just recieved qoute for tremec from keisler

[cold85]

just got the qoute from keisler for new 5-speed clutch flywheel and hydrc clutch. it was all 4400.00 dollars. I know that they are great but i think i may keep my four speed and buy a supercharger instead.

[Blown70]

just got the qoute from keisler for new 5-speed clutch flywheel and hydrc clutch. it was all 4400.00 dollars. I know that they are great but i think i may keep my four speed and buy a supercharger instead.

SWEEEEEEEET another SUPERCHARER   

[Troy]

just got the qoute from keisler for new 5-speed clutch flywheel and hydrc clutch. it was all 4400.00 dollars. I know that they are great but i think i may keep my four speed and buy a supercharger instead.

Just imagine the cost if you were switching from an automatic. Have you looked into the 4-speed overdrive from Passon yet? Same case, same clutch, same mounts, same shifter, etc. as original but 3rd gear is 1:1 and 4th is overdrive (.80 I believe).

Troy

[BrianShaughnessy]

It'll probably cost more than that when you're done with it.    There's some leeway... like shipping your bell to them and them redrilling it or buying an aluminum one like I did or a lakewood and also you could take the hacksaw to your hurst handle and save the cost of the new shifter.   
The Passon will be a nice alternative for some people.   

Either way,  ask Ken how much he spent on his blower motor.   If your present motor is built the right way to add a blower to it, more power to you.         

[6pkrunner]

C'mon - you spend more than $4400 on wife and/or girlfriend over a year or so. But the real love of your life isn't worth $4400? Just to have a 4.10 or 3.91 rear and be able to get decent RPM and mileage on the highway is worth that - isn't it?
While I also dearly love a blower motor (nothing says snotty like a 6-71 or larger sticking up through the hood) you will be into the motor for over that amount. I know you know this and are saying thr $4400 is a down payment on the huffer.
I'd love to be able to use 3.91s on the highway again without cringing at the fuel bills.

[is_it_EVER_done?]

Just imagine the cost if you were switching from an automatic.

I just received mine and it came out to $5,152.00 with the $150.00 discount, and I had my own set of pedals. This was with all the offered upgrades, and a few others that I specified.

Though I had no reason to check on a Manuel to Manuel conversion, I doubt that it would cost much (if anything) less, due to bell housing modifications w/shipping, The great thing is that the Keisler will work with an automatic or 4-spd. console without modifications, can use a much stronger clutch and pressure plate than Manuel linkage, and comes with every conceivable part necessary (from drive shaft to pilot bearing).

Personally, I think it's one of the best bargains offered to the Mopar world. I can't even conceive of the time - effort - money that it would take to do it at the component level.

I did check into one of Jamie's transmissions, but for an auto to Manuel conversion (complete), it was only a few hundred less. If you were upgrading a 4-speed car, Jamie's set up would be MUCH, MUCH more cost efficient if you kept all the related stock components.

Since I drive my cars year round, and sometime long distances, the Keisler conversion is the best bargain around, plus their customer service (for me) has been second to none.

[Rolling_Thunder]

well the Darkhorse kit is Way less than that but it takes a little cutting and welding to get it in....    the only think i had to purchase for the kit was some nuts and bolts for the scattershield.....   everything else i had laying around and fabricated....     total cost was around $3500 -- thats for an auto to manual swap

[doctorpimp]

You do kinda shudder at the quote, when you first get it...
But, you do pay for quality and R&D etc; The end product is worth it.  The only complaints I've heard are to do with customer service, but I think Keisler has modernized it's customer care and improved.  The end product is worth the investment.

[cold85]

Well just ordered my trans from libert'y trans. in michigan. I paid 1700.00 and i can fab up the driveshaft and crossmember for less than 2000 dollars. All i have to do is drill a few holes for the trans to mount to my bell housing. or i could buy the lakewood.

[41husk]

C'mon - you spend more than $4400 on wife and/or girlfriend over a year or so. But the real love of your life isn't worth $4400? Just to have a 4.10 or 3.91 rear and be able to get decent RPM and mileage on the highway is worth that - isn't it?
While I also dearly love a blower motor (nothing says snotty like a 6-71 or larger sticking up through the hood) you will be into the motor for over that amount. I know you know this and are saying thr $4400 is a down payment on the huffer.
I'd love to be able to use 3.91s on the highway again without cringing at the fuel bills.

I like the way you think, If you diddn't live so far away I would have to buy you a beer!

