

The person who buys this still has a lot of money yet to spend on it , Hemi or not.

[gtx6970]

I'll add, if it's either a clone or something else, Add up the value  the parts and adding  maybe 10% will probably get you close.

Aligning body panels with a car thats been painted in pieces is a huge risk to not damage the paint .

I'm dealing with this very issue right now

[tan top]

looking under there !!  nothing points to it being a Hemi body shell ! from that rear angle , i'm thinking you should see 7 hemi only re -enforcement parts  
but like Bill said  , some cars had them missing  factory mistakes ete   , but this body has not  anything from what i can see  

that car was on ebay the other week  !  , forgot to save the pictures from the ad ! i sent Chris  of just6T9CHGR the link ,  not sure he has got any pictures saved

[DC_1]

I agree,

I haven't seen the car in person and the pics where sent to me by a freind who said he knows a guy with a hemi charger for sale. Guy is asking $45k as it sits. I couldn't tell if the torque boxes where there but i asked for a pic of the trunk lip, rad cradle stamping, fender tag, and build sheet he claims to have.

I figured the car needed anothe $60-70k in parts and labour to be done right

[DC_1]

you can see the column under the car. According to the fender tag codes he sent me it is a white car with black stripe, red interior, column shift

[y3chargerrt]

Did he show you the numbers stamped in the body?

[gtx6970]

Is it worth $45K as it sits is dependant on how complete it is and what needs done to finish it , my initial repsonse is,,  No but without more info it's just a guess

logical reasoning is ask.

Is a white , column auto hemi car worth $130K to $150K in todays market?  IMO, I doubt it

[DC_1]

logical reasoning is ask.

Is a white , column auto hemi car worth $130K to $150K in todays market?  doubt it

I agree, I was thinking a done car non#s $80-=110k but with fender tag and build sheet

[DC_1]

Did he show you the numbers stamped in the body?

I've requested more pics including  stampings, fender tag, dana, dash

[DC_1]

Here is the fender tag info he sent

V8X       Black  Bumblebee Stripe
END
M25      Body Sill Mouldings
M31      Body Belt Mouldings
N85      Tachometer  with Clock
R13      Astrophonic   AM  Radio
V1X      Black Vinyl Roof
G15      Tinted Windsheild Only
G31       RH  Manual  Mirror
G33       LH  Manual  Mirror
J25        Three Speed  Wipers
L31        Hood  Mounted  Turn Signals
M21       Drip  Rail  Mouldings
A01        Light  Group
A36        Performance  Axle  Package  3.55  Axle 8.75
B41        Front Disc  Brakes
B51        Power Brakes
C21       Center  Front  Seat  Folding  Arm  Rest
C55       Bucket  Seats
W1        White  Paint  Code
CR6      Red Vinyl  Buckets
R6


212      Feb   12  69
B0620  Vehicle  Order #
E74      426  Hemi  Engine
D32     Torque  Flite  Transmission  with Coumn Shifter
XS29    Charger

[charge69]

They sent you a listing of the codes on the fender tag but not the complete VIN ? If it is a real Hemicar, it would have a "J" code right after the XS29 such as a XS29J9B3213XX. I am also not sure you could get the A01 light package with the R/T as I thought that was part of the R/T package in 1969 and Charger R/T's were not coded for it.. Mine is not coded for the light package but it is there and, maybe it could be added and coded on the tag. I do have the buildsheet for it

Mine was assembled in Hamtramck, noted by the "B" coded in the VIN and I think all 1969 Hemicharger R/T's were made there. I am not positive about that, though.

The code "D32" in 1969 is the heavy duty 727 auto and not necessarily a column shift as mine is console shift and has "D32" coded on the fender tag and the buildsheet.

I still think this car was not and is not an original Hemicar.

[RIDELIKEHELL]

I just saw this listed somewhere this week??

[hemi68charger]

I can't see the torque boxes nor the rear gusset reenforcements on the rear framerail. I do think I see the additional pinion snubber reenforceement plate. Now, the leaf spring forward hanger plate doesn't seem to be visible either....

[tan top]

I can't see the torque boxes nor the rear gusset reenforcements on the rear framerail. I do think I see the additional pinion snubber reenforceement plate. Now, the leaf spring forward hanger plate doesn't seem to be visible either....

   i could not  quite make the snubber reinforcement plate out though  prolly my computer screen  

[69 OUR/TEA]

Just speaking body wise,just my  ,that lower body line before it gets to the rocker panel level looks alittle "to sharp" to me ,as well as the bend to turn under and be the rocker panel.
Were all the parts with the car,eng,tranny,interior,bumpers,grill,etc,etc?And what solid doc's are there,vin's,fender tag,BS? Someone inspect the car in person........

[DC_1]

So what are the things added to a basic 68 or 69 RT when equiped with a Hemi motor?

from what I know

"J" code 5th digit in the VIN
E74 code in fender tag and build sheet
torque boxes
front rear frame reinforcements at spring perch
back rear frame gussets
pinion snubber reinforcement
door emblems
?

[DC_1]

Just speaking body wise,just my  ,that lower body line before it gets to the rocker panel level looks alittle "to sharp" to me ,as well as the bend to turn under and be the rocker panel.
Were all the parts with the car,eng,tranny,interior,bumpers,grill,etc,etc?And what solid doc's are there,vin's,fender tag,BS? Someone inspect the car in person........

I haven't seen the car in person but am trying to make those arrangements.

I think the light and shadows could be making the body line look more defined than it is, but I will definately make a mental note to check that out

I have asked for pics of all avaialble parts, documentation, complete VIN and fender tag.

[charge69]

I cannot see the radiator support in the pics you were initially furnished but, the car would have come with the numbers that match the last 6 on the vin stamped on the left side of the support and would have a 26" radiator with a 7-blade clutch fan from the factory. Factory A/C was not an option on the Hemicars and the firewall should definitely be a non-a/c firewall with a 3-speed wiper assy. there. I think the 3-speed wiper assy. was needed for aircleaner clearance on the Hemicars. Not real sure about the wipers but mine had the 3-speed wiper assy. on it and I heard it was for clearance. It makes sense.

[PocketThunder]

Did anyone notice the boat trailer?   

[hemi68charger]

They sent you a listing of the codes on the fender tag but not the complete VIN ? If it is a real Hemicar, it would have a "J" code right after the XS29 such as a XS29J9B3213XX. I am also not sure you could get the A01 light package with the R/T as I thought that was part of the R/T package in 1969 and Charger R/T's were not coded for it.. Mine is not coded for the light package but it is there and, maybe it could be added and coded on the tag. I do have the buildsheet for it

Mine was assembled in Hamtramck, noted by the "B" coded in the VIN and I think all 1969 Hemicharger R/T's were made there. I am not positive about that, though.

The code "D32" in 1969 is the heavy duty 727 auto and not necessarily a column shift as mine is console shift and has "D32" coded on the fender tag and the buildsheet.

I still think this car was not and is not an original Hemicar.

Carl, there's nothing that states XS cars couldn't get the A01 package. The A01 could come on any model, even my Daytona and C500 are A01 car.  If there's no C16 and it's a D32, it's column by default.

Troy

[y3chargerrt]

D32+C21=column auto.

[charge69]

Thanks Troy, I wasn't sure about the light package. I guess I do not have it then as it is not listed as a group on my car. On the code D32, it is a code for the heavy duty 727 auto and could be either a column shift or a console shift. Meant it to come out that way but, I guess I was unclear. On my build sheet's listing for TRANS, the last three digits (094) is listed and 32 is listed right next to it under a column called "PIN". I don't know exactly what PIN is but, it is a column on the 1969 build sheet I have for my car.