[Rolling_Thunder]

Well just ordered my trans from libert'y trans. in michigan. I paid 1700.00 and i can fab up the driveshaft and crossmember for less than 2000 dollars. All i have to do is drill a few holes for the trans to mount to my bell housing. or i could buy the lakewood.

well the pattern is a stock GM bolt pattern...     my scattershield came with dual bolt patterns for both the Tremec and a regular 833...   

[SuBLimE 69]

I buy a Gear vendor long before the Keisler.  Heard some nightmares about the install, even read about a few on this board.

[Ghoste]

I was a bit of a Keisler skeptic not that long ago but I have to admit, 471Magnum put one in his car and I had a chance to look it over last summer and I came away pretty impressed.

[471_Magnum]

I buy a Gear vendor long before the Keisler.

Apples and oranges... especially if you're talking putting a GV behind a 727.

I'm sure the GV is an easier install, but it's not cheap either, and you can only get ~20% overdrive.

Keisler may oversell the ease of installation aspect and I think a lot of customers get in over their heads, but if you can swap a motor, you can install a Tremec.

That said, if you want and auto and an OD, the GV is [currently] the only way to go. If you like to shift your own, it's hard to beat the Keisler/Tremec when converting from an auto. If I already had a four speed car, I'd probably install the GV, but I'd be looking closely at the new Passon OD.

[Rolling_Thunder]

i dont understand the big deal about the Passon OD tranmission....   it is a stock OD 4-speed isnt it ?

[68ChargerJMP]

Factory 4 speeds werent O.D...The Passon is.

[Ghoste]

Basically.  It is an updated version so it's a little more rugged than the original Chrysler od unit and IIRC it has a different 1-2 split to make it a more efficient 3 speed for musclecar use.
I think the attraction is that it's a bolt in unit.

[Troy]

i dont understand the big deal about the Passon OD tranmission....   it is a stock OD 4-speed isnt it ?

No, not hardly. Here's a thread about it:
http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,4846.0.html

Factory 4 speeds werent O.D...The Passon is.

The factory did make a 4-speed OD that fits in our cars but it wasn't offered until later on in the 70s. Same case dimensions though.

Troy

[Ghoste]

And not real famous for their ability to withstand torque or last a long time even with normal use.

[Troy]

And not real famous for their ability to withstand torque or last a long time even with normal use.

Right, which is why Passon redesigned them to make them stronger and charges about 10X what a used original would cost.

Of course Chryco has run an OD behind a race car too so they have to handle at least a little abuse. One bonus of the stock mopar OD is the aluminum case which is a lot lighter than ours. The Passon units are all built on aluminum cases.

Troy

[Rolling_Thunder]

yeah - my boss and i have built many B/E body OD transmissions for customers....     swap gear sets with a regular 4-speed and bam...   OD for the masses....      now Passon does it and chages a left nut - so i mean people have done it for years - why the all of a sudden big deal ?   

[Silver R/T]

just got the qoute from keisler for new 5-speed clutch flywheel and hydrc clutch. it was all 4400.00 dollars. I know that they are great but i think i may keep my four speed and buy a supercharger instead.

thats not installed is it

[Ghoste]

yeah - my boss and i have built many B/E body OD transmissions for customers....     swap gear sets with a regular 4-speed and bam...   OD for the masses....      now Passon does it and chages a left nut - so i mean people have done it for years - why the all of a sudden big deal ?   

Because they advertise in national magazines.
Actually, I think they are using new cases too with some updates.

[Troy]

yeah - my boss and i have built many B/E body OD transmissions for customers.... swap gear sets with a regular 4-speed and bam... OD for the masses.... now Passon does it and chages a left nut - so i mean people have done it for years - why the all of a sudden big deal ?

Ok, did you read anything about it??? Try it. It is hardly a gear swap. Did yours have an 18 spline input shaft? I doubt it. That's one of the main differences. It doesn't take a whole lot to change a transmission (or gear sets) but it does actually take a lot of R&D to redesign the thing from the ground up. My problem is that I can blow up 8-10 regular transmissions for the cost of one of those things but it's still cheaper than a Keisler and it looks more "correct". If I didn't already have too many transmissions I'd consider it. At least do some research before knocking the product.

Troy

[694spdRT]

The factory OD gear is 0.69 and 1st is a low 3.09 so that is another difference. The gear spacing on the original OD looks like a compromise at best but, for the $200 I spent on the tranny it is worth a try.

For the record I have nearly as much in buying and rebuilding my standard 18 spline 4 speed as Passon charges for theirs and I bought the tranny almost 10 years ago.