[tan top]

i noticed that also , body lines too crisp ,  
yes on a R/T , A01 is the light group package    its  the A47 SE package that could not be ordered on the Hemi  , well for 69 , you could in 1970


as much as i would love to own a J code  69 charger    ,  no matter how  good a deal it is !!    no matter what the stamped  numbers say  & codes  , would not even bother looking at that  , because its missing all the hemi reinforcement parts !!
we all know how things can be re stamped &  the  original sheet metal with the vin welded in !!

now if it was an unrestored barn find  , might be worth having a good look !!   but the factory it not going to leave off every  Hemi reinforcement part  !!  are they  ??  

even IF it is a factory mistake , your going to be forever & a day explaining to people  that is is a real J code

sorry i would give it a miss  

[DC_1]

I cannot see the radiator support in the pics you were initially furnished but, the car would have come with the numbers that match the last 6 on the vin stamped on the left side of the support and would have a 26" radiator with a 7-blade clutch fan from the factory.

Don't take this the wrong way because I appreciate your comments but your driving me nuts with these beyond basic charactistics of identifying a Charger. 

[Ghoste]

I'm sure I'm just misunderstanding you somehow but are you saying the Hemi and the SE package could not be had together in 1969?

[tan top]

I'm sure I'm just misunderstanding you somehow but are you saying the Hemi and the SE package could not be had together in 1969?

thats corrcet  Ghoste  ,

could not order the A47 special edition  package on a J-code Hemi  69 charger
but you could order it in 1970  on a   which is  now  a  R - code Hemi charger  

[Ghoste]

There are no 69 RT SE Chargers with Hemi's, only 440's?  All these years and I never realized that!!

[charge69]

Sydmoe,  no problem as I do tend to rattle on these days. I am sure there is enough info. in this thread to easily identify a real Hemicharger now.

[DC_1]

Sydmoe,  no problem as I do tend to rattle on these days. I am sure there is enough info. in this thread to easily identify a real Hemicharger now.

[tan top]

There are no 69 RT SE Chargers with Hemi's, only 440's?  All these years and I never realized that!!

yes only  XS29 or XX29  L code 440  chargers  with A47 ,   never understood why  it could not be ordered  for a 69  but could be in 1970  

[Ghoste]

It does seem strange.  I admit to being surprised at learning this and a little pleased too (learning something each day is always a plus).

[DC_1]

I don't have the funds to buy and finish this car or just buy and sit on it so this is more just of interest since the car is local.

Does seem to be an unusual car combination if it is legit.

426 Hemi
White W1
red interior
black stripe
black vinyl roof
column shift
8 3/4 not Dana

[Ghoste]

8 3/4 with the automatic would be correct.  It is an interesting color combo isn't it?

[69 OUR/TEA]

If it was triple green I'd be interested!!!!!! Or black I geuss!!!!

[tan top]

8 3/4 with the automatic would be correct.  It is an interesting color combo isn't it?

sounds a nice color combo  , white with red interior & black top & stripe   wonder if Chris has many with that combo in the registry 

[maxwellwedge]

I like the color combo too.

In addition to all the hemi body stuff missing, I do not like buying a car where the shell is painted. I'd rather see it before bodywork. Too many "Jam Jobs" out there.

[69 OUR/TEA]

I like the color combo too.

In addition to all the hemi body stuff missing, I do not like buying a car where the shell is painted. I'd rather see it before bodywork. Too many "Jam Jobs" out there.

Thats why I prefer project cars and do them myself !!!!!!

[tan top]

I like the color combo too.

In addition to all the hemi body stuff missing, I do not like buying a car where the shell is painted. I'd rather see it before bodywork. Too many "Jam Jobs" out there.

Thats why I prefer project cars and do them myself !!!!!!

true    me too

[Just 6T9 CHGR]

I'm sure I'm just misunderstanding you somehow but are you saying the Hemi and the SE package could not be had together in 1969?

Yup....Steve is on point!  Doing his homework.....wanna run a '69 Registry?

PS--the car was on eBay recently...tried to get info but he forwarded me the same tag info as was posted in this thread


http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=270765896924&viewitem=&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWAX%3AIT#ht_500wt_1182

[DC_1]

Just got an email from the owner. He is claiming that there are "many scam artist" out there and therefore will not send the complete VIN, pics of the documentation or body stampings. He wants me to come see the car to verify these things. In a way I see his point as he himself gives the impression that something is not right with his evasiveness. I am still skeptical the car is even legit..... smells of a rebody.

[mikepmcs]

but he wouldn't give you the 5th character in the vin?  conveniently left out...maybe?? just seems strange not to provide at least up to the sequence number. my $.02.
one things for sure. if he aint legit he aint gettin away with shit.. if he's a fraud, the whole world is about to know it.  

on another note....that's a lot of goddam money to throw out for a boat anchor. #justsayin

hopefully he happens upon this site and reads this very thread.

mines XP29G9B by the way.  See.... wasn't that hard now was it.
scam away.

[gtx6970]

IMO, the only way it's going to come even close to 45K is if everything is done and just needs assembled.Meaning the drivetrain, interior, suspension, etc etc etc is done and only needs detailed and installed. Per the ebay listing it sounds like the drivetrain still needs done yet,,,,,,,, Even then I have my doubts. Again , provided it's legit

To many cars avail in a better color combination and maybe 4 spd for around the 100K mark.

Wasn't there a 1968 Hemi Charger avail recently that was a nice survivor car advertised in the 125K range( black car I believe ) And I remember a red 68 hemi car avail recently as well. Both were on this site for sale for some time and apparently no bites

me personally, I like the white with burgandy int and column auto, but I'm weird

[69 OUR/TEA]

Well,while some of you smell something fishy about missing torque boxes and specific hemi braces,I'll add one more...........the option codes show the car having N85.Really,wheres the hole for it????Supposed to be right below the hole for the headlight vac harness,hmmmmmmmmmm,not there.This body was'nt even a fact tach car!!!!!


See Just69's ebay link,look at eng bay pic thru the rad support.

[DC_1]

I think i am going to arrange to go see it on the weekend. It has my curiosity now. He claims to have the fender tag, build sheet and date coded block and tranny. I don't know how he could think he would get away with passing it off as a true Hemi car with so many missing telltale signs yet go to the effort of scabbing in the body stamps to a doner XP body.

[DC_1]

The Ebay pics also show doors inside the car that are lacking Hemi emblem holes. I mean maybe the doors are from another car but appears the doors are most likely original to this non-hemi body.

[mikepmcs]

sickem syd! 

[Just 6T9 CHGR]

....and to take it a s

Well,while some of you smell something fishy about missing torque boxes and specific hemi braces,I'll add one more...........the option codes show the car having N85.Really,wheres the hole for it????Supposed to be right below the hole for the headlight vac harness,hmmmmmmmmmm,not there.This body was'nt even a fact tach car!!!!!


See Just69's ebay link,look at eng bay pic thru the rad support.

....and to take it a step further.....no holes in rocker panels for the supposed M25 Wide Sill Moldings either

[Mike DC]

            
Even if the body did have the Hemi torque boxes, what would that really prove?  That stuff is no secret and you can add it onto a car in one weekend for a few hundred bucks.  

IMHO the only way to really know a car's numbers match once it has been that far apart is to track the history.  See if the trail of owners and their stories all seem legit or not.    

[PocketThunder]

I'm sure I'm just misunderstanding you somehow but are you saying the Hemi and the SE package could not be had together in 1969?

Yup....Steve is on point!  Doing his homework.....wanna run a '69 Registry?

               Funniest comment i've read all week!       

[tan top]

I'm sure I'm just misunderstanding you somehow but are you saying the Hemi and the SE package could not be had together in 1969?

Yup....Steve is on point!  Doing his homework.....wanna run a '69 Registry?

             Funniest comment i've read all week!      

           

[Just 6T9 CHGR]

Who was joking? 

[tan top]

saw this on ebay  , i know not charger but !!

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Real-Documented-426-HEMI-Car-Rotisserie-Restoration-/260814098332?pt=US_Cars_Trucks&hash=item3cb9bb4f9c


no sign of HEMI only  body reinforcement parts !!  

[RIDELIKEHELL]

Well did you go and see it Syd?

[tan top]

  hmmm      

http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php?PHPSESSID=u8gft8slnc9jrrt8ec6qioke56&topic=105723.0

[Ghoste]

That other one is disassembled though, do you think its the same one?

[DC_1]

That other one is disassembled though, do you think its the same one?

I think he was just using those pics to show the reinforcement area. It's not a Charger

[Ghoste]

Ah okay gotcha.

[tan top]

 think the white Canadian hemi charger are one in the same car , just now  rear torque boxes have been added & sill moulding clip holes have been drilled  

one thing leading to another 
wonder how many 69 hemi chargers in white black top & stripe  with power discs  , passenger side mirror &   sill mouldings in Canada 

looks like these cars have similar options  .  cant quite make out dash color from cars in barns pictures 

http://mapleleafmopars.homestead.com/carsinbarns89.html

[charger_fan_4ever]

think the white Canadian hemi charger are one in the same car , just now  rear torque boxes have been added & sill moulding clip holes have been drilled  

one thing leading to another  
wonder how many 69 hemi chargers in white black top & stripe  with power discs  , passenger side mirror &   sill mouldings in Canada  

looks like these cars have similar options  .  cant quite make out dash color from cars in barns pictures  

http://mapleleafmopars.homestead.com/carsinbarns89.html

Ouff good spot tantop. That cars in barns car is sad to see.
Considering the ebay car previously had no torque boxes makes sense now after seeing the cars in barns pic. eiik
id be afraid the the body #'s are grafted onto this "hemi charger"
I'd be afraid if i was the seller tryin to pass it off as legit. Someone some day will come a knocking.

[maxwellwedge]

They sent you a listing of the codes on the fender tag but not the complete VIN ? If it is a real Hemicar, it would have a "J" code right after the XS29 such as a XS29J9B3213XX. I am also not sure you could get the A01 light package with the R/T as I thought that was part of the R/T package in 1969 and Charger R/T's were not coded for it.. Mine is not coded for the light package but it is there and, maybe it could be added and coded on the tag. I do have the buildsheet for it

Mine was assembled in Hamtramck, noted by the "B" coded in the VIN and I think all 1969 Hemicharger R/T's were made there. I am not positive about that, though.

The code "D32" in 1969 is the heavy duty 727 auto and not necessarily a column shift as mine is console shift and has "D32" coded on the fender tag and the buildsheet.

I still think this car was not and is not an original Hemicar.

Actually the "B" is in the S.O. #   Canadian car perhaps?

[Ghoste]

I'm wondering if the last six in this car might be 291585?

[DC_1]

They sent you a listing of the codes on the fender tag but not the complete VIN ? If it is a real Hemicar, it would have a "J" code right after the XS29 such as a XS29J9B3213XX. I am also not sure you could get the A01 light package with the R/T as I thought that was part of the R/T package in 1969 and Charger R/T's were not coded for it.. Mine is not coded for the light package but it is there and, maybe it could be added and coded on the tag. I do have the buildsheet for it

Mine was assembled in Hamtramck, noted by the "B" coded in the VIN and I think all 1969 Hemicharger R/T's were made there. I am not positive about that, though.

The code "D32" in 1969 is the heavy duty 727 auto and not necessarily a column shift as mine is console shift and has "D32" coded on the fender tag and the buildsheet.

I still think this car was not and is not an original Hemicar.

Actually the "B" is in the S.O. #   Canadian car perhaps?

My 68 is an original Canadian ordered car and the order number starts with an "A". I thought I remember it being said that the Canadian order forms that the dealers used here in Canada all started with a letter "A" or "B"


***edit:

See here

http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,60676.0.html

[tan top]

I'm wondering if the last six in this car might be 291585?

those are the numbers i'm seeing too  , I think  

[Ghoste]

I was going to pm you actually, you just saved me the doing so.